Place your bets, people. You know they're going to try this again since it worked here and TSM's corporate motto is "keep cheating until you get caught, then find a new way to cheat". (It's a little long for a motto but...)
FlashNeko4 votesBecause the remake + extra fourth ban limited CLG's strategies in both drafting and the game itself, which gave TSM a massive advantage in those three games?
Not to mention the fact that this so-call "bug" (not unlike the Gragas "bug" at Worlds last year claimed by Fnatic when they were in danger of actually losing a game) has yet to be proven to actually exist so it seems massively suspect?
Given TSM's less than stellar relationship with truthfulness and fair play in the past, you'll forgive me if I don't immediately trust that what they did was on the up and up.
Dapper Hat4 votesOh so you believe that TSM just "made it up" and that Riot decided, in a playoff matchup looking directly at all competitors screens, that they made it up. RIot then gave the option for a remake for an issue that was non-existant for a bug that has been known about for the last three patches? This is your theory?
Treeofwar3 votesyou say this but in the game they beat them 3-0 so it shows that TSM was the better team in every match
WhiperSnapers3 votesits pretty hard to say that they cheated when it was an in game bug that gave the other team an advantage... then add to that the fact that after the 1st pause, TSM said they were fine with resuming the game as long as the bug didnt re-occur and have an impact on the game. They also didnt change a single thing in pick/bans and gave huhi the counterpick
Dapper Hat2 votesIt was CLG that was cheating not TSM. The bug is only replicated by swapping from free view to fixed view multiple times and results in aurelion sol's AOE stars staying static on the screen regardless of where he actually is on the map. Its like seeing Aurelion Sol stars in the mid lane brush thinking "oh ok, hes waiting for a gank" and then seeing him fighting in the top lane. To say that CheatLG didnt intentionally use this bug when it happened multiple times is a pretty lame argument.
Azmoran4 votes[{quoted}](name=Schrute Farm Fan,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=xFe3PUPI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-08-21T23:23:22.114+0000)
It was CLG that was cheating not TSM. The bug is only replicated by swapping from free view to fixed view multiple times and results in aurelion sol's AOE stars staying static on the screen regardless of where he actually is on the map. Its like seeing Aurelion Sol stars in the mid lane brush thinking "oh ok, hes waiting for a gank" and then seeing him fighting in the top lane. To say that CheatLG didnt intentionally use this bug when it happened multiple times is a pretty lame argument.
It's caused by Bjerg switching views. It was his client. All the TSM fanboys are spamming this lie that somehow Huhi magically messed with Berg and only Bergs client.
Dapper Hat3 votesIts a visual bug placed on the map by the AS player swapping camera views between fixed and non-fixed as said in multiple different threads.
FlashNeko2 votes[{quoted}](name=Schrute Farm Fan,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=xFe3PUPI,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-08-21T23:28:57.791+0000)
Its a visual bug placed on the map by the AS player swapping camera views between fixed and non-fixed as said in multiple different threads.
Serious questions here: If this was such a serious, wide-spread, well-known, and exploitable glitch as the TSM fans are claiming, why then:
A) 9/10ths of the community has never even heard of its existence before this very afternoon? B) Aurelion Sol was never disabled from the game at large at any point because of it?
I mean, look at how long Twisted Fate was taken off the table recently because of a glitch that wasn't anywhere near as disruptive to a match as this one would be if it was real.
I ain't even that big a CLG fan (my team's UOL... sigh) but I gotta say, something about this stinks to high heaven.
Dapper Hat2 votesWhere you even aware of what the TF bug was? If you bought Mikael's it would automatically cast it regardless of if it was on CD or not giving you the heal and cleanse everytime you cast your W. The reason the community has never heard of it is because AS isnt a popular champion. This "bug" doesn't affect 100% of players that play him like the TF bug did (again which is why he was disabled and saying a bug that gives you a 3 second CD Mikaels is the equivalent of the AS vision bug is utterly retarded). Lastly, this bug has been known about since his release. The biggest issue is that it has to be produced by a select action and in a vast majority of matches where people arent in a 5 man premade wont be able to exploit it to its full potential. What I find most appalling is how you dont have the ability or function to critically assess a situation that happens in a best of 5 match and compare it to something that was an actual game breaking bug. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onH0KJVm2mg Theres the TF bug that caused him being disabled. Saying that this bug and AS bug are the same is braindead at best.
FlashNeko2 votesOkay, look, there is seriously no need to curse me out because I'm being skeptical.
I apologize if I'm frustrating you with this but I'm frustrated too since I've seen TSM pull questionable behavior in the past and Riot look the other way because TSM is LoL's longest lasting Legacy Team and Riot doesn't want to rock that particular boat.
My intent was not to personally offend but just kind of snark since I tend to take a "fool me once..." approach to believing TSM about anything they claim anymore.
Angry Monster1 votesplease
Communist Toast1 votesTSM didn't claim a bug, they noticed one and Riot also noticed it, which is why Riot made the choice to give TSM a remake. which they accepted.
I don't like either team but I can clearly see that if TSM was blowing smoke out of their behind then Riot wouldn't have given them the remake
dakm1021 votesNow. OP, I feel you man. I find the removal of Aurellion BS as well. But, there is something I will say. I want you to bring up these examples of shady behavior and explain what makes each and every one of them shady or riot approved. I also want to bring up the fact that BJERGSEN WAS FINE WITH IT THE FIRST TIME. Its not like he was like "oh look there is a bug here remake this". He gave it a chance to be fixed. I also consider this version of TSM a lot more trustworthy than its Reginald days and just great guys in general. I am no TSM fan and I wanted CLG to win really badly, but saying it was intentional from TSM is just dumb to suggest even. The fact as well is that while the thing with Aurellion is bullshit you cant deny that TSM was playing well around it in the early game. Could it be better late game than taliyah? yes. is HuHi more comfortable on it? yes. But is it TSM intentionally doing this? hell no.
FlashNeko1 votesNow. OP, I feel you man. I find the removal of Aurellion BS as well. But, there is something I will say. I want you to bring up these examples of shady behavior and explain what makes each and every one of them shady or riot approved.
I think I mentioned one of these before in another similar thread but one of the more memorable incidents came back in Season 2's World Championship where the match between them and Azubu Frost was discovered to have both teams getting caught screen looking (Riot hadn't quite gotten the arena format down right yet) so they had to redo the whole thing on top of the other technical issues that plagued that event.
The funny part was that while Azubu had the book thrown at them after the tournament, TSM barely even rated a finger wagging over it. So it certainly had the stink of favoritism behind it.
Also, there's the fact that both Bjergsen and Lust Boy had REALLY bad visa issues when they were first brought over, of the sort that ripped Team Dragon Knights apart and plagued Echo Fox early on in this Season. However, unlike those teams, TSM was just given a "well, get the paperwork in whenever" by Riot and the two were allowed to continue playing like nothing had happened, which technically was against the stated rules and had an air of heavy double standard to it.
This second point also made Reginald blowing the whistle on other players in similar situations on other teams both intensely hypocritical and kind of scummy as you wonder how he acquired that information in the first place.
There's more but those three incidents are the ones that stick out in my immediate memory the most.