It's Hard To Reconcile J4's Character Now

FlashNeko·Sep 11, 2019·50 votes·20,390 views

It's weird to see the guy who, in the still standing lore, was warm and accepting to people who otherwise would have been ostracized by Demacia (most noteibly an outside/slave, a "low class" citizen, and a freakin' half-dragon) act like a genocidal bigot willing to approve the murder of small children because they have even the slightest potential of magical ability.

I could buy him being horrifically merciless to anyone who willingly followed Sylas since they'd already cast their lot. But he also seemed like more the type who would try to reform the situation at home to make sure another Sylas was never created since he seemed to understand circumstance of birth did not mean a person was not due basic decency.

Lux #5 just kinda feels like "Well, we decided Demacia is irredeemably evil now" so he's just making the policies of his ancestors even worse.

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TheMan292Sep 11, 201927 votes

well, they DID kill his dad and many innocents just now.

the truth is that with Demacia's culture, it would be a HORRIBLE idea not to crackdown on mages when something like the rebellion happened. could you imagine the uproar?

J4 is not being a bigot, he is reacting both like a human being and as someone trying to keep the country stable (the comic even makes it a point its Sylas' fault this is happening)

Gear5LuffySep 11, 20192 votes

Same thoughts here it would show down the road maybe that he becomes more gentle or something but after all that his reaction is completely normal King Jarvan the 4th

EliFrostSep 12, 20194 votes

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well, they DID kill his dad and many innocents just now.

the truth is that with Demacia's culture, it would be a HORRIBLE idea not to crackdown on mages when something like the rebellion happened. could you imagine the uproar?

J4 is not being a bigot, he is reacting both like a human being and as someone trying to keep the country stable (the comic even makes it a point its Sylas' fault this is happening)

Sylas and his gang didn't kill J3. He was dead before they arrived.

TheMan292Sep 12, 20197 votes

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Sylas and his gang didn't kill J3. He was dead before they arrived.

yeah, but when a mage rebellion happens and THEN the king dies, the fastest assumption one will make (especially when said king is your dad) is that the mages did it.

Pika FoxSep 12, 20192 votes

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well, they DID kill his dad and many innocents just now.

the truth is that with Demacia's culture, it would be a HORRIBLE idea not to crackdown on mages when something like the rebellion happened. could you imagine the uproar?

J4 is not being a bigot, he is reacting both like a human being and as someone trying to keep the country stable (the comic even makes it a point its Sylas' fault this is happening)

That.... Still makes him a bigot? You can try to hide it behind false reason and excuses.... Doesnt change what it is.

TheMan292Sep 13, 20194 votes

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That.... Still makes him a bigot? You can try to hide it behind false reason and excuses.... Doesnt change what it is.

these are not false reasons and excuses that I am giving out. Jarvan's reaction is COMPLETELY logical.

let's see here. was it all peaceful in the perfect country of Demacia one day, Jarvan having a nice cup of tea and then suddenly BLAM he walks in on his dead father and blames Mages? no. it was not like that at all.

instead, we have a character who was raised in a culture that was weary of mages from the start. we have Sylas coming out of nowhere with a lot of lackeys killing soldiers and even civilians as collateral damage, and THEN we have his dad die.

Jarvan was blindsided and saw the very worst of what mages could do at a time should've been peaceful. he saw his DAD die, the very one who was gonna free them from oppression, during the rebellion. and now you expect him to instantly think "I'm gonna free then anyway"? it would be not only unrealistic of a reaction, but very destabilizing to the political climate (and would make violence seem like a good way to get what you want)

this is a grey area. it's important to remember also this is not like when Egypt enslaved hebrews and when basically all of the globe enslaved Africans. Mages and magic really is INCREDIBLY dangerous

Pika FoxSep 13, 20192 votes

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these are not false reasons and excuses that I am giving out. Jarvan's reaction is COMPLETELY logical.

let's see here. was it all peaceful in the perfect country of Demacia one day, Jarvan having a nice cup of tea and then suddenly BLAM he walks in on his dead father and blames Mages? no. it was not like that at all.

instead, we have a character who was raised in a culture that was weary of mages from the start. we have Sylas coming out of nowhere with a lot of lackeys killing soldiers and even civilians as collateral damage, and THEN we have his dad die.

Jarvan was blindsided and saw the very worst of what mages could do at a time should've been peaceful. he saw his DAD die, the very one who was gonna free them from oppression, during the rebellion. and now you expect him to instantly think "I'm gonna free then anyway"? it would be not only unrealistic of a reaction, but very destabilizing to the political climate (and would make violence seem like a good way to get what you want)

this is a grey area. it's important to remember also this is not like when Egypt enslaved hebrews and when basically all of the globe enslaved Africans. Mages and magic really is INCREDIBLY dangerous

Hes. Still. A. Fucking. Bigot.

Doesnt matter what his reason is, he still is. No, its not a logical response, its an emotional response. Emotion is, by definition, not logical.

You dont get an "i hate mages and am directly creating legislation to fuck them" pass just cuz a mage killed daddy. Youre a leader of a country, you dont get to have emotions. You dont get to be upset someone assassinated your father. You have a duty to all those within your country, and all those without. Including the mages.

TheMan292Sep 13, 20194 votes

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Hes. Still. A. Fucking. Bigot.

Doesnt matter what his reason is, he still is. No, its not a logical response, its an emotional response. Emotion is, by definition, not logical.

You dont get an "i hate mages and am directly creating legislation to fuck them" pass just cuz a mage killed daddy. Youre a leader of a country, you dont get to have emotions. You dont get to be upset someone assassinated your father. You have a duty to all those within your country, and all those without. Including the mages.

he's not allowed to have emotion? that is NOT how being a ruler works. in an ideal world, yes it does, but this is a world where things are more complicated.

when I say logical, I mean it simply makes sense how he is reacting. you act as if his father was assassinated at a time when nothing was happening. IF that was the case, I'd agree with you. but the truth is Sylas made mages seem more than responsible (and were OPENLY PLANNING to do it anyway).

and while I disagree with him targeting EVERY mage, Jarvan is ABSOLUTELY correct to be suspicious of mages since they could be with sylas (associate with a terrorist will likely make you one too).

oh, and a mages did not just "kill daddy". they killed soldiers, nobles, and even citizens as collateral damage. stop ignoring that

TalvarenSep 13, 20191 votes

Lord all the mighty the debate is real here.

Pika FoxSep 13, 20191 votes

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he's not allowed to have emotion? that is NOT how being a ruler works. in an ideal world, yes it does, but this is a world where things are more complicated.

when I say logical, I mean it simply makes sense how he is reacting. you act as if his father was assassinated at a time when nothing was happening. IF that was the case, I'd agree with you. but the truth is Sylas made mages seem more than responsible (and were OPENLY PLANNING to do it anyway).

and while I disagree with him targeting EVERY mage, Jarvan is ABSOLUTELY correct to be suspicious of mages since they could be with sylas (associate with a terrorist will likely make you one too).

oh, and a mages did not just "kill daddy". they killed soldiers, nobles, and even citizens as collateral damage. stop ignoring that

Except this entire thing should backfire in his face, as these policies only HELP sylas. Seriously, in every sense of the word jarvan is acting like a bigoted moron.

Indiscriminate targetting of all mages will just make them flock to sylas. Viewing them as "any of them could be with him" will literally make them all be with him because there is no alternative.

The real world equivalant is how the US keeps fucking up literally every single "war on terror" we go into. Once you continually target innocent civilians then theyll just join the group you originally wanted gone.

TheMan292Sep 13, 20192 votes

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Except this entire thing should backfire in his face, as these policies only HELP sylas. Seriously, in every sense of the word jarvan is acting like a bigoted moron.

Indiscriminate targetting of all mages will just make them flock to sylas. Viewing them as "any of them could be with him" will literally make them all be with him because there is no alternative.

The real world equivalant is how the US keeps fucking up literally every single "war on terror" we go into. Once you continually target innocent civilians then theyll just join the group you originally wanted gone.

and if Jarvan took absolutely no action the whole country would be pissed off.

stop acting like ONLY his dad was killed. and the actions he is taking, while wrong since the extent is so big, only makes it MORE difficult for sylas. it makes him have an easier time spreading his message, but harder actually recruiting people since they are all going to get arrested

(and then there is the fact it does not take a genius to know this is sylas' fault. the comic literally have a family of mages discussing it, showing it wont be so easy to recruit

Pika FoxSep 13, 20191 votes

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and if Jarvan took absolutely no action the whole country would be pissed off.

stop acting like ONLY his dad was killed. and the actions he is taking, while wrong since the extent is so big, only makes it MORE difficult for sylas. it makes him have an easier time spreading his message, but harder actually recruiting people since they are all going to get arrested

(and then there is the fact it does not take a genius to know this is sylas' fault. the comic literally have a family of mages discussing it, showing it wont be so easy to recruit

Thats not how terrorism works. Sylas is a terrorist. The decree and injunction against all mages will only strengthen sylas, as he is the only option mages have. There are LITERAL real world examples of this, many of which are still occurring today.

Mages have no choice but to become radicalized because the only other option is unjust persecution.

TheMan292Sep 13, 20191 votes

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Thats not how terrorism works. Sylas is a terrorist. The decree and injunction against all mages will only strengthen sylas, as he is the only option mages have. There are LITERAL real world examples of this, many of which are still occurring today.

Mages have no choice but to become radicalized because the only other option is unjust persecution.

I agree, I literally stated what jarvan is doing targeting EVERY SINGLE MAGE is making sylas' more appealing.

but what Sylas did has also scared the normal mages into not even wanting to be with him. mages can escape to a new place OTHER than sylas.

and YOU are the one being emotional. you claim Jarvan is just a flat out bigot despite the circumstances and acting like this flaw of his is just an irredeemable evil.

Pika FoxSep 13, 20191 votes

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I agree, I literally stated what jarvan is doing targeting EVERY SINGLE MAGE is making sylas' more appealing.

but what Sylas did has also scared the normal mages into not even wanting to be with him. mages can escape to a new place OTHER than sylas.

and YOU are the one being emotional. you claim Jarvan is just a flat out bigot despite the circumstances and acting like this flaw of his is just an irredeemable evil.

Circumstances are irrelevant. Again, you dont get a pass because youre pissy a mage killed daddy. Hes still a bigot.

And the reality of the situation is that they will flock, in droves, to sylas. It doesnt matter if he is right or wrong, once the demacians start rounding up their families theyll have no choice. Again, this is plainly clear and evident in real life actions and examples.

TheMan292Sep 13, 20191 votes

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Circumstances are irrelevant. Again, you dont get a pass because youre pissy a mage killed daddy. Hes still a bigot.

And the reality of the situation is that they will flock, in droves, to sylas. It doesnt matter if he is right or wrong, once the demacians start rounding up their families theyll have no choice. Again, this is plainly clear and evident in real life actions and examples.

once you state circumstances are irrelevant, this whole argument is pointless.

you keep ignoring these mages killed civilians, nobles, and soldiers. you keep ignoring the danger these mages represent.

what jarvan did in taking as many mages as possible is wrong. but the act of being suspicious toward mages is RIGHT.

and I have already agreed that Sylas will have an easier time. but that only depends on how effective the seekers are at getting mages locked up. you also forget lux will effect the recruitment of mages

Pika FoxSep 14, 20191 votes

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once you state circumstances are irrelevant, this whole argument is pointless.

you keep ignoring these mages killed civilians, nobles, and soldiers. you keep ignoring the danger these mages represent.

what jarvan did in taking as many mages as possible is wrong. but the act of being suspicious toward mages is RIGHT.

and I have already agreed that Sylas will have an easier time. but that only depends on how effective the seekers are at getting mages locked up. you also forget lux will effect the recruitment of mages

Replace mages with jewish, polish, black, white, asian, irish etc and youll see why it doesnt matter.

AckelopeSep 14, 20191 votes

the problem with that comparison is that it doesn't really line up, since the ability to use magic is a much more noticeable and fundamental difference between people than a skin color or a background.

Pika FoxSep 14, 20191 votes

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the problem with that comparison is that it doesn't really line up, since the ability to use magic is a much more noticeable and fundamental difference between people than a skin color or a background.

Not really.

AckelopeSep 14, 20191 votes

I won't deny that there are some similarities, and I'm sure those similarities exist because they're trying to evoke similar feelings, but I do think that the fact that mages in the world of Runeterra do definitively have some kind of power that transcends what other people can do, the concern in Demacia can sort of seem more justified, even if the actual actions that they end up taking are really not the best way of handling the situation at all.

Also, the reason I find them so different is that the whole reason racism is so unfounded and unforgivable is the simple fact that there is really no difference other than appearance and some cultural beliefs/systems between people of different races and backgrounds, so the bigotry and stereotypes raised towards them because of that difference in appearance is extremely superficial and petty. Being afraid of and wanting to keep people that are actually capable of doing something beyond and different to what any human normally can seems more reasonable, but like I said earlier, the way Demacia takes more of a criminal and prosecuting approach to the issue ends up being ineffective and just breeds further conflict. The entire root of this discussion chain lies in the fact that Demacians aren't really the same level of bigoted as a racist, because their concerns could conceivably hold some actual basis in logic, but they end up coming to poor conclusions nonetheless.

TheMan292Sep 14, 20191 votes

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Replace mages with jewish, polish, black, white, asian, irish etc and youll see why it doesnt matter.

those guys can use magic? wow I never knew.

poor comparison. mages really do have otherworldly power that they themselves can command.

Pika FoxSep 14, 20191 votes

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those guys can use magic? wow I never knew.

poor comparison. mages really do have otherworldly power that they themselves can command.

Youve never taken a history course have you? The witch trials were witch trials for a reason. There are people in this world that think advanced weaponry is magic to this day.

TheMan292Sep 14, 20191 votes

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Youve never taken a history course have you? The witch trials were witch trials for a reason. There are people in this world that think advanced weaponry is magic to this day.

I have taken history, I actually have some sizable knowledge in it.

I also remember in history that none of the witches had magical powers. mages in League of legends, on the other hand, do.

strengthen your argument. especially if you are going to say petty insults

mrmeddymanSep 13, 20193 votes

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That.... Still makes him a bigot? You can try to hide it behind false reason and excuses.... Doesnt change what it is.

Bigots are humans too. I don't know why we can't be open minded with characters that have unlikeable traits. Like when Qiyana comes out and everyone is like "ugh she's so full of herself" completely missing the point that now this character has an arc and could potentially go on a journey and maybe change at the least. And even if not at least they're different, some kind of unique identifier to them instead of some Mary Sue,/ White Knight Paladin perfect paladin.

Kaisa These are the uninteresting champs not new J4 and Qiyana because they aren't so shallow. J4 will obviously eventually come around in the story. Lets just give Riot time to explore this avenue of the character.

TheMan292Sep 13, 20191 votes

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Bigots are humans too. I don't know why we can't be open minded with characters that have unlikeable traits. Like when Qiyana comes out and everyone is like "ugh she's so full of herself" completely missing the point that now this character has an arc and could potentially go on a journey and maybe change at the least. And even if not at least they're different, some kind of unique identifier to them instead of some Mary Sue,/ White Knight Paladin perfect paladin.

These are the uninteresting champs not new J4 and Qiyana because they aren't so shallow. J4 will obviously eventually come around in the story. Lets just give Riot time to explore this avenue of the character.

and I agree with this. I dont get why we can love characters that are serial killers and such, yet someone with discriminatory views (views that unlike real life have actual points) is unforgivable

Pika FoxSep 13, 20191 votes

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Bigots are humans too. I don't know why we can't be open minded with characters that have unlikeable traits. Like when Qiyana comes out and everyone is like "ugh she's so full of herself" completely missing the point that now this character has an arc and could potentially go on a journey and maybe change at the least. And even if not at least they're different, some kind of unique identifier to them instead of some Mary Sue,/ White Knight Paladin perfect paladin.

These are the uninteresting champs not new J4 and Qiyana because they aren't so shallow. J4 will obviously eventually come around in the story. Lets just give Riot time to explore this avenue of the character.

Ok? Dont know what that has to do with anything ive stated.

mrmeddymanSep 13, 20191 votes

It's. Not. Necessarily. A. Bad. Thing.

You. Don't. Have. To. Agree. With. A. Character. For. It. To. Be. A. Good. Character.

Pika FoxSep 13, 20191 votes

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It's. Not. Necessarily. A. Bad. Thing.

You. Don't. Have. To. Agree. With. A. Character. For. It. To. Be. A. Good. Character.

Cool. Again, irrelevant to my statements. My statement was in response to some nonsense that jarvan wasnt a bigot because of some stupid reaction. Thats not how that works.

HyperTechnoSep 12, 20191 votes

Yet, he has faced far worse than Sylas, the death of his father, and people. He knows what is at stake in battle, he is a well-trained soldier, who has seen death by the plenty, and a Dragon. He is a successful general, signalling of competence, logic, and strong strategist.

Him then magically becoming a bigot is rather odd, since Syvanna saved him, the dragon, a creature that can only be described as magic. He would be going against Syvanna, a magical creature that saved him. This has nothing to do with him being "human", if we follow his lore and his personality, he would understand the hatred, but want to resolve it as peaceful as he can, without destroying his home. The only mages he would kill would be mages like Sylas, but even that would stetting the bar too high, he would try to stop him, but not kill him. He knows Sylas is a Demacian, and may even understand why he fights because he is Demacian. Sylas must be fighting for justice in Jarvans mind.

The comic goes against his virtues and ideals. He is a lot smarter, kinder, chiller, and logical that this comic makes him out to be. Not to mention he sound awful a lot like an ENFJ, which can give a better idea of who he may be.

TheMan292Sep 13, 20192 votes

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Yet, he has faced far worse than Sylas, the death of his father, and people. He knows what is at stake in battle, he is a well-trained soldier, who has seen death by the plenty, and a Dragon. He is a successful general, signalling of competence, logic, and strong strategist.

Him then magically becoming a bigot is rather odd, since Syvanna saved him, the dragon, a creature that can only be described as magic. He would be going against Syvanna, a magical creature that saved him. This has nothing to do with him being "human", if we follow his lore and his personality, he would understand the hatred, but want to resolve it as peaceful as he can, without destroying his home. The only mages he would kill would be mages like Sylas, but even that would stetting the bar too high, he would try to stop him, but not kill him. He knows Sylas is a Demacian, and may even understand why he fights because he is Demacian. Sylas must be fighting for justice in Jarvans mind.

The comic goes against his virtues and ideals. He is a lot smarter, kinder, chiller, and logical that this comic makes him out to be. Not to mention he sound awful a lot like an ENFJ, which can give a better idea of who he may be.

it's important to separate the human being Jarvan from the idea of Jarvan. Having your citizens and father killed by a sudden attack by mages in a culture already afraid of them takes its toll to even the most noble.

of course, it's also important to know we may just disagree on the character of Jarvan

HalfTangibleSep 11, 201917 votes

Jarvan is angry, upset, and emotionally unstable for what I hope are obvious reasons at the moment. He also has a full-fledged insurrection on his hands perpetuated by a charismatic anarchist who in his eyes responded to loosening restrictions with attempted murder and public humiliation.

It also seems (to me anyway) that the Mageseekers killed the previous king to keep their power (see Aftermath) and used the mage rebellion as a cover-up to simultaneously increase their own power. This is something that Jarvan probably sees, and is planning to play along for the moment if only to keep Demacia stable.

Also, I'll note that while both are wrong, locking up kids indefinitely is not the same thing as butchering them in the streets.

IfnethSep 11, 20195 votes

Also remember that J4, for all his nicety, remains an autocrat. He, his upbringing, and the government around him are designed to exercise absolute power.

RyzeTheSmurfMageSep 11, 201912 votes

Demacia has a big flaw yes. Does that make it overall iremediably evil? No. Jarvan's father just got murdered presumably by one of the mages that joined Sylas as far as we know. Demacians already didn't like magic in the slightest. Mageseekers have a LOT of power in ruling Demacia, and Jarvan is trying to keep the country together rn to combat the rebellion. Suddenly freeing all mages would cause even more confusion and de-organisation and even more civil war in the Demacian society. Plus rn it's Jarvan's only big flaw, and I'd say it's a very realistic well done one at that. Also he isnt butchering kids. Not saying imprisoning them is right but its not as bad as killing them (looking at you Anakin Skywalker)

InvexesSep 11, 20196 votes

I'm just waiting for the JarvanIV X Shyvana redemption arc now.

Radiant WukongSep 12, 20196 votes

Jarvey Dent?

GreenLoreSep 11, 20194 votes

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act like a genocidal bigot willing to approve the murder of small children because they have even the slightest potential of magical ability.

Uhm who says that they are killing them? The way it looked in the comic they are capturing the mages for now.(granted who knows what they'll do with them)

JaspersSep 11, 20191 votes

Isn't that the issue? Gathering up, and putting where? In camps? Just locked up? Or maybe 'Circles' to steal Dragon Age's idea where they are controlled? The latter might be progress instead of hiding in fear, they are controlled, can practice their magic safely so they aren't a danger and taught instead, to get them on Demacia's side but the former 2 would as the OP said "just create another Sylas".

What we need is aftermath story telling. Xin's story didn't give that.

GreenLoreSep 11, 20192 votes

I'm not saying that it isn't an issue, I'm merely pointing out that the opener is exaggerating.

Just because I don't agree with Jarvans actions doesn't mean that I'm ok with others spreading misinformation about him.

DalekZecSep 11, 20194 votes

At least the Jarvan X Shyvana is canon now.

Although I'm guessing Jarvan will go back to his senses, he'd eventually get back to reason because it would be awkward to kill magical beings while his freaken girlfriend is a magical being too.

Anyway, what surprised me more is when Garen discovered that Lux is a mage...and...he just embraced her. For years I've thought he'd disown her or something.

Romans VI XXIIISep 12, 20195 votes

That's cause Garen is the embodiment of JUSTICE, and there was no justice in imprisoning lux

EliFrostSep 12, 20193 votes

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At least the Jarvan X Shyvana is canon now.

Although I'm guessing Jarvan will go back to his senses, he'd eventually get back to reason because it would be awkward to kill magical beings while his freaken girlfriend is a magical being too.

Anyway, what surprised me more is when Garen discovered that Lux is a mage...and...he just embraced her. For years I've thought he'd disown her or something.

His stories implied he'd kill her. I'm surprised too.

Yordle GunnerSep 12, 20194 votes

Jarvan is acting exactly how the masses react to shootings, Take away the weapons. But in this case the weapons are the people. And frankly Sylas proved him right. Mages are dangerous. They need to be regulated some way. Just like a gun.

EliFrostSep 12, 20193 votes

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Jarvan is acting exactly how the masses react to shootings, Take away the weapons. But in this case the weapons are the people. And frankly Sylas proved him right. Mages are dangerous. They need to be regulated some way. Just like a gun.

Demacia's darkness is what created Sylas. This is all their fault.

SpecterVonBarenSep 12, 20191 votes

It's a viscous circle.

AckelopeSep 14, 20191 votes

it certainly is difficult to get out of once you've immersed yourself in it, in that sense I suppose viscous isn't the worst word for the job.

Yordle GunnerSep 13, 20191 votes

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Demacia's darkness is what created Sylas. This is all their fault.

In HIS case, yes. Although he could choose at this point to be better. But what about everyone else? The fact is there WILL be criminals and psychos. And if they have magical nukes in their hands... Demacia did all of this in the wake of a massive war right? It's understandable, but they didn't bring it back. They didn't have compassion for the mages. They should be Regulated, yes, imprisoned, not without cause. But regardless, racism and distrust would be rampant.

EliFrostSep 17, 20191 votes

He could choose to be better? After being chained alone in the dark and eating mostly rats for 15 years he could just "choose to be better"? This dude's mind is twisted by hatred, vengeance, and loneliness and he's most likely batshit by this point.

If Noxus and Ionia can build societies after the Rune Wars accepting of and even centered around mages, Demacia can too. Hell, Demacia was in part founded by and then protected by magical beings for what was probably centuries. Yet Demacia feels the need to indiscriminately imprison and murder mages for the sole reason of being born one. Except, of course, when they are rich and powerful.

The Stripy BagSep 11, 20193 votes

Welp f#@k this place I'm going to either Noxus or Ionia hell maybe even Targon now because f#@k you Demacia and your lawful stupid self fulfilling prophecies.

hewhodoesnotcareSep 12, 20192 votes

Jarven is doing what the nazi did to the jews just saying. Gathering up ppl not doing anything yet then suddenly find out millions were murdered.

Kendren1Sep 11, 20191 votes

Im not rly following the story but awhile back there was alot of shit about how Leblanc had most likely infiltrated Demacia disguised as J4, and he'd been kidnapped. Maybe thats why?

GreenLoreSep 11, 20193 votes

That was long before the retcon and the story arc that was connected to this theory was completely scrapped. Besides we saw Jarvan holding his own against Xin Zhao in a spear fight in a story that would happen during this time, so he is definitely not leblanc, as she wouldn't have been able to recreate that.