NA predictions/Standings with Each player stats II

III BAKURYU III ·May 28, 2017·2 votes·446 views

#5. Phoenix One ZIG 2.1 2.6 6.6 272 INORI 3.2 3.0 6.3 183 RYU 4.0 2.2 5.7 319 ARROW 4.5 1.8 5.7 302 SHADY 0.7 3.3 8.6 24 This team will live or die with Arrow the problem with botlane this go around is I'm not sure about Shady " Slim shady" who will be Arrow's support in which I'm not even sure if he will even be on the team for the full split so it's a "shady" assumption...... Apart from that Ryu is a decent mid who does good enough, Arrow will be fine if not rekt the rest of NA with the newest buff to ADCs however we yet another support at the helm I doubt he will have another MVP split this go around.
Zig is good but isn't top tier, he has the right mindset of working with the team and helping but barely getting around 2.0 kills per game needs to change if he's going to be in the mix of top tier players or even in the mix for his role.
I also felt like this team were lucky last split with Meteos coming in and winning like 5 out of 6 game series to pull P1 into the playoff mix and top 3.
This is P1's objective focus last year 87 Dragons 38 Barons 289 Towers total 35 Dragons 17 Barons 142 Towers with Meteos 19 Games 52 Dragons 21 Barons 147 Towers with Inori 22 Games Inori was also up by close to +30 Kills, 20 less deaths and over 1K CS compared to Meteos and P1 still had a hard time last split in the standings with an impressive roster( Ryu/Arrow/Metoes/Inori/Adrian) which means 1 thing, communication. The team has talent and skill and were top 5 in almost every objective focus among dragons/barons/towers per game, now the team had a split to gel and it's time to see what P1 can actually do.

#4. Flyquest BALLS 2.0 2.5 6.4 281 MOON 2.9 3.1 5.9 155 HAI 3.9 2.9 5.3 302 WILDTURTLE 3.6 2.1 5.3 311 LEMONATION 0.8 2.7 8.4 34
Last year felt like CLG back in 2013 but instead of "protect the Doublelift" it was " protect the Shotcaller, best player, the kill leader, the game changer, the leader" etc etc. FQ lived and died with Hai and the team were complete garbage whenever he didn't get much help in which in the long run he didn't. Altec was and always have been a ok player but nothing more, but now with the newest member Wildturtle we can actually see an ADC that isn't scared to make a play happen. Which brings me to Wildturtle, while I don't think he will lead the NA LCS with Kills like he did with Immortals back in 2016, but I do see him coming out of his shell and providing the much needed offense for Flyquest. So while Turtle may not be better than D-Lift or Sneaky, don't be an idiot in thinking he isn't a top tier player at his position and with Turtle playing with his old teammates I only see good things for Flyquest.

#3. Team Solomid HAUNTZER 3.4 2.5 7.2 302 SVENSKEREN 3.1 2.9 7.1 161 BJERGSEN 4.4 2.4 6.9 317 DOUBLELIFT 4.5 2.5 6.1 309 BIOFROST 0.7 2.8 10.4 31 2016 Spring Wildturtle was having an incredible split with Immortals while D-Lift joins TSM and was having an meh split same with TSM overall. " We want Turtle". 2016 Summer TSM/D-Lift had their best split yet and failed at Worlds. 2017 Spring Split with Turtle and TSM gets destroyed at MSI " We want D-Lift" Lol, no matter who plays on this team the team overall will be decent in NA but on the international level this team will still get destroyed and yet fans still just can't seem to understand that, going on 8 years and it's still a shook to them.
Anyone thinking this will be the same TSM from 2016 Summer will be sadly mistaken cause that TSM put full effort in making it " Top 4" at Worlds and couldn't even make it out of groups, they spent a year as a team, they didn't stream but scrim instead and all that hardwork was for 6 games and eliminated. That split TSM lost 1 game series and like 9 or so games, that won't happen again for TSM this go around.
Bjergsen and the team will play 2nd fiddle to D-Lift like TSM always does, and when the team loses people and fans can get to blame Turtle or D-lift when the team SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON BJERGSEN and the fans with most of the criticism. Seriously what happened to the 2013/14 Bjergsen when he would just destroy opponents cause this Bjergsen since joining TSM 2014-2017 while still good hasn't really been as impressive as he can/should be especially on the International stage. Well it goes hand in hand with the pick ban and Bjergsen's method to let someone else Shotcall, someone else carry, someone else get the glory but when it crashes down and/or when the team loses he gets 0 blame.
I honestly hope TSM doesn't win because I'm so tired of TSM vs C9 in every finals with TSM beating C9 for the last like 6 meetings against them, as well as TSM are huge disasters waiting to happen.

2. Counter Logic Gaming

DARSHAN 2.9 3.0 6.2 278
DARDOCH 3.4 3.4 7.1 175 HUHI 4.0 3.3 5.6 301 STIXXAY 4.6 2.9 5.2 321 APHROMOO 0.6 3.7 9.0 29 Xmithie for Dardoch was the right thing for both IMT and CLG, but CLG will have the pressure to win games now with Dardoch being on the team. Do I think CLG can make Dardoch a less rage player - YES. Do I think CLG will win NA- NO. This team will be under the microscope with the ganks from Dardoch involving Mid with Huhi. While Huhi has improved over the splits he's still not very good when it comes to actually winning his lane, cs, kills etc and if 1-2 bad plays happen I see Dardoch possibly getting upset with Huhi, and Huhi is honestly a very impressionable player, meaning he doesn't necessary "cries" but I do see him getting upset when another player gives him a hard time that's why Aphromoo is pretty much his BF because Aphromoo knows all too well with pressure from another player(D-Lift) can be a burden. So the leadership and peacemaker will start and end with Aphromoo to make this team work in the long run.

#1. Cloud 9 IMPACT 2.3 2.3 7.4 300 CONTRACTZ 3.2 2.4 7.0 167 JENSEN 4.8 2.1 5.9 334 SNEAKY 4.0 1.9 5.7 314 SMOOTHIE 0.9 2.0 9.0 29 No more excuses for Cloud 9 now, this team has had time to gel and they've been a top tier team(1-2) for so many splits now that they need to win and prove to everyone that when it comes to NA at least 1 team can make us proud. Every player on C9 are either #1 or #2 in their respective positions and they still can't win against TSM, they can give them a run for their money but still can't win.
Jensen has lost 3 straight playoff match-ups ( 2 Finals) to TSM while Sneaky has lost 5 straight playoff encounters with TSM( 4 Finals) 3 against Wildturtle and 2 against D-Lift. Again, C9 gave them a run for TSM's money but if C9 wants people " C9 Could have, C9 could have" well WIN NA FIRST.
3 things that I'm going to look at this split.

Contractz - Last split he pretty much gave C9 like a 3-4 kill lead in the first 10 mins with his great plays but will he do that again this split?
Jensen - He pretty much has been very cocky and most times than not has been smacked down on more than once.
Sneaky - When push comes to shove and the meta becomes aggressive for bot lane I think Sneaky tends to fall off some, while still being good and top tier he tends to fall behind the team not just for position but also being able to carry games without his team doing 80% of the work when he's the ADC.

No more memes, no more jokes for once/split it's time to make NA Great again........... Great for ONCE!

Cloud 9 15-3
Counter Logic Gaming 13-5
Team Solomid 12-6
Flyquest 11-7
Phoenix One 9-9
Dignitas 9-9
Team Liquid 8-10
Immortals 6-12
Team Envyus 5-13
Echo Fox 4-14

Thank you

4 Comments

Miror BMay 29, 20172 votes

Yeah, I disagree with both of these ideas while also slightly enjoy the fact that bakuryu is hopping aboard my "echo fox jaguars anti-hype train". Will seperate my points to make this easier to read, as at the time I'm incredibly tired.

For starters, TSM 3rd and CLG in the top 4? Really? While both made decent roster moves, the idea that TSM is at the very least not guaranteed the #2 spot now is baffling, as if MSI/the finals showed us anything it's that TSM's Top/Jungle look mediocre in comparison to Impact/Contractz/worlds-calibur talent. The fact you guys are both rating CLG so highly also kinda baffles me a bit, as although Dardoch is good you "kinda" have to think that the situation he's going into is basically the same (mid-tier toplaner, mid-tier/more "supportey" midlaner, and a pretty mid-tier botlane that goes off roughly once every 7 games). Even if Dardoch has a MVP-calibur season, the ceiling on the rest of the players around him kinda make me think this team is destined for a 6th place finish into a potential rebuild year, with the idea that they'd keep aphromoo/possibly DD (if he doesn't tilt off the face of the earth) and just go on from there.

P1 also being rated so lowly from you guys is also a bit worrying, as A) they finished third last split and B) Their roster didn't drastically change while the rest of NA didn't improve by much. Unless NA happens to suffer from some sort of butterfly-effect thing (in which a minimal change results in an african rhino dying, which then results in another team massively improving), then I sorta expect them to finish #3 and probably make it to worlds the same way H2K did when they had ryu.

Ale's "tier list" idea is also close, but slightly off. Assuming C9/TSM are in one by themselves, we'll essentially have the standings play out like this:

1-2: C9/TSM (about 85% favored toward C9 winning) 3-5: FQ/P1/DIG (I can see dignitas being called a "dark horse" team by the casters, as Cop will finally be with them for a full split) 6-8: TL/CLG/IMT (if we're looking at strength of overall teams, I'd rank CLG and IMT about equal right now, while TL will probably make a late run on the back of the almighty Kwon "unlocking" reignover/piglet) 9-10: NV and the Jacksonville Echo Fox-guars (NV picked up pirean and Nisqy but will still heavily rely on Lira to carry games for them, while Echo Fox is/has always been a pretty bland team that would have assuredly finished 10th last split had Akaadian not carried like 12 games for them)

III BAKURYU III May 29, 20171 votes

Team Solomid TSM with D-Lift is an improvement over Turtle no question, while keeping the same team from that 2016 Summer Split that did so well pretty much #1 in every objective. However, it felt too easy at times during that span. CLG were garbage because of the "supportish" meta that became the Summer Split. C9 with Meteos back in the lineup(which I don't think it was his fault that C9 lost to TSM) and IMT were pretty much chokers. It was too easy, now fast forward to present day. TSM won't go 17-1 again, they won't be the same objective focused team in which yeah, they were like #1 or #2 this split which maybe they will be but not record wise.

Hauntzer and D-Lift / Who will step down ? Will it be the guy that is now the 1st/2nd shotcaller or is it going to be D-Lift? Let's face it; it will most likely be Hauntzer, which leaves the question will D-Lift be the same player that he was back in 2016 my answer is NO. He just looks shaky.
It will require this team some time again before TSM becomes that TSM from 2016 Summer; similar to 2016 Spring TSM. 2015 Summer was the "carry" ADC meta and D-Lift was AMAZING that split and so were CLG they won NA etc but looking at the talent back then it was pretty bad, now every team has talent or at least big names.

                             Counter Logic Gaming

I said CLG needed to make upgrades from Darshan/Xmithie like in week 2 last split and I got burned at the stake with that assumption now people look at 2017 Spring and go " yeah" CLG will be a top tier team now because of The "Carry" meta fits Stixxay; IDK why people talk shit or not give this guy credit whenever it's pretty much Stixxay on the offense and Darshan/Xmithie/Huhi being 100% passive, warding players.
Now with Dardoch it brings actual offense that is much needed to this team and will get Darshan ahead when Xmithie when he did, got Darshan ahead, camped, gave $ etc.
CLG were like #1 in Kills last year when the meta was this "supportish" style of meta and when Darshan fell off a mountain The Ring style, Xmithie has never been a carry player but more so a warding, Aphromoo pretty much caught Darshan from the mountain because he too fell off like weeks before Darshan did.

                                             Meta

TSM when it comes to "carry" bot lane TSM struggles, they struggled back in 2014 when they were like 3rd in the standings but were like 18-10 or something and they struggled back in 2015 with the same Jinx/Tristana etc meta when they were like 6th in the standings, history may repeat itself here.

                                  Phoenix One

P1 Great talents across the board, with the exception of Slim Shady. I think he will get subbed out and that will mess the gel of the team, but that's speculation from me. You also have to look at what Meteos did for the team, coming in and winning 4-5 game series for that team, and if not they might have not even made it to Playoffs or even been 6th instead of 3rd.
We've also seen what some of these imported players wanting to leave or get homesick etc and Ryu and Arrow might not even practice as much or play solo Q similar to say Rush and how he stopped playing.

                             Dignitas

Cop may be a decent coach/IDK how to "judge" a coach, is it picks bans ? What? Overall he seems like he knows what he is doing but too much " cop" kinda just means play 40+ mins of doing nothing and acting scared like Cop when he played. Xpecail and Keane played with Cop on Curse/Gravity so maybe they can help Ssumday and Chaser but overall DIG will most likely play those hr long games and potentially lose in the late game teamfight because C9, TSM, CLG, FQ all have better late game teamfighting mechanics than DIG does.

                            Echo Fox 
"echo fox jaguars anti-hype train"

Sexy meme!

" slightly enjoy the fact that bakuryu is hopping aboard " I'v never thought of EF as being good, maybe fun to watch because of who's at the helm/ Froggen and he tends to stall games out to the 90th min mark but I'v never said they were ever going to be good.
The most I ever said was " EF are the Willy Coyotes of NA" they have a decent idea of what to do but whenever it came to actually pulling the string or lighting the dynamite it backfires. lol

To be fair about EF and my posts I may have done in the past, possibly placing them higher than 10th or so, but later would change it after getting some feedback from the community mainly from you. Those are the benefits of placing my predictions and getting feedback.

Sorry for the long post as I know you're tired, night/ laters and Happy Memorial Day!

Ale non è maleMay 28, 20171 votes

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C9 2. CLG 3. TSM 4. FQ 5. P1 6. DIG 7. TL 8. IMT 9. NV 10. EF

Thank you

TSM 3rd? No, just no. TSM is top 2 at worst, CLG still has Huhi as midlaner, no way they can get away with such a weakness when top 2 teams will get better next split (TSM will improve because Double > Turtle in NA competition, C9 will improve because Contractz has a full split of experienze under his belt

I see IMT being on the rise with Cody Sun having a split of LCS experience under his belt and the costantly improving bot lane synergy they showed at the end of Spring Split, in addition to having Xmithie which has lower peaks than Dardoch but that can satbilize a bit IMT performance with his consistency, P1 regressing some because I don't see where they can improve, TL and CLG being question marks, and the other staying around the same level