Former World Champion/SSW player Looper on Echo Fox!

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I wasn't making any Hard predictions more of just analyzing the teams is all but I understand where you are coming from which is smart on your part.

The Challenger scene should have been upgraded and tweaked a while back but better late than never, as well as when something does happen it's easier to criticize so I tip my hat to Riot for doing that.

I don't understand the C9 situation. I understand the sister team situation but not the C9 Challenger. Can't the C9 Challenger team just change their name?

Rito prevents two teams from being owned by the same "group/person" (like if me or myself and a group of people owned one team, we couldn't have any form of ownership whether it be minority or majority stake in another team). Unless the C9 owner chooses to gift Hai the spot plus like $4m for upkeep costs, they're basically forced to sell.

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lov the sounds of 10 teams etc, i just hope they keep the relegation/promotion thing in place, it makes for more interesting leagues and matchs etc etc.

on the screaming note, while i understand think it just harms your chances, whats done is done, let riot deal with it and keep scrimming, not screaming a player like looper is potentially harming your team, i don't rate him as the best of the best but he is damned good.

The problem I (and many of the teams) have is that rito did deal with it, but didn't exactly "punish" them and more so warn them, similar to the fnatic/g2 thing from a while ago. Scrimming is essentially an "optional" thing that teams don't legally have to do with eachother, if they don't want to scrim with echo fox as punishment I say let'm. If anything, it gives echo fox a reason to try harder to avoid being another massive NA embarassment (which considering dignitas is back in the LCS, would be rather ironic).

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Wow! Honestly I only put the whole "Froggen needs X team blah blah blah " to be nice to any Froggen followers so they don't bash me but your " He's essentially the LCS equivalent of that guy you see in solo Q who plays farm-only characters, never roams" EXACTLY!
I thought I was the only person who saw Froggen for what he really is; good player but does nothing but farms. I mean I don't remember the last time he even roamed or done anything to help his team. He really is the solo Q mid who just stays mid and asks for blue 24/7.
And people wonder why he hasn't won anything in over 2+ years.

Yeah, I personally don't get why people use the whole "if he had a team built around him, he'd do really well" excuse on him, especially since he's been in the league longer than pretty much everyone, faker included. If you look at the core/root point of that excuse, it actually kinda applies to everyone making the whole thing rather funny. "Hey guys, I'm bronze 5 but I can still win worlds. Just build a team consisting of faker/bengi/Huni/Pray and we definitely have a shot" On the whole topic of froggen being "good", I think we can call that into question. He's been in the league longer than 90% of the LCS playerbase and hasn't been on a team that's finished higher than 5th in the regular season. Compare that to other players, and he's more on par with the likes of kiwikid than players like Hai/xpeke.