C9 got outclassed, nothing else to say

Making it to the knockout stage in worlds is not garbo. I'd like to see you make it to worlds. Period.

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I'm really getting tired of Smoothie playing Nami/Karma especially when the team has no tanks or peel.

Nami is a good counter to Karma though, and proven to be effective in game 2 after the disaster of game 1 with Ali where they couldn't finish an ambush kill on bot tribush They got a basically standard tank pick in G1 and got punished, pull out a good counter pick in G2 and sticked to another standard "safe" pick in G3 that was takern really early in the draft and countered later on by SSG, nothing too terrible from a draft point of view

Uhm.... C9 was forced to pick Nami/Karma to win or at least stay even in lane.

Look at Game 1 where they had a melee support - they got absolutely smashed and there was no coming back.

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I don't really see the reason why you'd say that, I mean NA always gets outclassed by koreans, I'm just happy NA walked out of worlds beating EU and WildCard teams (Except ANX)

Let me help bring you back to reality. if h2k win then Europe will finish way ahead of NA. As they usually do. We didn't beat Europe actually best case scenario is if h2k loses and that means we tied Europe. But I don't see h2k losing. Anyway...na is usually about a hair above a wildcard region but this time we can't even say that as we tied a WC if h2k wins and lost to and WC if h2k loses.

In both case, IWC or EU will finish above NA.

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Weren't you the one that said the west got a favorable draw because SSG was the third seed? Do we not see yet why seeding doesn't equal strength?

Yes, I stand by that. Out of rox, skt, and SSG, the third seat SSG was the best. They could have pulled H2k but very unlikely since hat was decided so quickly

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None of the zac ganks worked and he left his carries to hang from not being able to peel, on top of the carries being stupid and over extend however

DUDE, did you even watch the game? Meteos was by far the best performer and the one to keep them alive in the game (and he was the one that was dealing the most damage in fights in most of them), when bot lane coldn't use their small early game advantage and got outplayed hard by the Kench, Impact was dicked by Cuvee, and Jensen while doing decently missed a lot of ulti and din't really trouble Crown

Heck, even from a sheer mechanically point of view I remember just 1 or 2 relevant mechanical mistakes in the entire match, and they didn't even cost much since they didn't happen in crucial teamifghts while other C9 members made much worse mistakes , ike Impact purposedly going to trade with the recalling Poppy in the bot lane river brush, which caused later Cuvee to stop a crucial tp that Impact was doing and would turn around an important fight happening in top lane

Meteos's Zac was the best C9 thing in game 3, to say anything different is just some sort of bias

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I dont get the zac pick then trying to gank OLAF in the last game. Ori terribly missed most of her ults too. Very little CC vs a monstrous front line and peel in the last game. Going towards a comfort pick shows how weak C9 really is when they dont actually prepare a comp to deal with the enemy team or even make a decent team comp to begin with, each picking some champ for themselves then whatever-YOLO-teamfight

LOL Zac pick was literally the best thing about C9 in the last game And not only because of execution, but because of the pick itself. It was something that finally didn't try to chase/copy Korean, and impose a their own style on a champ that Meteos could master at his best, rather than going for a 100% surely losing performance on Rek'Sai that is picked merely for reliablity. And also, it rounded up a decent teamfiight comp with Ori-Cait-Karma which had the only champ not aligned in Rumble (which coincidentally had one of the worst performances in game)

if anything, the problem of Western teams is that they should have their players have multiple niche Zac-like picks to catch the Asians off guards, alongside the usual mastery of meta picks

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Na got outclassed, not just C9......

C9 got outclassed

NA, specifically TSM got DEMOLISHEDDDDD