TSM new Roster (Maybe)

GhostOfTsushima·Nov 17, 2017·1 votes·1,956 views

SO if they do only keep Hauntzer and Bjergsen ofc

and kick Sven (Jungler) out for Mike Yeung, Looks like a good Switch...

Kicking DL out for Svens, I mean I guess but why Svens? If it true that Rekkles did tryout for TSM, they shud of just take him so he can Partner with Biofrost.

And if it also true that TSM is going for G2 bot lane, they're using all import slot for no reason.

The only good reason TSM kicking DL out is because hes a hard international choker, he even said it himself in the LoL Esport vid rofl

Overall, TSM definitely need a new jungler

ADC, for sure too, DL will never stop choking

22 Comments

ChompyWulfNov 17, 20173 votes

I'll be the first to say it....

If Bjergsen can't or won't apply his skill and create pressure, they may as well consider changing him out too. While Bjergsen has been a consistent and skilled player, he is one of the team carries. If the carry won't apply pressure and build leads, they aren't doing their job. Bjerg is as guilty of this as DLift, perhaps doubly so because he could have been the shot caller but refuses to do it. While sitting and waiting for long death timers and a team fight win has worked in NA, clearly they are just playing to not lose. If not willing to try to win, just step aside.

MysterQNov 18, 20172 votes

Oh for sure, at worlds I think DL was better than Bjerg. People will disagree, but AT LEAST DL was trying to win. Bjerg was just trying to not embarrass himself.

ChompyWulfNov 18, 20173 votes

The problem is DLift was trying to force plays and be aggressive when in the hyper carry Ardent meta he should have hung back and been a protected cannon. Bjerg should have been the one riding the razors edge and trying to force plays, not the ADC.

I would say both did poorly. lift is getting a lot of the blame, but it's time Bjerg shoulders some of it too. The time for giving him passes and blaming the rest of his team are gone.

III BAKURYU III Nov 18, 20171 votes

5/5

MrHaZeYoNov 17, 20171 votes

If they get a new JG and G2 bot lane, they would be way scarier.

GhostOfTsushimaNov 17, 20171 votes

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If they get a new JG and G2 bot lane, they would be way scarier.

G2 bot lane is just over rated, they're not even that good is what I'm saying

Like if I have to be honest, TSM can still have DL and Biofrost as their bot lane, and can beat G2 bot lane

DL just choke super hard on big international tournament

Miror BNov 17, 20171 votes

Yeah, no. G2's botlane has not only been far more consistent both regionally and internationally (often hard-carrying games while perkz and their rotating toplane takes a nap), but they also have a massive amount of chemistry that has allowed them to do their thing on and with a variety of different teams/teamcomps. While I doubt TSM will be able to acquire them (as I'm under the impression they may try something like rallez/aphromoo or rallez/smoothie), they'd still be a far massive upgrade over TSM's botlanes and wouldn't carry the same giant ego.

Also, there are a few rumors floating around that TSM is thinking of trying out NACS toplaner solo and former Dig jungler Shrimp. Will keep people updated as this unfolds.

Ale non è maleNov 18, 20171 votes

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Also, there are a few rumors floating around that TSM is thinking of trying out NACS toplaner solo and former Dig jungler Shrimp. Will keep people updated as this unfolds.

Rumors were TSM would try to get MikeYeung since P1 didn't make the cut for franchised lCS

It would be strange for them to get Shrimp when, kicking Sven, they would have not one but two international spots available and they are pretty much set at top/mid, if Shrimp rumors are true (and I haven't listened them before) he would likely be used for the Academy team

Miror BNov 18, 20171 votes

MikeYeung is also another one that's been floating around, as he should get offers from any team not named C9 due to how valuable he is. While shrimp seems like an academy jungler, he surprisingly fixes a lot of TSM's problems (namely their lack of aggression early and "wanting" to play to lanes with the enemy jungler neutralized). Import slots are going to make things interesting though, as if they do get Mike then they could use one on top and nab one of C9's (as apparently they're trying out Licorice and are only wanting to sign ray/impact as "last resorts").

MrHaZeYoNov 18, 20171 votes

They're going to match Impacts offers giving him the option of where he goes.

If Impact doesn't depart or they find a different import Top laner, Lic will be the academy top laner.

Ale non è maleNov 18, 20171 votes

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They're going to match Impacts offers giving him the option of where he goes.

If Impact doesn't depart or they find a different import Top laner, Lic will be the academy top laner.

I honestly don't think that TSM would go for someone like Impact, if they really want to replace Hauntzer for an international top they would try to go in on some of the biggest Koran names (Smeb? Khan?), since Impact is only a slight improvement over Hauntzer at this point and it doesn't allow them to get another import if they feel they need one

MrHaZeYoNov 18, 20171 votes

I don't think TSM will go for Impact,

Impact will: A) Return to C9 B) Retire C) Take a offer in Korea

As you said, TSM prolly wouldn't go for Impact over a different Imported Korean, I believe Hauntz will remain TSM.

I doubt Impact would want to play on a different NA team, none of them are going to have 3 strong Domestic Players that I don't think he would leave the structure he's already apart of in what should be a top 3 NA team for a question mark at this point in the twilight of his career. I could see him go home to Korea or Retire though.

Ale non è maleNov 19, 20171 votes

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I don't think TSM will go for Impact,

Impact will: A) Return to C9 B) Retire C) Take a offer in Korea

As you said, TSM prolly wouldn't go for Impact over a different Imported Korean, I believe Hauntz will remain TSM.

I doubt Impact would want to play on a different NA team, none of them are going to have 3 strong Domestic Players that I don't think he would leave the structure he's already apart of in what should be a top 3 NA team for a question mark at this point in the twilight of his career. I could see him go home to Korea or Retire though.

To be honest I think Impact should be a priority target for some of the new franchised teams that are entering now in NA LCS. Impact is a veteran, he is still one of the top laners in NA, speaks well English so he can help a team to integrate some other Korean import, and unless Riot change residency rules again, he is considered a NA resident in 2019, so he can allow a team to get another import next season (either a rookie that do not speaks English to they put in Academy team this season or someone to import directly in 2019).

It just does not make sense for TSM to go for him thoguh, as Hauntzer is one of the best NA resident top laners and he is younger than Impact so in the long term should be better

MrHaZeYoNov 19, 20171 votes

Thing is why would he want to leave a team he is already integrated into with a good support cast around him in the twilight of his career? I just don't see him trying to leave when C9 is going to match whatever offer to go to a unknown NA team when he sits on a top 3 team that will more then likely make it back to worlds.

Ale non è maleNov 19, 20171 votes

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Thing is why would he want to leave a team he is already integrated into with a good support cast around him in the twilight of his career? I just don't see him trying to leave when C9 is going to match whatever offer to go to a unknown NA team when he sits on a top 3 team that will more then likely make it back to worlds.

It depends all on the project these new teams are offering him, though. It is not like C9 has a lot of room for improvement, only Contractz was a rookie last season, and Sneaky and the same Impact could decline at any point now that they have been on the scene for so long. They lucked out two years in a row at Worlds to get to the quarters as the worst team qualified, and it is not like C9 has many options to replace their current roster with better players given the NA player pool available. On C9 Impact live basically split by split at this point (if Ray showed improvement throughout the year C9 would have likely dropped Impact this off-season); a new team with a long term project centered around him as veteran and future NA resident player could be appealing and stimulant to him

MrHaZeYoNov 20, 20171 votes

Thing is, C9 doesn't need a mass improvement to contend in NA. Had Ray not been there last year they would of all out been a better team as Impact would of gotten more scrim and play time.

Contractz improving would be leaps and bounds better for C9 and Impact getting 100% of the time would also be the same. Smoothie is still getting better, having veteran leadership (Impact/Sneaky) would be better then letting him walk, specially when he's one of the biggest voices on the team.

Impact isn't living split to split, he's in charge of his own destiny. We say Ray play because Impact wanted to retire last spring. He's not going to want to go to a team that is a long term project, I've said this a few times, he's in the twilight in his career, he planned on retiring last year, I'd imagine if he doesn't retire this year, that he will next year. This is more then likely his last rodeo, why go to a unknown?

Lets say he does go to a unknown team, they still have to get 3 domestic players that are equal or better then Con, Sneaky, and Smoothie. Something easier said then done. Then we look at Reapered as coach who is Impact's friend and one of the major reasons Impact has remained in NA thus long. Impact already has synergy with C9, I doubt he'll want to ruin that in what may be his last run.

He'll be C9, Retire, or Move back to Korea, but I guess we'll see.

Ale non è maleNov 20, 20171 votes

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Thing is, C9 doesn't need a mass improvement to contend in NA.

You are missing a KEY aspect, though. From C9 point of view, they can't improve in mid-long term by changing anyone on roster except Impact himself or Sneaky, since Jensen is among the best imports that they can realistically afford and likely the best performer in the team last season, Contractz is the NA resident rookie upon which they are relyng on ti improve, and Smoothie is a serviceable NA resident player which is still likely entering his prime, and there are not much if any NA resident option that would be a radical improvement over him.

Sneaky is also the current face of the franchise since he is the only player of the original LCS C9 line-up still in the team, while Impact has shown the least desire to keep playing between the two, so it is actually easier to plan to replace Impact than Sneaky.

That's why Impact and C9 are in a touch spot right now, they are planning split by split at this point

He'll be C9, Retire, or Move back to Korea, but I guess we'll see.

My opinion is that Impact will stay with C9 next split/year by the way, but I remain convinced that he would be an ideal target for one of the newly franchised teams that are entering in NA LCS, and that a long term project would be more appealing than just money is someone else in NA try to get Impact

MrHaZeYoNov 21, 20171 votes

Apparently I was wrong and he'll be going to TL.

But I think you missed my point. Why would He want to go to a project team when he prolly won't play beyond this year?

Saying C9 can't get better with the same team is honestly wrong, had Impact played the whole year then ya sure but he didn't, more time equals more synergy.

Ale non è maleNov 21, 20171 votes

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Apparently I was wrong and he'll be going to TL.

But I think you missed my point. Why would He want to go to a project team when he prolly won't play beyond this year?

Saying C9 can't get better with the same team is honestly wrong, had Impact played the whole year then ya sure but he didn't, more time equals more synergy.

He prolly won't play beyond this year because he probably has no further thing to achieve in C9 environment/NA, aside from making further money. The point is that a project centered around him as veteran, captain and face of the franchise transition could have been the effect to ignite his passion and lead him to play multiple years in the future

Nah, Contractz improvement was really the only room for improvement to C), assuming the other players all keep the same level and do not degrade in performance, as he played more than enough time last season to get the synergy with the other guys in the roster as Impact still played the majority of the games for an entire year. Synergy can't get much better at this point given they play together for a year now

Virgin RayNov 18, 20171 votes

tarzaned is not the person to trust for leaks

III BAKURYU III Nov 18, 20171 votes

Haven't seen enough of Mike to think he's top tier A+ level but with TSM/and their International performances I doubt it really matters anyway.

Going to also say and agree with Chompy/MysterQ with their Bjergsen argument, if Bjergsen won't play aggressive and actually try to do anything/something, I don't see any roster rotations being a factor in the long run.

Zven/Mithy or D-Lift/BioFrost - Going to have to lean on Zven/Mithy. While both G2(Zven/Mithy) and TSM(D-Lift/Bio) have chocked on the International stage the G2 botlane have been a strong part for G2. Let's put it like this, Zven/Mithy have accomplished more as a duo than D-Lift/Bio have/will ever do. The only duo that have accomplished more than them was the Sneaky/Lemon back in the day and possibly running with Sneaky/Smoothie currently.

Let's say the import argument isn't a factor(mainly because IDK if Bjergsen is now a citizen of NA and the same thing for Svenskeren). Hauntzer, Svenskeren, Bjergsen, Zven, Mithy - Would be the roster that I would go with personally.

xJLx MCHammerNov 19, 20171 votes

They need MikeYeung for jungle if they will kick Sven. Personally, I think they perform about the same, but Sven is much more experienced. Sure, his world's run was bad but it's hard to fault the jungler when the mid lane Ryze was not using his ultimate to follow the Galio, Malz, or any other mid lane when they roam. The TSM laners (outside of haunt in one or two games) were playing farming simulators with late game champions and getting beat with little jungle intervention

So with that said

Replace Doublelift! He is a tilt card. Even in a meta that was for ADC, he played so bad and couldn't even play on his average level. His performance whenever he needs to step up is always bad. Sure, he excel when his opponents are bad but never when his opponent is better.

Get either Sven or Rekkles. They are clearly play on international level without becoming complete garbage level.