Do you think BJerg should join a new team after worlds?
He has potential but not sure where or what team he would go to....
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I think he will be gone for sure. He wants to win a championship and I think he now realizes it won't happen at TSM.
Bjergsen is an overrated player.
enuff said
I honestly think that Bjergsen is the PROBLEM on TSM. He has managed to burn through three different junglers, who were all successful before they played with him. He often heavily farms their jungle and quite often forces them to stay close to his lane. (TheOddOne, Amazing, and Santorin)
TheOddOne was one of the best junglers of his generation, but her retired very shortly after Bjergsen started playing. Amazing had done well on his prior team and has done well since with Origen, but looked like trash when paired with Bjergsen. And now Santorin, who looked absolutely stunning in the Challenger Series on Coast, looks like crap playing with TSM.
Honestly, Bjergsen may be a fantastic player, but he doesn't bring the people around him up. He brings them down. From everything TSM has said about how they are coach, that is even true at a coaching level. Dyrus is constantly on tanky or supportive top laners and Wildturtle has been told not to do ANYTHING aggressive at all. The entire situation on TSM is dictated by Bjergsen, and that situation is bringing basically everyone down.
TSM will be a different team after Worlds because Dyrus is likely gone, and Santorin/Turtle are uncertain (santorin could be kicked cause of his performance, Turtle could just choose to retire), so Bjerg doesn't need to change org
I posted this on reddit but I think its relevant:
And this game proves why TSM will never be successful. You cant compete at a top tier level with a single carry. If Bjerg doesn't carry his team every game it's over. Bjerg is without a doubt the best Azir player in the world. The way he manhandled Nagne was embarrassing. He predicted and sidestepped the ult and made playing against one of the best mid laners in the world look like childs play. If I didnt know any better I'd assume Nagne was a random Bronze player after seeing that.
If TSM doesnt rise to Bjergs level of play or develop a multi threat comp its over. Teams like Koo and SKT have multiple people that can single handedly carry them out of a losing situation. Having Bjerg is not enough at this level.
All of tsm sucks but bjerg and lustboy, even lustboy has been lookin kinda bad lately.
i think he should finally change team, TSM should stop a second and rebuild (a bit like fnatic).
First of all I have no idea why they put all the responsabilty on this guy. Seriously it looks like Bjerg and company not TSM. Now you have this amazing dude who is super good at midlane with assassins and not only those, why would you put all the responsabily of the shot calling on him, that's just hinders his game in my opinion.
They could have much more divided shot calling, Santorin and Dyrus could shot call, Lustboy could do it. WHy in the holy hell do they have to say Hey we just do what you say, so dont fuck up. What kind of reseoning is that.
I get that you want to have 1 big shot caller, but first of all i don't think that Bjerg is a good shot caller, and second as i said it kinda distract him from his game.
Overall i find the managment of TSM stupid, and i hope that Bjerg will go away from that team
I don't think bjerg is a god like people seem to think, but I do think certain aspects of his team are holding him back.
tough question, it seems like he's froggen v2. I said this multiple times. Great mechanics, and invidivudally in the lane ( still gets beaten by the real midlaners ) but nontheless.
The problem is both these players i mentioned do nothing in the game but teamfight. Macro way theres nothing he does. Now TSM has alot of flaws, which i can write a wall of text about but im not sure if bjergsen joins a new team he'd be any good. It's just .. NA midlaners are easy and the macro over there is insnaely slow.. He's a horrible macro player.
Bjerg is really good by himself and his Korean solo que is so much fun to watch but tsm doesnt have the same synergy that other teams have. They did earn their spot at worlds but I think they shouldn't be competing at all.
Yes I think bjerg is better than the other people on his team and he should be trying to find a spot somewhere else, but tsm as a team are not as good as the competition.
I agree with pretty much everything people have said in this post. TSM needs to restructure. The coaching staff should be replaced. Get rid of Santorin and find a more aggressive ganking jungler that can actually help their teammates instead of power jungling on these junglers that should have early ganking presence. Dyrus is retiring anyway so find a top laner with a deep champion pool. Take Bjergsen off of shot calling. As i've watched worlds I've noticed that mid laners are rarely the main shot caller and that's probably a good thing. It's usually left up to jungle, support, or top to be shot callers. I think they should even get rid of Lustboy. It's been a long time since he's been on the same page as the rest of the team from a communication perspective. If Bjergsen is to stay I think they should just pull a Fnatic and get rid of everyone but him and find players that can actually synergize with eachother and a coaching staff that can actually support the players instead of just being a "pal" to them. That would be the only way in my opinion that Bjergsen would/should stay with TSM.
why do you even care? hed be just as shit on any other team.
he needs to go tdk
I heard SKT needs a back-up mid laner in case Faker needs to return to Korean Asgard to do his god-related business.
TSM needs fixing but they have the money fame for it. Get rid of turlte, santorin, and dyrus(not that I don't like him or think him unskilled).
Bjerg needs to be on a team where he doesn't do shot calling. Don't think he really wants to do it and feels kind of forced into the role. He needs space to just focus on mid lane and let someone else do it.
I voted he should leave, but I would prefer TSM be re-worked. On an individual basis 1v1 Bjerg is one of the best midaners in the world, even other players and casters say that, some say he is the best in the world, but that is in a 1v1 scenario. Not in a 5v5. He doesn't have the team to support his talent. Dyrus is great but its obvious he has given up and is ready to retire. Santorin doesn't gank like he should and has some of the worst, if not the worst dps of those at worlds. I feel like Lustboy and Wild Turtle could do well and have in the past, but Lustboy really choked today.
The team needs new coaches FOR SURE. Reginald just does not know how to lead the team. I watch all of their "Legends" videos and you can tell he just struggles to motivate them and give good solid advice. He just isn't built to be a leader, no offense to him though, sometimes you just have to know what kind of personality traits you have, and he just doesn't have a leadership trait. The rest of the coaching staff seems to just do what Reginald wants, because Reginald is the money behind the machine. They need to hire a real coach who can give valuable input. Reggie can still have his say (think like a GM in baseball) but it should be spoken through somebody who is a leader. They also desperately need a sports counselor. Maybe they already have one, but with the emotional distress these guys have to go through (living with your team 24/7) it's a bit shocking that their morale as a whole seems to be always at a low. Every video of them, they have no real positivity or hope, its just so fake. You can tell they all think they are going to lose. They need somebody that they can talk to about the stress of the game and can offer them positive thoughts.
Reginald just seems to give them negative feedback all of the time, I never see anyone giving them constructive criticism. Bjerg is great and I do think the team as a whole (minus Dyrus since he is retiring) could do really well together. They just need a coaching staff who supports them and doesn't treat them like their buddies. There are just so many issues with this team, and it sucks because they are my favorite team. I really like every person on the team in their own way, I just think that if TSM doesn't make some major coaching and team member changes, Bjerg should move on to somewhere else. He deserves better.
He hasn't even played great
Dyrus was never the same without Oddone basically babysitting him every game.
Sant hasn't shown up when it counts for a long time, christ I'd almost say bring soddone back, at least he had a selection of tank junglers.
I think the problem is where to go. Maybe he could go back to EU and find a team he'd fit well on. Even then I can't think of anything that makes sense though: H2K has ryu and isn't capped for imports if they wanted a new JG so unless Ryu has communication issues due to language that doesn't make sense, POE is a solid mid lane and has been w/ UOL for a while so I doubt they'd change, I don't think Bjerg is an upgrade over Xpeke (especially w/ the experience and I'd bet leadership that Xpeke brings to his team), I can't see Bjerg going to a team that just qualified for LCS and he's def not better than Febiven, MAYBE gambit would work as a spot?
Same issue in NA. Incarnation is really stepping up, and I think lemon said he's retiring, so they are looking at possibly replacing up to 3 spots and don't want to add a 4th (lemon retiring, hai already tried, and balls isn't losing games for them, but he has been getting beat hard in lane so it would at least be something to consider, probably bring in a top laner as substitute and have balls compete for starting role), what ever impulse ends up being I don't think they would really benefit from trading either impact or rush out for Bjerg and they can't add an import w/out dropping one I don't think, and I don't see him going to coast, T8, gravity, or Dig. TL maybe if he improved communication over Fenix, but I don't know that that makes sense either.
He probably would like to move but there isn't anywhere to move really. Maybe CLG considers him over Pobelter, but I think if they take 1st in groups they don't mess w/ that synergy.
It's hard for me to tell. I doubt Bjergsen wants to leave TSM. He has a good history with the team and they have had some good accomplishments this year. I think, however, TSM will not be nearly as competitive next year. Losing Dyrus is a big blow, regardless of how poor his performance has been lately.
I think Bjergsen will stay, at least for a year. But I don't see TSM running NA like they did (and this year wasn't even a given that TSM would be in the finals.
Switch him to Fnatic, and just go duo mid with Febiven.
Who needs a jungle?
No because he's not as good as you fanboys keep claiming he is. He's great but he's not Faker, you can't put all your resources into one laner and expect it to work forever.
So if tsm leaves then what will the other 4 players be called?
He needs a good jungler though to watch his back.