No one carried anyone.

Anastaecia·Oct 15, 2017·6 votes·874 views

Are all these posts by TSM crybabies or something? Four enter, two come out. That's it. Nothing else to see here. Same in the other 3 groups. To compare 2nd place records...there was only 1 team with 4 wins. Misfits had 3 just like C9. NOw you can argue that C9 got lucky that there wasn't another 3-win team in the end, like in Group D, but that's a result of the group as a whole ending up with 5,3,2,2 wins. SKT was only 1/4 of that equation.

In general, there are only 12 wins to be had. Chances are, the Group winners will go 5-1 (with a nice 6-0 by Longzhu). That means the other 3 teams are fighting over 7 wins in the hope for 4, but prob 3 to advance (with a possible playoff). There's not a whole lot of lee way. If you get 2nd, you earned it struggling for those few wins.

23 Comments

Kal Vas FlamOct 15, 20173 votes

How can SKT carry C9? Even if you count SKT’s win against EDG as a win for C9, SKT still gave C9 two losses. I would say C9 won despite SKT, not because of them. #SimpleLogic

StillnameOct 15, 20172 votes

SKT did the opposite of carry C9 though... they strait up lost to AHQ which put AHQ in a better spot to get out of groups.

C9 just did this crazy strategy where they actually won a "must-win" game. Honestly if c9 spent literally all week exclusively prepping for AHQ and putting the other 2 games on the back-burner then they made a smart move.

IMT could have done the exact same thing to GAM because it was the only game they actually needed to win to get out.

KazaLyn ShaoOct 21, 20171 votes

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SKT did the opposite of carry C9 though... they strait up lost to AHQ which put AHQ in a better spot to get out of groups.

C9 just did this crazy strategy where they actually won a "must-win" game. Honestly if c9 spent literally all week exclusively prepping for AHQ and putting the other 2 games on the back-burner then they made a smart move.

IMT could have done the exact same thing to GAM because it was the only game they actually needed to win to get out.

Their "must win" game also included "must lose" games from both other teams in the group. C9 went into day 2 at 2-1 and could only pull out 1 win. That is not impressive. It equals TSM's record save the tie break. C9 is not better than TSM. Both teams are equally garbage, only C9 had SKT in their group.

xx12xx2019Oct 15, 20171 votes

Fans and League casters disagree with you.

NA is yet again getting easiest way to the finals and disappoints the most.

IncrediPhiLLOct 15, 20172 votes

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Fans and League casters disagree with you.

NA is yet again getting easiest way to the finals and disappoints the most.

^ something a salty person would say.

xx12xx2019Oct 15, 20171 votes

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IncrediPhiLLOct 15, 20171 votes

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-snip-

Both regions are going to quarterfinals. I’d argue neither of them suck. I’m rooting for EU too.

xx12xx2019Oct 15, 20171 votes

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Both regions are going to quarterfinals. I’d argue neither of them suck. I’m rooting for EU too.

2-9. Argue with that.

IncrediPhiLLOct 15, 20171 votes

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2-9. Argue with that.

12 - 6...

xx12xx2019Oct 15, 20171 votes

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12 - 6...

NA won 2 games and lost 9 in week 2. Let that sink in for a moment before you make your next reply.

IncrediPhiLLOct 15, 20172 votes

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NA won 2 games and lost 9 in week 2. Let that sink in for a moment before you make your next reply.

Sinking... sinking... sinking... yup. You still salty.

Walmart PornOct 15, 20171 votes

Simple. Fnatic diddnt have a group with skt, Do you really think that fnatic OR misfits would go 4-0 in a group with skt? MF's group diddnt even have ANY korean teams. Imt don't necessarily suck, just because someone else is good or slightly better dosnt make you bad. Cody sun costed them worlds imo. Imt got a group with fnatic and kr's first seed. Fnatic may have flopped at first but they are an old team with years of experience and it was imt;s first time at worlds so its not a bit surprise. Tsm just suck. They need a new coach or to bench sven. C9 had one of the hardest groups except mabye Lz's group and still beat every team that wasnt skt at least once.

xx12xx2019Oct 20, 20171 votes

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Simple. Fnatic diddnt have a group with skt, Do you really think that fnatic OR misfits would go 4-0 in a group with skt? MF's group diddnt even have ANY korean teams. Imt don't necessarily suck, just because someone else is good or slightly better dosnt make you bad. Cody sun costed them worlds imo. Imt got a group with fnatic and kr's first seed. Fnatic may have flopped at first but they are an old team with years of experience and it was imt;s first time at worlds so its not a bit surprise. Tsm just suck. They need a new coach or to bench sven. C9 had one of the hardest groups except mabye Lz's group and still beat every team that wasnt skt at least once.

Lol, you're making me laugh right now.

NipsahoyOct 15, 20171 votes

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^ something a mentally and socially ill person would say while stalking other people on forums and never backing up his statements with arguments.

Are you so mad because your region sucks? :D

Your region sucks too. You got 1 more team through and neither has a chance to move on to semifinals.

xx12xx2019Oct 15, 20171 votes

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Your region sucks too. You got 1 more team through and neither has a chance to move on to semifinals.

Sucks compared to KR and CN teams but not compared to NA. There is a difference having 2 teams in the tournament and having 1 with a total score of 2 wins and 9 losses during week 2 out of the whole region. :D

AnastaeciaOct 15, 20173 votes

Then you can say the same about every 2nd place team...because none of them beat the 1st place team in their respective groups.

ValyrianBladeOct 15, 20176 votes

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Fans and League casters disagree with you.

NA is yet again getting easiest way to the finals and disappoints the most.

Fnatic had a much luckier way / got carried much harder than C9 did. They went 2-4 and still managed to get in to tiebreakers. Them winning the 2 tiebreaks means nothing, 2-4 (+2) is a worse record than 3-3.

I think it becomes rather apparent if you stop caring about the order of matches and just the results. If order didn't matter, I should be able to re-order the results and people should still feel the same.

EDG goes 2-1 in week 1 with a heartbreaking loss to SKT. C9 is 1-2, and AHQ is 1-2 with a shock win over SKT. SKT is 2-1. SKT goes 3-0 in week 2. EDG shockingly goes 0-3, imploding even worse than TSM or IMT! C9 goes 2-1 and qualifies with an exceptional week 2.

Just because EDG collapsed in week 1 instead of week 2, doesn't mean their not qualifying for quarters is any more acceptable than TSM or IMT (It should be much worse since they had higher expectations being the top seed from China).

Likewise: Fnatic goes 2-1 in week 1. Longzhu goes 3-0 as expected. IMT goes 0-3, and GAM goes 1-2. IMT appears down and out. Longzhu goes 3-0 again. GAM goes 1-2 against. Fnatic collapses to go 0-3 while IMT goes 2-1. There's a 3-way tie break and Fnatic manages to pull it back together to get in to quarters. Now that's a story of a team falling apart and managing to pull it back together just in time. That's now a story of IMT making a miracle comeback attempt but falling just short.

The order doesn't matter. Either you get read in week 2, or you come unprepared in week 1. NA has done the former far too much and needs to learn better. I don't believe this is the first time EDG has done the latter though.

And, if anything, AHQ helped C9 out of groups, not SKT. If EDG 2-0'd AHQ like they were expected to (rather than 1-1'ing SKT which I don't think anyone expected, although they won early hard both times) then they'd have earned a tiebreak against C9 and could have controlled their own fate. SKT performing as expected isn't 'helping' C9 so much as it's 'not hurting' them. EDG underperforming against AHQ is what helped C9. Just funny how when it's NA that underperforms week 2 (which is a bit paradoxical since it always happens) then it's them underperforming, but when another region does poorly it's NA getting lucky.

Walmart PornOct 15, 20171 votes

Actually 2 out of c9's 3 losses are to skt in the first place they only dropped one non skt match which is perfectly accecptable. There is no shame in losing to a 3 time world champion. Anyone who thinks differently has highly unrealistic expectations. They won the most aginst teams that are not skt so they got out simple as that

Walmart PornOct 15, 20171 votes

In a group with Skt which accounts for 2 of their 3 losses = easiest route??? LOL do you really think fnatic would have gotten their 4/0 day in a group with Skt in it. Even if they dropped one game to ahq they came back stronger than ever. Droping one clown game to edg is to be expected. And losing to skt isnt anything to be ashamed of, they ARE 3 time world champions. Even if they came in as second seed everyone knows once it actually matters theyre almost unstoppable

KazaLyn ShaoOct 15, 20171 votes

Just because we don't like C9 doesn't mean we magically like TSM. Some of us know that NA as a region is a joke and can only get through groups on the graces of another team's victories. C9 did piss poor in week 2, only squeaking out 1 win, but didn't have to play a tie break because SKT dashed the other teams' chances. In fact, C9 had the same performance in both weeks that TSM did. 2-1 week one, 1-2 week two. TSM had to play a tie break is the only real difference. That's luck of the draw, not skill. Both teams are equally garbage, only one got luckier.

Kal Vas FlamOct 15, 20172 votes

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Just because we don't like C9 doesn't mean we magically like TSM. Some of us know that NA as a region is a joke and can only get through groups on the graces of another team's victories. C9 did piss poor in week 2, only squeaking out 1 win, but didn't have to play a tie break because SKT dashed the other teams' chances. In fact, C9 had the same performance in both weeks that TSM did. 2-1 week one, 1-2 week two. TSM had to play a tie break is the only real difference. That's luck of the draw, not skill. Both teams are equally garbage, only one got luckier.

My argument to that would be TSM had a joke group and C9 had SKT and EDG, which were both heavily favored in not just their groups but Worlds.