Fuck TSM

{quoted}

If the other NA teams can't even beat TSM, they aren't going to do any better internationally. It isn't "wasting" the NA spot, it's just that NA is a weak region in general. And if you try and pull the "c9 got out of groups last year" argument, they had a much easier group and got completely destroyed when they went up against an actual good team

Yeah. Other than that fact that they have indeed done better, they're not going to do any better Nice one.

{quoted}

If the other NA teams can't even beat TSM, they aren't going to do any better internationally. It isn't "wasting" the NA spot, it's just that NA is a weak region in general. And if you try and pull the "c9 got out of groups last year" argument, they had a much easier group and got completely destroyed when they went up against an actual good team

Well which one are we talking about? C9 who had actually been able to get out of group stages in world? or CLG destroyed hater and doubters after kick DL and not only won the spring split but was able to be 2nd place at MSI? Also Yes I will pull out the C9 because they are at least able to get out of group stage not only one time but 2 times, so what is TSM excuse of not getting out of group stage in over 3 years did they get all the hard team 3 times in a row? Also don't say they didn't get hard team because you clearly don't know how the match making was done for groups then.

{quoted}

Yes, I am a TSM fan. That hardly matters though. I would root for any NA team that made it to worlds/MSI.

The whole point is to bring the best of each region to MSI. TSM beat every other NA team. Doesn't matter if C9 could have done better. The fact is, they didn't. That's life.

Youre out of your mind if you think there's no pressure. Look at yourself. Youre pissed TSM lost, right? Everyone here is. How do you think they feel? How Reggie feels? I bet Turtle is scared to hell he'll get kicked or something. He got caught out way too much.

TSM didn't make it. Oh well. CLG did NA amazing work last year. We won't do well every year man.

I'm not piss TSM lost I'm just annoyed out they keep on taking a spot in a international stage and always losing it. If they can't come out big in a international event then move aside and let the other NA team go to worlds because TSM can never step up.

Even if you took all the best players in NA and put them on one super team, they still aren't going to beat SKT.

[{quoted}](name=KazaLyn Shao,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=kb8etIYk,comment-id=00030001000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-15T02:09:18.564+0000)

They're all garbage teams, H2K, TSM, and C9. They're all bad. That was my point to begin with. C9 fans just refuse to believe C9 is just as garbage as TSM when in reality all NA teams are equally worthless.

SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT

{quoted}

Except they faced the number one seed from China (which at the time was thought to be good). That wildcard team beat your or so good NA team and the number 1 seed in EU aswell. They didnt really get dumpstered though game 1/2 were close, but there is no difference in that with any other team. Other than that we made it to semi's and you didnt.

And ofc, C9 going trough because Meteos could finally hit a Lee Sin Q after 50 minutes :D.

There'a s big difference between 3-3 and 1-5 and you know it.

{quoted}

Except they faced the number one seed from China (which at the time was thought to be good). That wildcard team beat your or so good NA team and the number 1 seed in EU aswell. They didnt really get dumpstered though game 1/2 were close, but there is no difference in that with any other team. Other than that we made it to semi's and you didnt.

And ofc, C9 going trough because Meteos could finally hit a Lee Sin Q after 50 minutes :D.

They only had to take one game off EDG to advance. They couldn't do it. And "blah blah we made it to the semis blah". I missed the part where I'm supposed to care. You didn't personally make it to the semis and I didn't personally get rekt by EDG back to back. I don't get why you think I have some emotional ties to players I have nothing in common with just because I live in their region. NA and EU were competing for who's the bigger joke region last year. NA won, but EU sure did make a strong second place sucking.