Does anyone else feel like MSI this year is/was just kind of lackluster?
I can't put my finger on it but it just felt kind of "meh" as compared to last year or 2015. It might just be me tho...
I can't put my finger on it but it just felt kind of "meh" as compared to last year or 2015. It might just be me tho...
lack luster? We had a 5 way tie between all the teams at on point, where even the wild card region looked like a definite contender. what more could you have wanted? We were literally getting 7 full on team fights that would ace entire teams. while i do agree 2015 MSi was probabbly the best out of all of them, 2017 was defiantly a good one. if anything 2016 was the most boring MSI ever.
If SKT wasn't lightyears ahead of every other team I'd agree with you. As it is, this tournament just feels like a formality to go through before they hand SKT the trophy. I have pretty much 0 Hype for the finals.
I guess I can just pretend that none of the games with SKT actually exist and that 2nd place is winning. Then it might be exciting.
If SKT wasn't lightyears ahead of every other team I'd agree with you. As it is, this tournament just feels like a formality to go through before they hand SKT the trophy. I have pretty much 0 Hype for the finals.
I guess I can just pretend that none of the games with SKT actually exist and that 2nd place is winning. Then it might be exciting.
Wait you haven't been doing that since season 5? After Skt came out with their new super team since season 5 and largely kept it stable, fans have been doing this for years. Lol.
Personally I believe that just like the game itself, pro play has become a lot more predictable. Individual skill is becoming less relevant as players are not able to express their talent through a varied number of champions, instead having to stick to the verifiable winning champs of the meta. Failing to do so leads to a loss more often than not.
Meanwhile, games have only gotten shorter and shorter, with fewer close matches than ever. You can turn on a game and know who will win by 10 minutes more than ever now.
BTW, OMG v FNC is still the best league of legends I've ever seen. And I was there live in person to witness it. What a day! What a day that was.
Personally i feel that this year's MSI has been quite good.
Only thing that makes me sad is that so many teams seemed kinda at a loss about what to do in game. G2, TSM, FW and even WE have been under performing in my opinion. However that is not a problem of the tournament setup itself.
It was lackluster because Korea is so far ahead that none of the other matches really mattered. We all know that it's going to be SKT vs WE for the finals... and SKT is going to win.
The only really entertaining parts of this tournament were that final game between WE and SKT... and GAM being on par with EU/LMS/NA teams.
With NA eliminated it does annoy me to some degree, but I will still watch the rest of MSI mainly because I do think Flash Wolves will beat SKT 3-1 and G2 will beat Team WE 3-2, as well as watching the ( best? 4 regions ?) play and be contenders at Worlds 2017. SO if I was on TSM I would most likely be glued to the screen and take notes on SKT-FW-WE-G2.
Had a feel to it that I can't describe but once I do try to explain it gets obvious as to why I personally liked the 2016 MSI over the 2017 MSI to some degree.
NA actually did something for once, LCK didn't look great compared to later on in the Playoffs; so the factor of them possibly being eliminated by RNG who beat them 2-0 I think in the RR was exciting.
Other than those few reasons the 2017 MSI was interesting in more ways maybe not as many + compared - in some people but it had it's moments.
NA - Other than D-Lift and Turtle this was 80% the Worlds team from 2016 and it was still bad, but it wasn't just THE TEAM within the game, TSM's drafts were still compete garbage.
INT- Welcome International "Wild-Card" teams, 2016 Albus Nox Luna may have had the whine pop and the confetti fall, but Gigabyte Marines were much more impressive in my opinion. I honestly think we will see the Gigabyte Marines again at Worlds 2017. As well as I love the naem Gigabyte Marines - I think of Doom the game whenever I see their name.
LMS - People can say whatever they want "oh, LMS is a weak region" and while I do think the LMS is weak to some degree myself; the Flash Wolves aren't. MMD has really improved to the point where I see him killing Huni 2-3 times solo style in the Playoffs, and Karsa/Maple are the best JNG-MID due in my mind and has been for some time now.
So over all while the 2017 MSI wasn't as good as the 2016 for obvious reasons but to me personally, however I think the 2017 Worlds will be so much more competitive as well as the Summer Splits for all regions. So just hand on cause I'm sure we're in for a wild time!
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With NA eliminated it does annoy me to some degree, but I will still watch the rest of MSI mainly because I do think Flash Wolves will beat SKT 3-1 and G2 will beat Team WE 3-2, as well as watching the ( best? 4 regions ?) play and be contenders at Worlds 2017. SO if I was on TSM I would most likely be glued to the screen and take notes on SKT-FW-WE-G2.
Had a feel to it that I can't describe but once I do try to explain it gets obvious as to why I personally liked the 2016 MSI over the 2017 MSI to some degree. NA actually did something for once, LCK didn't look great compared to later on in the Playoffs; so the factor of them possibly being eliminated by RNG who beat them 2-0 I think in the RR was exciting.
Other than those few reasons the 2017 MSI was interesting in more ways maybe not as many + compared - in some people but it had it's moments.NA - Other than D-Lift and Turtle this was 80% the Worlds team from 2016 and it was still bad, but it wasn't just THE TEAM within the game, TSM's drafts were still compete garbage.
INT- Welcome International "Wild-Card" teams, 2016 Albus Nox Luna may have had the whine pop and the confetti fall, but Gigabyte Marines were much more impressive in my opinion. I honestly think we will see the Gigabyte Marines again at Worlds 2017. As well as I love the naem Gigabyte Marines - I think of Doom the game whenever I see their name.
LMS - People can say whatever they want "oh, LMS is a weak region" and while I do think the LMS is weak to some degree myself; the Flash Wolves aren't. MMD has really improved to the point where I see him killing Huni 2-3 times solo style in the Playoffs, and Karsa/Maple are the best JNG-MID due in my mind and has been for some time now.
So over all while the 2017 MSI wasn't as good as the 2016 for obvious reasons but to me personally, however I think the 2017 Worlds will be so much more competitive as well as the Summer Splits for all regions. So just hand on cause I'm sure we're in for a wild time!
Hey, I'll take that bet anytime. SKT over Flash Wolves easy! I'd bet my left foot on it. Also, I liked the marines, not just because I live in SEA, but also because of their name. Gigabyte is their sponsor I believe. I got one of their motherboards in my PC actually. No complaints about the quality of their products.
I think NA, EU, and LMS were are very close to being the same level. There really weren't enough games played to truly determine who should have been on top. But then again, that's the luck of the draw. I also hated TSM's draft in their final tie breaker against FW. Dirty dirty draft! But I'm glad they lost. Serves them right for serving up a free series win to team Liquid, the bane of the LCS.
Daniel Day-Lewis are we ?
I actually think NA is a little lower than the rest of the teams/regions mainly because certain of the top teams have glaring faults, faults that can't be ignored. To name a few.
TEAM SOLOMID Their drafts have always sucked in my opinion. TSM needs a new type of coach, Parth just isn't getting it done, I like his spirit and he is a very professional coach compared to Loco but I think he's over his head especially on the International stage. They need a Korean coach, a coach that's been "there" and has that attitude to train, practice etc; similar to Reapered.
COUNTER LOGIC GAMING
I want CLG to be one of the three NA teams to make it to Worlds but if so, it's must likely going to be 2 straight loses to an International wildcard team like always. They MUST beat the teams under them in both the LCS and the "weaker" region's respective teams at the big time events. Losing to Pain Gaming, SuperMassive, Albus Nox, it's just a bad work ethic. CLG are pretty much the Flash Wolves of NA.
Getting Dardoch may look 10/10 on paper but hopefully CLG can calm him down cause starting off poorly in the LCS is a CLG tradition and Dardoch isn't the best when it comes to slow starts. He rages, flames, etc and being on 3 teams within 2 years(4 splits) there's a reason for that; he can't get along with his teammates and on CLG it's less about individual talent but more so about team communication and teamwork.
CLOUD 9
Pretty much the "saviors" for NA but they aren't that great when it comes to the international stage either nor the NA LCS Playoffs. If they face TSM I have 0 reason to think C9 can beat TSM. C9 has been eliminated by TSM since Jensen's arrival on C9 what 4 times 4-0 since he faces TSM; until C9 beats TSM in NA LCS Playoffs/Finals there shouldn't be a " C9 > TSM".
Looking at the international stage, 2014 they were in tie-breaker but lost it to Najin Sword, after starting in groups 2-0. 2015 they were 3-0 in groups and lost 4 straight games, losing their tie-breaker again this time against AHQ E-Sports. 2016 they advanced but to what degree, SKT pretty much had to beat Flash Wolves and IMay for C9 to advance and luckily for C9 they did. Once C9 advanced they went against SSG and the horrible lane phase from C9 really showed, mainly Sneaky who went like 1-16 in that series.
Gotta get stronger in lane, and the Smoothie poke is good but once the meta shifts from these poke mage supports to ( Braum, Thresh, Leona, Lulu) that will be the true test on Sneaky's lane phase.
Yeah, no I love the Gigabyte Marines, Stark is good but got camped and did have a "bad" tournament for how many times he got solo killed or just was too aggressive but I like the Marines too.
I'm crossing my fingers that the Marines can get to Worlds cause I for one want to see them play again now that their international feet are wet and they have experience to work towards the future.
Well, just sawed off my left foot for your sake; Saw 1 style. I hope you're happy! lol
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Well, just sawed off my left foot for your sake; Saw 1 style. I hope you're happy! lol
You never took the bet though! You didn't have to do that on my account. . . Pics or it didn't happen.
lol
Nothing wrong with having an unsettling feeling. But realize along with what PhantomGG has already stated: the event is not over yet! Given how insanely close the competition was for the Main Event spoke wonders to how exciting it was. It was usually only unappealing to those who invested into a cause which wasn't the case (team, outcome, etc). Looking back to 2015, where there was a single round robin and the winners weren't even put through the full 10 games to win the tournament; but that's one side of the bracket. Again though, playoffs haven't happened yet. And even if the playoffs wind up being a bunch of 3-0 blowouts, it won't completely bury what surprises MSI already had even back to the Play In stages.
I would guess a couple reasons; I also feel like this year is less interesting than last. Here's what bugging me this year
Those are my thoughts, anyway. Maybe it was just as exciting while the games are happening, but I've lost interest without the NA rep playing, and that might be shadowing the rest of the games.
I'm sure plenty of people disagree with me, especially European fans who are happy to see G2 NOT become like TSM, relatively speaking.
Edit: I am, however, quite excited for the FW vs. SKT semifinals match. For the past couple years, FW has been the alleged kryptonite to SKT (4-2 vs SKT at MSI 2016, Worlds 2016, and MSI 2017 combined), but they've never played a Bo5 to prove it, only in relatively meaningless group stage games. Some people were saying that FW would have beaten SKT, where CLG lost in the MSI finals