In all seriousness, did C9 get paid off?

I'm ded xd

Lol literally any silver 5 player could be like oh they made the same pick adc like 4 times AND banned what we have been picking to counter it? Mabye just pick cait and ban the F#$#ing kog? Literally most of their searies was just trying to beat kogmaw scaling with frontline. They literally banned singed twice just because it was causing their kog pick problems.

Except that WE ADC is a damn good Xayah player too and C9 didn't want to put Rakan on their team to prevent a Xayah/Rakan botlane.

Really not hard to think that one through.

This is what bugs me. Why ban Xayah instead of kogmaw or galio or janna?

Yeah. you know they where desperate to play kog cuz they where trying to get it almost every single game. Just ban kog and take away cait problem solved. They literally banned singed twice just because that was the only wrench in the kog comp. I mean if theyre banning the main thing thats killing kog you know what theyre going for so why just let them have it

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Yea it's not like WE didn't get outdrafted in game 2 and 3. C9 just wasn't as good as people thought they would be.

Ok there's getting outdrafted by being forced into an unfavorable situation by intelligent bans and early picks

and then theres "we're gonna leave everything open and ban useless bullshit"

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scripts. Look at game 4 Impact literally flashed into J4 lmao

Yeah it feels like all the games were scripted this year. Every time the favored team wins game 1 then loses 2 games and the commentators and analysts are like WOW I NEVER EXPECTED THAT

and then the underdogs throw 2 games in a row

C9 made it really fucking obvious though. maybe a cry for help.

Obviously the Asian sponsors care a lot more and put up more money for this.

Except that makes no sense at all, cait was recently changed so that her early would be a lot weaker, midgame somewhat alright and lategame good.

She is not a early champ anymore, and seju isn't really a early game either like say lee or elise.

I´d personally say seju powerspikes once at lvl 6 then at certain items and every time her passive uppgrades.

But not a early game champ, tanks generally aren't.

Instead they picked a heck of a weird comp, they basically centered on Cait who has 0 tank killing ability and let the other team get galio and kog.

It's like they wanted to beat lategame but they just let the opponents pick better champs for it.

The bans primarily made no sense what so ever. Why even consider banning rumble?

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I just checked on their draft. What's so bad about the draft?

WE was basically guaranteed to pick Kog if Janna/Lulu were left open and had shown they were willing to pick Kog regardless on some occasions. What does C9 do? They waste two bans on Kalista and Xayah who they know WE weren't interested in picking and left all 3 of Kog/Janna/Lulu open for the pickings with WE's first pick. After that they ban jayce against a team that lacks any engage potential so far into the drafting phase.

Basically, they banned Xayah/Kalista/Jayce over Kog/Janna/Lulu against a team that loves to run Kog + Janna/Lulu comps and refused to target ban a team's weakness by addressing a needless Jayce ban over an engage jungler like Gragas that was still open.

As Khristophoros said somewhere in this thread:

Ok there's getting outdrafted by being forced into an unfavorable situation by intelligent bans and early picks

and then theres "we're gonna leave everything open and ban useless bullshit"

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I just checked on their draft. What's so bad about the draft?

In game 4 Contractz goes 1/7/5 on Sejuani.... and they put him immediately back on Sejuani, like HELLLOOOO, I realize Jarvan got banned but there are other junglers. That was the 3rd Caitlyn game, both Sneaky and Mystic got their asses handed to them on Caitlyn earlier in the series, whatever, try it again. We've banned Galio every game this series because of how legendarily good LPL teams are with Galio, who cares leave him open. Oh and when the other team picks him we obviously have to send an AP Mage at him, I mean, it's not like he's one of the best anti-AP tanks in the game right? Both teams have a mix of scaling and early game damage however, WE's scaling is in Kog'maw and Mystic clearly showed them in Game 1 that he can hold out against a Caitlyn with Kog'maw. C9's scaling is in Orianna who is in a fairly bad match up against a Galio who can clear waves just as fast if not faster than her, doesn't have the same mana issues and can roam whenever he pleases, why didn't C9 pick Galio, Jensen proved he could play him earlier in Worlds? Now stack all of that on top of what wasn't entirely C9's fault, them trying to match Galio's roam with Shen and getting counterpicked into a Gnar match-up. Now Shen can either protect his turret and be useless to his team, or roam, help his team and leave a Gnar to farm minions and turrets at his leisure.

Honestly it should never have went to a Game 5 in the first place, C9 snowballed Game 4 too fast and got into a position where they were doing so well but lost the ability to pressure WE because they took all of the easy objectives on the map TOO FAST. They got stuck in a situation where all they had left to push was Tier 2 turrets during a 6 minute wait for Baron to spawn, it gave WE time to farm and get Kog'maw online.