IEM Gyeonggi 2016 Where 30 min waits in between games happen, 40+ min of casters talking about what we just saw no more than 2 mins ago, so far IEM Gyeonggi 2016 has more talking and filler than actual gameplay. 20-25 min games < 30-40 mins filler
Just Jangle1 votesAnd to be honest i find it incredible stupid that his is happening.
I was watching Starcraft 2 after YEARS of not giving 1 single fuck about it and im quite please with how fast the games are now and how fast is goes from game to game. I remember back in Wing of Liberty it would take a long time for no damn reason, yet now is like they steped up their game.
But Rito, keeps the same waste of time since the beginning and is quite annoying.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesIndeed, like I understand an intermission half way through the show or something but always this type of style Game is finished and they take a 10-20 break, once they return from break the caster talk with the camera fixed only on them for an extra 10 mins, then they talk for another 5-10 mins during champion select WHY? Why even have the casters talk solely alone for those minutes instead just return and already begin in champion select hell that alone takes 5-10 mins so any points the casters want to make they can make it during champion select.
Game 1 begins after game break 10-20, 5-10 mins casters talking, 5-10 champion select. Repeat process 2 or 3 more times for 1 series
Next series they take a 30 min break and rinse and repeat process one.
Like the LCS wouldn't need dual streams if they cut out the filler instead.
Miror B1 votesTo be fair, apparently LoL was introduced to iem later than the other games (counterstrike/starcraft being the first two games to really "start the idea" with this and more recently overwatch joining in). For me, the bigger problem is the lack of actual competition at these events. While they may have a few "surprises" (rox/ssg), noone really cares if the 5th place EU team beats the 4th place NA team. Better competition could make more teams want to attend these events, which in turn could allow them to make these go longer/draw more viewership.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesTeams get invited to these events all the time but they turn it down why?
My thoughts are teams can practice about 10-20 scrims/ solo Q, oppose going to the IEM events/"small league events") and play 3 games in what feels like 8 hrs because of commercial"breaks" regular breaks and just filler with talking.
These are small team names the only team that someone might care about is SSG and all this filler and breaks/ imagine if this event had SKT-KT-TSM-CLG-TL-EDG-RNG etc etc 5-6 big names instead of teams that I personally have never heard of. If this event had bigger teams names holy hell; longer and more breaks will just come from it. Money isn't an issue either for some teams, so the prize poll is meh for some, so teams would rather not go and possibly spend the money on bad practice against staying home/relaxing and playing about 2-3X more games if they did instead went to the events.
Miror B1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=ithmYNWH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-12-15T19:49:24.111+0000)
Teams get invited to these events all the time but they turn it down why?
My thoughts are teams can practice about 10-20 scrims/ solo Q, oppose going to the IEM events/"small league events") and play 3 games in what feels like 8 hrs because of commercial"breaks" regular breaks and just filler with talking.These are small team names the only team that someone might care about is SSG and all this filler and breaks/ imagine if this event had SKT-KT-TSM-CLG-TL-EDG-RNG etc etc 5-6 big names instead of teams that I personally have never heard of. If this event had bigger teams names holy hell; longer and more breaks will just come from it. Money isn't an issue either for some teams, so the prize poll is meh for some, so teams would rather not go and possibly spend the money on bad practice against staying home/relaxing and playing about 2-3X more games if they did instead went to the events.
See, I kinda have a different idea. Let's say you're a team like SKT who can choose to "Scrim" anyone you want. You can either attend one of these events, and face teams who are 4th-8th in their respective regions, or not attend them and scrim against the other better teams that aren't there.
Having better teams at these events would probably be better for them as a whole. Not only would it make more teams want to attend (if you're a "smaller" team like p1/echo fox and see that SKT's attending, you'd almost be begging to go just to have practice vs them), but it'd also give the fans more watchable programming. Noone wants to see wildcard teams + average EU teams + average korean teams facing against eachother, they want to see high-quality stuff so they can imitate it in solo queue like pansies be entertained. Even if they only have those teams play a few games, you kinda have to think that the quality vs quantity idea would take effect.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesThat's what I'm saying that's why no real teams are going to these events, to what face garbage teams that have no real prep and are having roster changes etc. On 1 hand is it interesting to see teams with new roster changes facing other teams that might/might not have the same issue kinda but when it's a team/players that no one cares about what's the point?
like what happened to the Albus Nox Luna guys why weren't any of them at All-Stars why wasn't the team at any of these IEM tournaments did they turn down the offer to play? For such a "buzz" during worlds but no word on them since ? Seems fishy.
What about the teams in the Semi-Finals at Worlds(Rox vs H2K- I understand the Rox team was disbanded and same can be said about H2K) but those teams didn't get a 3rd place match at Worlds which I personally don't think Worlds 3rd place is necessary but just for big teams sake for these tournaments and a what if factor.
Riot could get rid of these small tournaments and most fans will be like " Riot had tournaments with teams that noone really cared or payed much attention to anyway... huh oh well".
dakm1021 votesHonestly I am fine with it once I get into the game, sure there are a few tech issues but the point is to watch the game once it gets up.
GeminiRune1 votesWould this be an IEM fault or an OGN fault? The group stage was being done like an OGN broadcast as is, hence the various things you'd see from layouts, flow of broadcast, etc. They explained the long break as well. It's ridiculous how the one time IEM is running ahead of schedule but can't keep the show going on due to OGN Broadcasting constraints, it's IEM's fault.
TurquoiseYoshi1 votesOne of the many reasons why IEM is really annoying. It would be great if we had some other non-Riot event that we could have during offseason for teams to play in, because this one sucks.
III BAKURYU III 1 votes1 thing that has always annoyed me was how much fans aren't really involved in these types of situations. I asked/sent Riot an idea to let who ever wins the "Worlds Pick'em" to be involved in some way shape or form during the All-Star event etc. Or have fans vs LCS players etc to show how far the Pros are compared to the average Joe/Jane of the World, this would have been more suited for the All-Star more so than say IEM etc but it was still an idea.
IEM is great to see teams from all around the world but 75% of the teams for the most part for this year are bottom of the barrel teams pretty much nobodies that either the fans don't care for or just never heard of.
So the teams aren't really getting much practice out of it mainly because the competition is meh and after this event it's still a month/half away from the teams' respective region split starts back in Jan 16th or whenever it begins. So any "practice" is ok but forgettable for the most part.
During a year of LCS/League We have Spring Split - Playoffs - MSI - Summer Split - Playoffs - Worlds - All Star and 2-3 IEM tournaments either at the very end or between the season.
( MY OWN THOUGHTS ON LCS/Season) This was my idea a while back that I'v came up, this idea only goes for NA/EU mainly because the LPL/LCK and other regions have their own rules/doesn't follow the same formula as Riot as they're not really owned by Riot or something.
The Spring and Summer Splits are combined whatever record teams end with during Spring is the same record they start with during Summer.
JANUARY Season begins(Spring)....................MARCH the 1st half ends. No Playoffs
April MSI kicks off( the top teams from each regions play for the Worlds Group stage etc) The teams that aren't apart of MSI plays in the IEM tournaments/small tournaments if they want so they too can get some practice in.
MAY is for the teams to rest up/ figure out the new patches AFTER MSI not during or 1 week make a huge patch right before a major event that determines WORLDS like Riot normally does for some reason which is dumb in my opinion.
JUNE Season continues(Summer)......................AUGUST the 2nd half ends ( PLAYOFFS)
SEPTEMBER-OCTOBER can be Challenger teams time to get some eyes attention instead during the Split with real teams opposed having fans watching either the Pros that have made a name for themselves already or watch the players that are constantly suck year after year.
ALL STAR EVENT happens before Worlds.
I'v never been a fan of watching the All-Star event after Worlds as I'v already seen the main event why would I care to watch something that doesn't interest me or really the pros for that matter. Pro player that lost in Group stage at Worlds " well we worked hard to win a championship but failed; oh well time to put on a smile for ALL-Star"
Having the All-Star event before Worlds gets a better grip on Pros that fans could be over looking not to mention it would be easier to see a #real top 20 players for Worlds cause seeing constant bad rankings of players on the lists is getting ridiculous(Zven-Mithy-Trick)
NOVEMBER...................................................... DECEMBER WORLDS BEGINS! Most age groups that watches E-Sports/League is around the 10-20 age groups and having the biggest tournament of the year for League during an event that schools let out for a Christmas break makes more sense to me personally. Most views as well.
Sorry for "ranting" but something that has always rubbed me the wrong way when I'm watching League.