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Watching Worlds with SKT and Monte

xJLx MCHammer··41 votes·3,753 views

Two games in, this guy has not said one positive thing about AHQ

WHY is he a shout caster? Really, I don't want there to be fake hype, IE acting as if AHQ has a huge chance. However, when the shout caster constantly says, there is nothing AHQ can do, there is no way this team can win..etc. You destroy any little chance, it's kills any sort of natural hype.

Sorry guys, I have to stop watching eSports with monte. I really don't mind when I listen to Monte in Korea, it's expected. But at worlds, it's another thing. Even when AHQ makes a good play, IE death sentence at max distance, he goes, "oh, that landed from a mile away".

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The Bíg Ticket15 votes

Lol...so how many good plays did AHQ make in those games? 2? Also he complimented them on their mid rotation...you guys just hate on Monte because you think he hates on NA teams....remember when everyone trashed Monte for saying Cloud9's strategy was so one-dimensional after they went 3-0 in the first week? Well turned out he was right and they actually got exposed hard.

I mean I get why you don't like him as a shoutcaster maybe, he obviously is biased but he has a reason to be, right? SKT is totally dominating this tournament. You guys need to give him some credit, he has been right with his predictions for S3 and S4 World Champions.

xJLx MCHammer4 votes

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Lol...so how many good plays did AHQ make in those games? 2? Also he complimented them on their mid rotation...you guys just hate on Monte because you think he hates on NA teams....remember when everyone trashed Monte for saying Cloud9's strategy was so one-dimensional after they went 3-0 in the first week? Well turned out he was right and they actually got exposed hard.

I mean I get why you don't like him as a shoutcaster maybe, he obviously is biased but he has a reason to be, right? SKT is totally dominating this tournament. You guys need to give him some credit, he has been right with his predictions for S3 and S4 World Champions.

2nd game, they make a play that gets them ahead of SKT for a good5 min or so. ALL he said was, that's not going to do anything, look at what faker is doing.

The Bíg Ticket11 votes

And he was right lol...btw he just repeated multiple times "nicely done, really nice by Westdoor" when latter killed Faker 1v1...so stop your hating lol.

Raoul12 votes

AHQ dont stand a chance. They drew the short straw and had to face SKT, in that moment, they were already out of the tournament.

xJLx MCHammer7 votes

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AHQ dont stand a chance. They drew the short straw and had to face SKT, in that moment, they were already out of the tournament.

They can pull a win I'm not saying they will win 3/5 games. It's like Phreak said, they can pull a win, make a nice play, and MAYBE win a game. But to outright stand there, for 45 min and claim every chance you get that there is NO chance that AHQ can do anything, it's defeats the point of watching eSports.

Raoul5 votes

Listen, i am sorry if your favorite team is out, but that happens. Next week its going to hit me when SKT kicks Origin out of the tournament, and if Fnatic gets to finals (my prediction) I will have to watch SKT destroy FNatic. Some things just happen. SKT is just a way different league than any other team in the tournament!

xJLx MCHammer7 votes

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Listen, i am sorry if your favorite team is out, but that happens. Next week its going to hit me when SKT kicks Origin out of the tournament, and if Fnatic gets to finals (my prediction) I will have to watch SKT destroy FNatic. Some things just happen. SKT is just a way different league than any other team in the tournament!

Quite honestly, I could really care less which teams proceed or not. I do like certain teams but it really doesn't change anything about what I said. He is just too negative against these teams. It's not that SKT is his favorite. He doesn't this with any team that is the top team, he praised SSB and SSW non stop last year.

Everyone knows which team is the favor to win. We know it is SKT, we know last year it was SSW/SSB. The point of a tournament is competition, if you keep reminding your audience that there is** nothing** a team can do to change the outcome, then there is no point in watching. As shout caster, you should be smart enough to admit there are chance for certain throws. Phreak, "there is a chance that there can be a reverse sweep, but it's really unlikely." What does Monte say, " this game is as good as over.

It's not only about being negative. he doesn't criticize the team he favors. Bang and Marvin get caught, instead of saying or following up with that, he says, it's ok, wont change the outcome, faker is making up for it. Faker is just csing in lane... It's stupid to watch his. The entire 3rd game, AHQ was 1k away from SKT. He constantly says it's over.

Hiemdol2 votes

To be fair there are several different style to contaminating on a game. Monte is a gameplay annalist. His common partner in the LCK is DOA a color commentator. It is DOA's job to raise tension and interest in a moment to moment of a game and Monte's job to give his insites to the Macro and Micro level events of a game to help explain events on a mechanical and gameplay level as well as predict how he thinks the game is playing out.

On the world casting crew the jobs are the same but for most game with two gameplay annalists and one color commentator. His job being the same as it is in the LCK.

Also to be fair he is playing a numbers game. I think that nearly anyone who has experience watching both these teams can agree that SKT was the heavy favorite in this match up. If they played, let's say, 100 games SKT could win 70 or 80 of them. They are just a better team. Saying that from the beginning of the game SKT will destroy them is just playing the odds. Sure anything can happen but is it likely in this case? I would argue no.

Personally I do not need false hype. The hype is not why I watch professional games. I watch to see how better players and teams than myself handle the situations, even the hopeless ones. If a team has little to no chance I would rather hear that and focus on my personal analysis of the game than hear casters make of dream scenarios on how the other team is still in a game.

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

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To be fair there are several different style to contaminating on a game. Monte is a gameplay annalist. His common partner in the LCK is DOA a color commentator. It is DOA's job to raise tension and interest in a moment to moment of a game and Monte's job to give his insites to the Macro and Micro level events of a game to help explain events on a mechanical and gameplay level as well as predict how he thinks the game is playing out.

On the world casting crew the jobs are the same but for most game with two gameplay annalists and one color commentator. His job being the same as it is in the LCK.

Also to be fair he is playing a numbers game. I think that nearly anyone who has experience watching both these teams can agree that SKT was the heavy favorite in this match up. If they played, let's say, 100 games SKT could win 70 or 80 of them. They are just a better team. Saying that from the beginning of the game SKT will destroy them is just playing the odds. Sure anything can happen but is it likely in this case? I would argue no.

Personally I do not need false hype. The hype is not why I watch professional games. I watch to see how better players and teams than myself handle the situations, even the hopeless ones. If a team has little to no chance I would rather hear that and focus on my personal analysis of the game than hear casters make of dream scenarios on how the other team is still in a game.

I'm not asking for false hype. I'm not asking for a T.V. show. We have plenty of analyst that aren't Monte; the difference between them analyzing games is that you will analyze it without destroying any natural hype. That's my term "D but it's anything I think might happen without analyst or shout caster telling me. See I had hope that maybe one team might snag a win. Now, every other analyst said there is a chance, there is no point to say no chance.

Gaxx D5 votes

Aaaaand wrong.

Color caster - an announcer, especially in sports, who provides supplementary information or comment. Monte is a color casater, DoA is a Play-by-play caster - The main commentator, also called the play-by-play announcer, is the primary speaker on the broadcast. They are valued for their articulateness and for their ability to describe each play or event of an often fast-moving sporting event.

Yxgl222HaX2 votes

I agree completely. First Cloud9 then AHQ. i dont even care that much about ahq, in fact i kind of dislike them because they beat my team haha. But the fact remains that Hero worshiping the korean overlords and acting like everyone else is crap is just completely unprofessional. Forget the teams themselves, thats not the issue. If youre going to shoutcast an INTERNATIONAL tournament why the hell would you want a clearly biased shoutcaster. its gotten to the point where i just stop watching any of the parts with him in it. Am i salty that my favorite team lost? Hell yeah i am. 110% SALT. But that does not mean i would be biased on any other team faceoffs sense the only ones i cared about in the first place where cloud 9 and fnatic. (shame unicorns diddnt make it i like watching them play). I say bench him and have doublelift shoutcast / analize ftw

therealdragon1 votes

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Quite honestly, I could really care less which teams proceed or not. I do like certain teams but it really doesn't change anything about what I said. He is just too negative against these teams. It's not that SKT is his favorite. He doesn't this with any team that is the top team, he praised SSB and SSW non stop last year.

Everyone knows which team is the favor to win. We know it is SKT, we know last year it was SSW/SSB. The point of a tournament is competition, if you keep reminding your audience that there is** nothing** a team can do to change the outcome, then there is no point in listening. As shout caster, you should be smart enough to admit there are chance for certain throws. Phreak, "there is a chance that there can be a reverse sweep, but it's really unlikely." What does Monte say, " this game is as good as over.

It's not only about being negative. he doesn't criticize the team he favors. Bang and Marvin get caught, instead of saying or following up with that, he says, it's ok, wont change the outcome, faker is making up for it. Faker is just csing in lane... It's stupid to watch his. The entire 3rd game, AHQ was 1k away from SKT. He constantly says it's over.

There, fixed it for ya. You can watch it without sound. You can't watch it without video.

I don't really have anything to say to this except mute it. The buttons there for a reason. Don't wanna listen because the shoutcasters suck, are biased, or anything else? Then mute them. It's your option to listen to them and watch the video. Both are separate options.

Also, lets be serious here, their job is to analyze the game and they were analyzing it. They were saying that even though members got caught, it wasn't a serious blow, nothing will happen. It doesn't ONLY happen with that team. I've heard that in fnatic games, in CLG games, in OG games. Saying that its ok at a time for team members to get caught doesn't only happen where you said. It's been used numerous times.

If it truly is a gamechanging teamfight, they'll say it is. They'll legit say "This teamfight will decide the game RIGHT HERE." "THEY GO FOR BARON AND COMPLETELY CHANGE THE SWAY OF THE GAME." likewise if a teamfight or members getting caught doesn't change much, they'll say that too: "X is down, but it doesn't look like that big of an effect as red team goes for dragon anyway. They try to steal, and....nothing." "X is down, but with the team being this fed, it doesn't matter, AND THEY GO IN ANYWAY"

So....yeah.

TL;DR: Mute it and watch if it annoys you that bad. Also, that applies to all analysts shoutcasters, not just the one you described

iamleburk1 votes

SKT are not on a different level of play though. There are other contenders for this tournament, namely Fnatic and KT. Yes, SKT beat KT last time they met but, that isn't deffinite to happen again.

Biffolo1 votes

Some matchups are just that one sided. It's like taking a college football team and putting them up against the new england patriots. Ahq is good in their own right for sure, but this is on another level entirely.

iamleburk1 votes

No. He calls a bad play when he sees it, and AHQ made for more bad plays. He also called SKT for their bad plays, but they made considerably less of them. Would you rather he lie and say SKT has more of a chance than they actually do? I guess that would be the nice way of doing things. We should give AHQ a trophy too, for participation! Because that would be nice too

YambrinZ5 votes

You are so salty that NA teams suck that you are trying to take it out on a shoutcaster? LMFAO! I would like to see NA teams succeed as well, but calm down kids.

xJLx MCHammer4 votes

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You are so salty that NA teams suck that you are trying to take it out on a shoutcaster? LMFAO! I would like to see NA teams succeed as well, but calm down kids.

Uhg, like I said, i could care less what team wins. Everyone knows, hell all the caster constantly repeat which team is likely to win. The point is, if you want to make a spectator game, you don't say things like, no chance. You don't create false hype, but if there is hype that's created by itself, you let be; you don't go and constantly say, guys, no matter what this team does, there is NO CHANCE>

on top of that, he fails to recognize when a team other than his favorite does something good, yet he constantly calls them out on mistakes. It's why so many people have a problem with him. Not that his likes a certain team, it's that as an analyst, he lets becomes biased towards it that his comments are all about that team.

Oh look, Marvin got hooked by max death hook, his response, "oh that hit from a mile a away". Wolf does it? "this is what makes skt legendary and undefeated".

Biffolo2 votes

He did criticize bengi though when he would get caught out multiple times. He called him out on going runeglaive with a squishy as shit team. He called out skt a lot, you just chose not to hear it.

RyzeRework4 votes

montes just that annoying little shit talker in highschool that you beat to keep him in line

Du Ma Mi3 votes

Man, I feel bad for the OP here. He's completely right, and is getting downvoted in every comment he makes. Monte has just dehyped every play that AHQ makes - "Lucky Gnar's passive was up, or they were done for". "This game is as good as over". Like honestly, there are AHQ fans out there who don't want to hear their team get devalued by an announcer online. If Fnatic goes to the finals, I sure as hell don't want to listen to Monte talk about how "SKT just plays around their world-class mid lane, who's just so good at roaming. While Faker's helping Bang and Wolf out bot, that gives a free gank for SKT's jungler up top. Oh, and Fnatic needs better teamwork, minions haven't spawned, but it's been GG since champ select for this match." No. I want an honest analysis. If AHQ plays bad, okay, say it. But you don't have to praise the gods for blessing the world with SKT while kicking AHQ repeatedly while they're down.

HoboMcJoe4 votes

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Man, I feel bad for the OP here. He's completely right, and is getting downvoted in every comment he makes. Monte has just dehyped every play that AHQ makes - "Lucky Gnar's passive was up, or they were done for". "This game is as good as over". Like honestly, there are AHQ fans out there who don't want to hear their team get devalued by an announcer online. If Fnatic goes to the finals, I sure as hell don't want to listen to Monte talk about how "SKT just plays around their world-class mid lane, who's just so good at roaming. While Faker's helping Bang and Wolf out bot, that gives a free gank for SKT's jungler up top. Oh, and Fnatic needs better teamwork, minions haven't spawned, but it's been GG since champ select for this match." No. I want an honest analysis. If AHQ plays bad, okay, say it. But you don't have to praise the gods for blessing the world with SKT while kicking AHQ repeatedly while they're down.

op isn't "completely right" though. you can call monte biased and you'd be right, and he's probably more biased than most casters but I watched these matches and he praised ahq several times, so flat out saying he didn't probably just means you hate monte for some other reason.

Du Ma Mi1 votes

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op isn't "completely right" though. you can call monte biased and you'd be right, and he's probably more biased than most casters but I watched these matches and he praised ahq several times, so flat out saying he didn't probably just means you hate monte for some other reason.

I don't hate monte, he's good at his job, he's a pretty decent guy (from what I can tell), and we share a common interest (otherwise I wouldn't be posting right now). Maybe you have a point, maybe I just chose to remember the bad things he said rather than the good things. But that doesn't change the fact that he could be a little more professional, and piss a few less people off, if he would just analyze the game instead of chirping one team or the other.

But hey, that's just my 25 cents.

IronDraconis12 votes

Just mute it and practice shout casting yourself :)

Talk your way through the game, try and analyze things for yourself.

I personally agree and can't stand Monte since 2013. I want commentary, not Fanboyism.

ALL THAT SAID,

I think that Monte is great for Esports HYPE, discussion, and fan interaction. He is the "Skip Bayless" or "Lee Corso" of Esports. He is unabashed about his pics, ideas, and predictions. He brings out the best and worst in fans, moves the interaction meter, and is, in a word: polarizing.

TL;DR Monte is great for Esports, even if some of us don't like listening to him.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Skip Bayless is closer. Lee Corso is pretty much just senile.

Squeaky Dreemurr2 votes

If you had watched SKT go undefeated this season like Monte had, you would say the same.

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

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If you had watched SKT go undefeated this season like Monte had, you would say the same.

They dropped plenty of games, maybe not match ups

ninjaIRL 2 votes

Monte: "AHQ is playing this game the way it needs to be played in order for them to win."

Don't act like Monte hasn't said 1 thing good and positive to teams other than SKT T1.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

Well, AHQ as it is makes a lot of mistakes and Westdoor unfortunatly is still underperforming. Still, if they´d be a little more deceisive they could turn those games - their botlane is doing well again and Ziv really is matched evenly with Marin, it´s just Bengi really again dominating the jungle and Westdoor not showing up anywhere.

But yea, the hypetrain can get tiresome.

JimmyNtheKudos1 votes

Monte is a good analyst, somewhere where his biases can be more accepted. Though, he just can't keep them in during casting where nobody wants to hear about his secret crush on Faker.

USG Morta1 votes

so not a secret lol

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Maybe I would pay attention to him if he said anything good about anyone other than Korea. I can't wait for his fan-gasms in the KT vs KOO match.

Biffolo1 votes

Maybe if any other region was able to produce 3 semi-finals worthy teams at once he could have something to say about them :)

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Everyone else can find things to say about the other regions other than "That failed they suck lol"

Biffolo1 votes

He speaks about the bottom line. He doesn't sugarcoat things. He says how things realistically look, and I can appreciate that. It may not be everyone's favorite thing, but saying he shouldn't be allowed to cast because people dislike his style is absurd. Especially when there are plenty of people who DO like his style.

FluxBound1 votes

Didn't he do that with Cloud9 too?

brad1 votes

is he wrong though? u realize that nobody has any chance against skt right?

i feel bad for origen because they have to go against skt in the semi's and they are going to lose, its not even a question

Just Jangle1 votes

People just love hating on Monte.

ZergReap1 votes

Tras a Monte fan he is trolling way too hard this worlds. He almost seems salty and just wants to rub it in his region is dominating. In his defense, he was telling the truth there wasn't much AHQ could do to compete.

Scryer1 votes

Monte is a fucking asshole, I wish I could mute him while he shoutcasts.

Stella Ex Amore1 votes

Casters don't have to be politically incorrect, they can have favorites. Any and every sport features casters that not only say "they have no chance" for example, but statements such as "Wow. The Atlanta Falcons have absolutely no chance of victory in either the playoffs or Super Bowl, their offensive line is horrible". It may not be everyone's cup of tea to hear casters not be neutral when it comes to the teams that are playing, but it is a natural effect of competitive sports. No offense meant in any way to the views of OP or others. Cheers.

iamleburk1 votes

Yup. The best casting duo is Monte and Doa, and that is because they have clear favorites (Monte likes KT and Doa like SKT). This guy is just some idiot who wants everyone to use the kitty gloves with him

Stillname1 votes

Take everything Monte says with a grain of salt. He doesn't actually play league of legends he literally just watches it. Which is why you never see him talking about champion mechanics or interactions aside from the popular pro played ones.

All he knows is team macro play which is why he talks so much about "rotations"

iamleburk1 votes

Lol looks like you have a bit more than a "grain" of salt. Monte is legitimately the best analyst we have in this scene. Have you ever seen one of his VOD reviews? His understanding of macro play is unparalleled. Today, he was the first person to say "EDG could have just ended it right there" and then the analyst desk just repeated him afterwards. But you're going to ignore that, because you don't like it when he calls NA the shit they are.

Stillname1 votes

He is good at macro play.. and only when working with perfect vision like he is used to.... I am fairly confident if he was able to tell players what to do during the game with just vision of what his team could see the info wouldn't be that useful at least not more helpful then another pro player.. also... he wasn't on the caster desk or analysis desk today was he? when did he say that "EDG could have just ended it right there"?

I'm also confused on what I am salty about?

iamleburk1 votes

Wait what was that about perfect vision? I'm not sure you are understanding what an analyst does. He looks at a teams macro strengths and weaknesses uses that to evaluate teams and tell you what they are good at. And what he says in that respect should NOT be taken with a grain of salt, because he is almost always right. And we do not know whether he would make a good shot caller, actually i have a feeling he would, but he does not have the mechanics of a pro player. If he were to control pick and ban however, he would do very well. That was seen in the first few weeks he coached CLG when he was there for the pick and ban.

He tweeted it literally at that minute during the game. No one else picked up on it, the analyst desk only said it after reading his tweet.

Im calling you salty because the reasons you use are illogical and the majority of people who don't like Monte don't like him for saying something bad about a team or a player they like. The idea that you need to be mechanically good at a game to analyze it is really stupid, every sport has analysts and a lot of those analysts are not ex-pros. Regardless, Monte generally has a better idea of predictions than anyone else on the analyst desk. When he makes his predictions, he gives reason for it. He predicted FNC and OG would win in the quarterfinals, he predicted C9 would get stomped as soon as someone figured out their 1 strategy, and he predicted how badly KOO would tear apart CLG.

Stillname1 votes

I see at this point that I am not going to convince you off of your opinion and vise-versa so... pointless conversation I suppose (would just like to add that I do like monte and do watch his videos I am just trying to point out his weaknesses)

iamleburk1 votes

And I wouldn't have responded if you pointed out legitimate weaknesses. You can say he is a little harsh, and he is usually biased when KT plays (he is a KT fan), but that is about it. He is the best analyst in this scene. "He doesn't play the game" is not a legitimate weakness for an analyst or a caster.

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