Why isn't match 5 Blind pick?

Darth Pixy Misa·Apr 26, 2015·5 votes·5,059 views

In LCK when they do BO5 match 5 is blind pick so there are no bans and a mirror match is possible. Why don't they do this in NA, EU, and LPL?

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TheGrandAllianceApr 29, 20153 votes

Because Blind PIck is retarded whether it be SoloQ or LCS: No counterplay... and just players "on their best". Could SKT ACTUALLY WIN something if Faker wouldn't be able to spam Leblanc on Game 5 and GG?

Furthermore if champion is used 2x does mess up any "lore" aspects of the game. And it is just retarded idea in the first place.

Also #1 reason that; in a close matchup, Korean teams will lose to NA/EU teams because they can't just "drain out the clock and wait for game 5 PUNISHMENT TIME". They ACTUALLY have to play out ALL FIVE GAMES! O NO THE WORLD IS ENDINGZ!

JevelFaithfulApr 30, 20151 votes

{quoted} Also #1 reason that; in a close matchup, Korean teams will lose to NA/EU teams because they can't just "drain out the clock and wait for game 5 PUNISHMENT TIME". They ACTUALLY have to play out ALL FIVE GAMES! O NO THE WORLD IS ENDINGZ!

Sorry, but do you have anything to back that up? I seems to me that Korean teams usually outright win or it's close the whole game. ALso that if they are good enough to hold on to game 5, then they probably are good enough to have a chance of winning game 5 whatever the rules.

TheGrandAllianceApr 30, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Sorry, but do you have anything to back that up? I seems to me that Korean teams usually outright win or it's close the whole game. ALso that if they are good enough to hold on to game 5, then they probably are good enough to have a chance of winning game 5 whatever the rules.

2015 IEM Kat. competition

VixanysMay 1, 20152 votes

Oh, my friend. You don't see the glory that is Blind Pick 5th games. The only way to get to them is to have each team go 2:2 (duh), which makes the match a best of one. Your favorite format from the LCS that shows true skill.

Now they take that Best of One and they beat it with a stick because who needs pesky Bans. The LCK format for Blind Pick is amazing. It puts the entire team on what they are comfortable with, with a team comp they are most familiar with and champions they dominate with.

Just because one player in the world can play a champion at such a level that he could probably 1v9, does not mean you have to call 5th Game Blind Pick a "retarded" Pick.

That is rather rude, considering that all players are given the opportunity to play their "best champion". There is the counter play its called hope to hell you can be on the level to at least compete with Faker.

Faker has 2000+ games on Leblanc. He is a literal god with that champion, and I see no reason a 5th game Blind pick shouldn't be encouraged.

It's like God Support (when he was at his pinnacle) Madlife not getting Blitz or Thresh. I want to see the best games and by god if that means giving Faker Leblanc I'll see it!

JevelFaithfulMay 1, 20153 votes

That's it, those games are always epic. Precisely for that

JevelFaithfulMay 1, 20151 votes

Thanks, I'Ll be sure to check that out.

JevelFaithfulMay 2, 20151 votes

Wait, do you have a game in particular? BEcause that tournament was in Bo3 for semis and Bo5 for finals. i don't think koreans do blind-game5 in Bo3, and the finals didn't make it to game5.

If you were talking about hte finals. All I saw was TSM being better than WE. Nothing else.

VixanysMay 3, 20151 votes

He doesn't have a specific game. He's just spouting off about random stuff. Mixing up a competitive game by getting rid of bans and allowing players to play any champion is amazing. He can't see that, which is sad, because it's awesome.

JevelFaithfulMay 3, 20151 votes

Yeah. I was kinda thinking the same. But calling him an idiot directly seemed unfair.

VixanysMay 3, 20151 votes

Who called him an idiot?

JevelFaithfulMay 3, 20151 votes

Oh not you. But I had the choice of asking if he had a specific example or calling him an idiot for bashing an idea without any kind of fact to back it up. You didn't call him an idiot, I would have (or at least that would have been my intention).

VixanysMay 4, 20151 votes

In some cases I can see the argument against 5th Game Blind Pick. In the case of Faker he is undefeated when he gets Leblanc. It doesn't matter there appears to be no counterplay to him on that champion. That can be counter-intuitive to a competitive game style, but on the other hand, each team gets there best champions and best comps, so there should be a balance to it.

I wouldn't go as far to call anyone an idiot for their opinion. Which is what that would account for.

JevelFaithfulMay 4, 20151 votes

True. My response might have been a bit too impulsive.

And yeah, in theory, no champion would be 100% pick or ban (like a good Leblanc in your example), but League has some issues with this. And the blind-game5 is technically a non-sense from a purely competitive standpoint (nowhere else do you see this and there is no reason to differenciate Game5). I think in the end, the main advantage is for the viewer. I know I can't keep my concentration for 4h straight of League. So a change of pace is pretty much mandatory. That or make finals in Bo3. Maybe with a double elimination to avoid too many upsets.

ADDED : Actually, know what? I'll correct you on one point. I wouldn't be calling him an idiot for his opinion. I would have been calling him an idiot for spouting his opinion when he has nothing substancial to back them on. But yeah, I can't deny it doesn't make sense competitively.

TheGrandAllianceMay 4, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Wait, do you have a game in particular? BEcause that tournament was in Bo3 for semis and Bo5 for finals. i don't think koreans do blind-game5 in Bo3, and the finals didn't make it to game5.

If you were talking about hte finals. All I saw was TSM being better than WE. Nothing else.

I would link stuff... but ESports site is broken it appears at moment LoL. What I should say is that TSM was able to defeat multiple Asian teams without any problems... including ones that beat Korean teams. I am not entirely sure if they played vs Korean teams exactly however the logic remains is that Korean teams got wiped in IEM, and likely because there was no "Game 5 blind pick" mode either.

Speculation, yes, but we will find out soon enough.//

VixanysMay 5, 20152 votes

My poor poor naive friend, if you watched LCK on a regular basis you'd see that most playoff games rarely go to 5th pick. Its the times it does, where the match boils down to a best of one. Now, just thinking of it. Both teams have fought 4 games dead even in the standings, and pow 5th game is upon them, No Bans Blind pick is here. Play who you want. They can't take your strategies away just try to counter them. After 4 grueling games, a 5th game to bring some diversity in a meta that may not favor it, it's a hell of an idea.

JevelFaithfulMay 5, 20151 votes

I'd stand with vixanys on this one. Overall, of the 2 korean teams, GET made it to the playoff. And CJ entus won 1 before being eliminated by the winner, and then by the second place (all that in Bo1). Overall, 1 korean got cleaned up pretty quickly in Bo1 and the other made it to the first round of Bo3. Bo5 rules never came into play in that, taht's why I'm kind of surprised you blame them on relying on it. Somehow, I doubt they would have even made it there if they won because of blindGame5.
Like Vixanys says. Most of their playoff matches are decided in 3 games actually.

Meteor DrizApr 28, 20152 votes

RITO

PLEASE put this in

It sounds so amazing

Let the OP champs through, let the duplicates through, lets see this go down

JevelFaithfulApr 30, 20151 votes

Honnestly? It goes down pretty awesome. Mandaroty Faker classic gameplay.

Seriously, it breaks the rythm of the other wise pretty repetitive game. A 5game run is pretty much a 5h of seeing similar plays and everything. And you're pretty sure to see the good cutting edge picks. Those the player really likes.

JevelFaithfulApr 27, 20151 votes

Probably because the classic tournaments don't make a difference for game5. Because it woulld in theory "disturb the playing field" and everything. Game5 is just game5, it's the same game and the game is played in draft. I don't know where they got the idea from, but I'm pretty sure they did this independantly.

That being said, I actually really like that idea, games usually last 1h each (counting everything around them) and I have no idea how someone can stand watching 5 hours of the same players/strategy/picks. After max 3 games, the matches starts to blurr and quit making sense to me. I'm curious to see if anyone knows something I don't about this.

VixanysApr 27, 20151 votes

LCK has had a 5th game Blind pick since it was developed as a region (2013/2014 when OGN ran Bo5 for their weekly format).

Another noticeable thing is that there is no bans, so you get players on their best champions and teams on their best strategies. It is just amazing!

JevelFaithfulApr 27, 20151 votes

Yeah all the matches I've seen made for amazing games. I still wonder where they got the idea in the first place. If OGN had a weekly tournament, maybe they took some liberties for the heck of it.

RhlaxApr 27, 20151 votes

Game 5 should be something different, but not sure if it should be blind pick.

BeatzBoyFTWApr 28, 20151 votes

Then every match of various teams would always be:

Top: Maokai vs Maokai

Mid: Ahri vs Ahri

Jungle: Sejuani vs Sejuani

ADC: Sivir vs Sivir

Support: Thresh vs Thresh

due note that in blind picks, teams wont get to see what enemy team is picking in champion selects

Mirror fights OP.

JevelFaithfulApr 30, 20151 votes

HOnnestly, all the matches I've seen in that format were actually a lot more different than you'd expect. I don't think I've seen more than 2 mirrors in a single match. If you think about it, there aren't a lot of players who have the exact same main champion. And the players are better off taking synergistic champs than their main. And when there's a mirror, I think seeing mirrors is actualyl quite interesting. It's something you almost never see in competitive. Especially considering it'd happens 1 game out of 10 in tournament and 1 game out of 500 if you count playoffs.