Anyone else think "Aw Man" When Bjerg Picks Cho?

Darth Pixy Misa·May 8, 2015·25 votes·2,995 views

While Cho is great, I dont think that champ suits Bjerg's play style.....

29 Comments

JelubiMay 9, 201510 votes

Yes, this is exactly why they do poorly for all of MSI. They dominate all season with... Dyrus as the tank who cant be set back Santorin as heavy ganker Bjerg as the high DPS Turtle as a Early/Mid Game Utility ADC LustBoy as a pick find Support

Then they go into MSI with... Dyrus as the main damage threat early Santorin AFK Bjerg as the tank who cant make plays Turtle as the super late game ADC LustBoy not roaming but still finding picks.....dis-advantageous picks

What were they thinking? Dyrus as the main damage source early game? WTF, he runs NA top lane by picking big tanks and getting super tanky even after the enemy team has wasted 5 full minutes of game-time solely on ganking him. Santorin thought he had time to "feel out the opponent" and then react while every other jungler was controlling the pace themselves. Bjergsen.....trying to pretend hes good at everything. I'd honestly rather see Bjergsen just pick his Zed into this meta rather than try to Cho'gath ever again. I honestly believe Bjergsen would have done better on Zed based on natural skill, comfort and burst potential. Turtle tried to rely on Kalista with all attack speed build so he was a non-factor until the super-late game that they never got to. And Lustboy didnt roam to set things up. He just looked for picks into stronger teams.

MCBiggah99May 8, 20155 votes

It suited him when they played C9, lol. They're playing like pure shit right now and I don't get why. Santorin hasn't done jack shit in all three of their losing games.

PandahHeartMay 8, 20151 votes

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It suited him when they played C9, lol. They're playing like pure shit right now and I don't get why. Santorin hasn't done jack shit in all three of their losing games.

I agree. I think I saw Santorin gank like once during the early parts of the matches. I think Cho is fine in NA but playing internationally, they need to do better. They even keep playing the same champions, like Santorin with Gragas and Wildturtl with Kalista. Ziggs is good for wave clear but I like him better when he plays Zed, Leblanc, Urgot or Ahri. And I feel like Santorin does better with Sej than Gragas or Reksai..

llamasxMay 8, 20154 votes

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It suited him when they played C9, lol. They're playing like pure shit right now and I don't get why. Santorin hasn't done jack shit in all three of their losing games.

It's probably partially because of how different the other regions' styles are. They play much more aggressively, and are willing to make calculated riskier plays. This in turn puts more pressure on TSM and lets them make more mistakes.
This in contrast with NA where TSM's main competition, C9 play extremely safely. They only go for a play if they're 99% sure it'll work. They go for low risk low reward plays which doesn't put nearly as much pressure on a team. This is why we see most games in NA where after 20 minutes there are less than 5 kills on the board.

Only Play DariusMay 8, 20151 votes

Would you say that the calculated, riskier plays are superior to NA's style of plays?

llamasxMay 9, 20151 votes

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Would you say that the calculated, riskier plays are superior to NA's style of plays?

Well they certainly make the game more fun to watch. As for actual outcome of the game, it goes both ways. The way I see it is, there are only so many ways to play safe for a given team comp, which makes the team very predictable as they will pick the safer choice to get ahead 90% of the time.

On the other hand, higher risk plays open a lot of doors to be less predictable so long as you're not making the same play over and over again (looking at Rush).

Honestly TSM should stick to their play style, but they're not reading their opponents correctly, which hurts their ability to make their safe choices which still being easy to predict. They'd probably do better in a BO5 or if they managed to not get behind early/mid game as their controlled vision game is very good for staying ahead, just not good for getting ahead.

junglerboy16May 9, 20154 votes

Yeah, Bjerg on anything really immobile actually has a tendency to not be nearly as amazing as his assassins, except for Azir.

According to Faker though, NA midlaners are the best midlaners #FakerEpicTroll2k15.

grLKQ9ma0oMay 9, 20151 votes

His Xerath is godlike, too. He just is useless in the current meta.

LintheMay 8, 20153 votes

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While Cho is great, I dont think that champ suits Bjerg's play style.....

Yea.. which is weird. Because his LeBlanc and Ahri are solid. I don't get it.

TheGrandAllianceMay 8, 20153 votes

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Yea.. which is weird. Because his LeBlanc and Ahri are solid. I don't get it.

PLEASE TSM Ahri Ahri Ahri Ahri Ahri Ahri Ahri Ahri Ahri Ahri Ahri Ahri Ahri

AquariusGineMay 9, 20153 votes

Maybe they were having a bad day.. I studied so hard for exams but on the day I had to do it I felt off my game

TakahashiiMay 8, 20151 votes

assassin or useless. Too bad the tank meta punishes meta.

grimmrookMay 8, 20156 votes

TSM IS JUST NOT AS GOOD AS PEOPLE THINK

IcyPepperMay 9, 20154 votes

Too bad the tank meta punishes meta.

wut

TheGrandAllianceMay 8, 20151 votes

Yes +1 to the thread's concept indeed...

RyzeReworkMay 8, 20151 votes

too bad tsm is selling out its one thing to lose but to loose as bad as that as tsm they arent even trying

LuggMay 8, 20151 votes

COMPLETELY agree. He can't roam with him at all. Totally ruins their teams strategy.

PhantomDark03May 9, 20151 votes

BJERKSON IS A NOOB COMPARED TO ANY OTHER INTERNATIONAL MIDLANER

PhantomDark03May 9, 20151 votes

Cho is really good champ . AHQ midlaner "westdoor" picked Cho and destroyed SKT . I just think Bjerkson is bad .

At the pro level and with all the fuzz they give Bjerkson , he cannot say " well , am not so good midlaning with cho " .

LaBlancaMay 9, 20151 votes

I agree, I think it's more interesting when he goes some one like ahri but I wouldn't say he is a bad cho gath

MigrañaboyMay 9, 20151 votes

It was legit pick! Champion diversity!

TSM = The Salt Mine

grLKQ9ma0oMay 9, 20151 votes

Put Bjerg on a hard carry. Not Cho, not Ziggs, not Urgot. Put him on Azir, on Leblanc, on one of his assassins. Hell, even put him on Corki mid and he'll do fine. He needs to be able to either eliminate one of their carries with his high mobility/high damage champion, or to deal consistent damage with someone like Azir or Corki that can really snowball their teamfight.

Rinky DinkyMay 10, 20151 votes

Urgot is a carry you noob

grLKQ9ma0oMay 11, 20151 votes

He's not a hard carry that's gonna steamroll an entire team like Bjerg's Ahri/Zed/Leblanc

Rinky DinkyMay 11, 20151 votes

Leblanc and Zed are not carries, they are assassins.

Ahri is on the edge of that spectrum.

grLKQ9ma0oMay 12, 20151 votes

I mean, you can keep downvoting everything I say, but the fact remains that Bjerg can consistently get ahead with his assassins and CARRY the game with them. Nobody can stop him once he starts snowballing, but on the current meta of champions, he can't do that as well. Regardless of how you try to title those champions, he can carry the game while playing them, so if that's not a "carry", then I guess I don't really know what the term means.

Sirin GioroMay 9, 20151 votes

I hate to see them 4v5-ing whole game

SolaxoMay 9, 20151 votes

Who the heck is Bjerg

AtheliousMay 9, 20151 votes

The cho only worked against C9, because Bjerg was facing a C9 Hai who was pretty much on tilt now that he faced mid laners that are pretty decent and know what they are doing their team comp failed and it was frustrating to see them fail because they know they got owned with it but for some reason they still insisted and kept wanting it to work.