CLG Deserves WORLDS

III BAKURYU III ·Sep 2, 2016·7 votes·1,294 views

I'm Sick and Tired of people saying that CLG doesn't deserve to go to WORLDS but instead C9 or Immortals should take their place instead.

Spring Split now MATTERS, it's not just Summer Split but the whole year now. Riot finally made Spring Split useful and more productive than just a Split of not getting relegated as it was for close to 3 years.

If it wasn't for CLG at MSI NA would not have a 1st Seed for WORLDS but as far a NA alone goes it's irrelevant.

Cloud 9 was eliminated in the First round of the spring split CLG Advanced in the first round of the Summer Split

Cloud 9 Lost in the Finals of summer CLG WON in the Finals of the Spring Split

Cloud 9 eliminated - Lost CLG advanced - Won ?????

While Immortals did beat CLG in the 3rd place of the Summer Playoffs, Immortals did not have enough points to make it to worlds as they too didn't win a single split after 2 great regular season splits but they too were eliminated in the 2nd round in both Splits.

So Please realize that CLG deserve to go as they actually won a Split something that C9 or IMT haven't done in either splits.

23 Comments

Truly PridefulSep 2, 20163 votes

If they deserve to go, they'll have no problem getting through the gauntlet rounds. They haven't looked very good this split, but they still have time to fix it and get to Worlds.

III BAKURYU III Sep 2, 20162 votes

Indeed and I agree with your post. It's sad that either C9 or IMT will not get to go to Worlds but it's a sad hard fact that just because your good doesn't mean anything.

Immortals have shown during regular season they are dominate and Great but when the pressure is on(Playoffs) they have chocked and gets eliminated early. If Immortals can't win in their own region I have 0 reason to believe that they can win against other teams in much harder regions.

WhiperSnapersSep 3, 20161 votes

If Immortals can't win in their own region I have 0 reason to believe that they can win against other teams in much harder regions.

If CLG can't win against a team that chokes under pressure I have 0 reason to believe that they can win against other teams in much harder regions.

III BAKURYU III Sep 3, 20161 votes

Fair enough

WatchDogs LegionSep 2, 20162 votes

TBH if Riot didn't give so much point to 1st place Team in the Spring split, CLG nor H2K would of get to go They really fall off the meta and are playing really bad and there is no excuse for that.

III BAKURYU III Sep 2, 20162 votes

I agree with that and while CLG has fallen off they missed a good part of the Summer Split meta and didn't get much time to adapt. I would also agree that while Cloud 9 and Immortals have improved while CLG has fallen off it's still 50/50 as far as Fallen off or improvement goes.

Cloud 9 and Immortals while they were decent during Spring they were not that Great while during the Summer they have Improved Greatly. While CLG were Great in the Spring Split/MSI but did fall off during the Summer Split.

I actually like that Riot made the Spring split matter and did up a point system instead of 1 split being 100% Useless for so long and the summer split on mattering it makes watching the Spring Split actually entertaining and matter.

Thank you for commenting and posting your thoughts

TurquoiseYoshiSep 3, 20161 votes

H2K got fourth in Spring, and handily beat every team except Splyce (who they nearly took down) that could have contested them in the gauntlet.

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III BAKURYU III Sep 3, 20162 votes

I don't understand what your saying ? Are you saying H2K deserves to go to Worlds or what? Sorry

Angry MonsterSep 2, 20162 votes

Something wrong with your post. You are using the word deserves not earned. They earned the points and earned the right to be trash at worlds. They did this by be the strongest when NA was at its weakest, and being mediocre when NA got its act put together. Congrats?

Personally points should be 3rd seat after the gauntlet and the gauntlet should also give points for moving through it. How this would look i am not sure, but more weight needs to be on the 2nd seed for current performance getting 4th at the end of the split is not inspiring.

winning the 1st half of a split give to many points for a meta that riot has proven that is willing to change at a drop of a hat. Inflexible teams get punished by Riots last minute changes and look like jokes on the world stage.

III BAKURYU III Sep 3, 20163 votes

Indeed CLG did earn not deserve good point.

Trash at Worlds maybe they will be trash maybe they won't but we will have to wait and see. CLG was trash at MSI where they finished 2nd behind the World champions SKT right?

Points should be the first in my opinion it shows the true overall great teams through out the year. Overall points should be the 1st-2nd and 3rd qualify options in my opinion. The gauntlet shouldn't give points to the losers of the split makes 0 sense at that point. The gauntlet should be difficult because it weeds out the trash teams from the decent teams that already had their chance at winning but failed, teams like

Cloud 9- A team that doesn't show up 1 split but shows up in the other, congrats ?

Immortals - A team that was built to destroy NA and ... they did in the ... regular season, Congrats ? but when it mattered they chocked and got swept or lost 3-2 by 3 games being 100% lost by dumb plays GJ.

So Cloud 9 who by your logic is somewhat mediocre because for 1 split they were 3rd but finished tied for 5th in playoffs after being eliminated by the 6th seed. #Mediocre.

Or Immortals a team that can't win when the pressure is on(Playoffs) in their own "weakest" region NA but suppose to WIN internationally?

Thank you for posting and commenting Have a Good One

Angry MonsterSep 4, 20161 votes

Cloud 9- A team that doesn't show up 1 split but shows up in the other, congrats ?

You mean that they were able to play a more relevant meta? Sure they deserve some praise at least they are not asking to be brought into worlds on the tails of a TSM/double lift victory.

Keep in mind that i am not saying C9 will do well. Just that they have been consistently better than CLG. (2nd split)

Getting first in one split and then being a mediocre 4th cause of the inability to adapt is not inspiring. Riot consistently throws competitive under the bus for "interesting" meta changes. I prefer that the most adaptive teams go not the ones that never excelled.

I watched MSI, it might of been the biggest joke of a tournament since season 2 worlds internet failure. The Koreans were sick for the first half, EU did not even come to play and China showed they are all talk and no show. NA preformed better than expected after taking all of those things in to account; that is how low the bar was. So saying CLG did fine at MSI is meaningless to me.

At this point and time I think TSM is the only team that has a real shot at worlds (in NA); IMO. CLG let MSI blind them and hinder there growth; plus they were dependent on the lane swap meta. C9 has holes in there game play and is not consistent enough at this point. The hunger is there for c9 but they openly admit to learning right now on how to be a team; high hopes next year. Immortals are there own problem, they count on the abuse of cheese (off meta picks) to over whelm and win games. That works short term but fails off through a patch or tournament cycle.

You seem to be to worried supporting CLG at no matter what the cost. You fail to understand why people do not want them. Its a performance thing, not a anti CLG thing.

III BAKURYU III Sep 4, 20161 votes

I hear you dude!

MSI .. While it was fun to watch as a fan as I enjoy watching "competitive games" that go around 40+ mins ( I just like longer games instead of 20 min stumps ) but for the teams I'm sure they were mad at themselves because each team with the exception of Eu/IWC at least 1-2 games each team was up like 10K in gold and the games still lasted on average 40 mins.

Royal vs CLG / Royal was up 4 dragons by the 20 something min mark and the game ended at the 46-47 min mark while they were also up 10K in gold, just bad play from them and while it does make CLG look good it was also a bad performance from most of the teams at MSI.

I see your points and excellent thinking dude ;].

IF CLOUD 9 IMMORTALS and COUNTER LOGIC GAMING improved on certain things for example

CLOUD 9/ Jensen needs to not panic 24/7 when the going gets tough I see so many fail summoner 4 and just horrible plays from him but it doesn't help that Meteos leads the way that forces Jensen into those plays. Impact needs to be on par with his team late summoner 12 doesn't help either. Smoothie needs to do something in certain plays most of the time he just stands there doing nothing while his team gets deleted. OVERALL Communication- if C9 can get most of their early game and can communicate with each other I would love to see this team at Worlds. Howeve Losing 3-1 in the Finals and having to win 2 series might get to them and start to creep back into their minds of tilting.

IMMORTALS/ Ok at times this team looks EXCELLENT just WORLD BEATERS other times meh... and it's not the shotcalling that is the issue it's just the players and their methods. I'm not going to beat around the bush so I'll just say that Pobelter tilts easily you can see it in his play and on his face each game when he dies or when team is in a losing effort. I would not be surprised if Immortals gets Fenix to replace Pobelter and Piglet to replace Wildturtle just a thought but it might not be allowed with the LMQ issue a while back and having to have less import players on a team. Reignover is great but he can't 1v5 each game and his team isn't set up to do much either.

X Huni either gets camped or needs to get Reignover to camp for him or he will fall of the face of the earth. X Pobelter doesn't do anything he is more a utility Mid that farms but at the World stage their will be Mids that can farm and make plays something POE just can't do. X Adrian for the most part plays heal mages and anything else he either does decent but loses or just looks off and loses anyways. He's a player that just sits in the back and heals and when a team has a heal mage as a support it means their a weak team with no tank so it's easy to just pick them off and easy to kill.

While I do support CLG in some ways as they did earn enough points I will admit that Yes they don't look as strong as C9 or IMT at the moment but the gap isn't that huge as IMT barely defeated CLG in a 3-2 series with 3 of the games being 50+ mins.

Overall I understand your arguments and points and I'm enjoying reading your posts! NOT SARCASM as you do make good discussions !

xTropicalPenguinSep 2, 20161 votes

If c9 or imt should deserve to go to worlds than they should have won more. That's it.

WhiperSnapersSep 3, 20161 votes

lol should have won more... I guess winning 35/40 matches isnt winning enough

xTropicalPenguinSep 3, 20162 votes

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lol should have won more... I guess winning 35/40 matches isnt winning enough

Nope! Didn't win what counted, which is standard for imt

WhiperSnapersSep 3, 20161 votes

If c9 or imt should deserve to go to worlds than they should have won more. That's it.

you said they should have won more, i simply brought up the fact that they won more than any other team. If you meant that they didnt win when it counted, you should have said that originally instead of trying to lead people to believe that they didnt win enough

Miror BSep 3, 20161 votes

I'm all for CLG going to worlds. Whether they'll actually win a game there all depends on how lucky they are at group selection (as unless they nab a FW/SSG/H2K pool then they're almost certainly not going to finish with more than 1-2 wins). I'll post my "tier list" for the worlds teams once all of them are announced, but as it stands right now I'd rank CLG around the mid/bottom with the likes of SSG and I-may.

III BAKURYU III Sep 3, 20162 votes

I will be expecting your post and I would like to read it etc and we can talk about our thoughts.

Yeah for some reason I just think H2K will punch some powerhouse team in the mouth if it's NA or LPL or who ever i may be but it will be a wake up call just a hunch I have wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be TSM.

Flash Wolves very underrated and I would go as far to say Karsa and Maple should be in the top 20 Players at Worlds similar to last year. I see Flash Wolves advancing but it's too early to say to much without the group draw.

SSG just saw their KT game just now and meh not very impressed for some reason KT just looked horrible like 3-4 weeks ago KT looked like they were the 2nd best LCK team but they died in that series but I would say their MID/ADC didn't show up for the most part. SSG team fight is ok but the positioning lacks greatly.

JimmyNtheKudosSep 4, 20161 votes

I really think we need to cut them some slack... TSM was on a whole other level this split... IMT and C9 were only slightly better than CLG. So adding all that up CLG can be easily placed in the 2-3 spot if they play either team gain.

Though, I think that this should serve Riot as a lesson that they need something better than the point system to assure we get the best possible teams at worlds. Even if that means only guaranteeing the #1 spot, and having to play for the other two.

macdshiftySep 4, 20161 votes

You can make the argument that CLG deserves to go to world's but your arguments are pretty bad. Winning Spring split only matters artificially (because riot said so) and doesn't make them a better candidate to represent NA in the present, same thing with the msi argument. Since league changes so much, past accomplishments is a sub-optimal argument. Also the argument that they advanced in semis while c9 didn't in spring is also bad for both the previous reason, and the fact if you look at the context c9 was unlucky tsm got 6th and had to face them in quarters, both CLG and c9 lost to finalist tsm.

Personally I would argue for current merits because those are what matter Ex. They had plenty of support staff issues coming into playoffs which could explain why their drafts were suspect, and since the trio of imt, CLG, and c9 are incredibly close, it won't be a huge travesty if CLG goes instead of say imt.

III BAKURYU III Sep 4, 20161 votes

I would rather have a team that has represented the FULL YEAR better than a team that is just a summoner 4 in a pan.

Winning Spring Split is very important yes it only gives points but as well as the overall scheme of things like MSI that determines what regions get what pools etc.

" Personally I would argue for current merits because those are what matter Ex. They had plenty of support staff issues coming into playoffs which could explain why their drafts were suspect, and since the trio of imt, CLG, and c9 are incredibly close " ^^^^ Indeed I wish C9 AND IMT could go to worlds and the skill cap between CLG-C9 and IMT are close but I DID'T MAKE THE RULES! it is what it is!

Nice points and arguments

macdshiftySep 4, 20161 votes

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I would rather have a team that has represented the FULL YEAR better than a team that is just a in a pan.

Winning Spring Split is very important yes it only gives points but as well as the overall scheme of things like MSI that determines what regions get what pools etc.

" Personally I would argue for current merits because those are what matter Ex. They had plenty of support staff issues coming into playoffs which could explain why their drafts were suspect, and since the trio of imt, CLG, and c9 are incredibly close " ^^^^ Indeed I wish C9 AND IMT could go to worlds and the skill cap between CLG-C9 and IMT are close but I DID'T MAKE THE RULES! it is what it is!

Nice points and arguments

From a pure "strongest candidate" point of view it doesn't really matter how long the team has been dominant, if there was another huge patch slated for before worlds then I would agree. However, since the change that teams will have to adapt to has already occurred, hypothetically a team could be shit all year until right now, if they went to worlds then they deserve it. That's why I brought up the problem with their coach because they were at a significant disadvantage adapting to the patch if their support staff is literally bedridden. That's why it isn't entirely fair to be extra critical of their drafts (ie, people bashing them for relying heavily on Aur Sol). Even with their problems they had good understanding of how to rotate on the patch. I don't make the arguments for excusing their recent failures sake, but that I feel while they haven't done well recently, the reasons why they failed will most likely not be still plaguing them by the time they start worlds (as opposed to a team such as Liquid, who would not be able to sort out their issues).

III BAKURYU III Sep 4, 20161 votes

True True !!

I'm just worried what a team that only gets hot during the summer split can do at worlds and I don't want that for NA not this year!!!