LCS is a poke game now

xJLx MCHammer·Jul 2, 2015·7 votes·1,088 views

Talk about boring

Seeing HP bar go down from 100 to 50% hp while the analyst and caster talk about how X champions hp went down from 2 screen away.

Fun champ

35 Comments

RueianJul 2, 20155 votes

Complaints about the meta not being interesting is the reason why i dont like the rise of esports. People just want something exciting to watch but when it comes down to the intricacies of the game they really dont care. You want to see face rolling, not skill.

These kinds of games arn't like fighting games, where its always Toe to Toe fighting. There is alot more to it. Like RTS/TCGs, its not super exciting all the time but watching how much thought people have to put into build order / deck composition, etc. That is what high level play is all about.

YOU SO BADJul 2, 20152 votes

THIS

"People just want something exciting to watch but when it comes down to the intricacies of the game they really dont care. You want to see face rolling, not skill."

D1egendJul 2, 20152 votes

agreed

xJLx MCHammerJul 2, 20151 votes

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Complaints about the meta not being interesting is the reason why i dont like the rise of esports. People just want something exciting to watch but when it comes down to the intricacies of the game they really dont care. You want to see face rolling, not skill.

These kinds of games arn't like fighting games, where its always Toe to Toe fighting. There is alot more to it. Like RTS/TCGs, its not super exciting all the time but watching how much thought people have to put into build order / deck composition, etc. That is what high level play is all about.

Holy hell

There is nothing mechanical about throwing random long range AOE attacks while contesting something. RTS has nothing to do with that. The strategy has always been in the game no matter the META. The meta is just the type of playstyle

Before this poke meta, the focus on the map was still the same. Lane swapping, and contesting the dragon/baron/turret. There is not much to that. The problem I have is that the poke meta is boring, you can still have strategy in a game by tuning the way it works.

YOU SO BADJul 2, 20152 votes

Poke champs rise in the meta when tank champs do as they can put meaningful damage output while not being in range of engages from super tanks.

While i agree its not the most exciting meta.

The current meta requires alot more skill and team cohesion then the assassin spam qwer insta pop meta of last season.

"The problem I have is that the poke meta is boring, you can still have strategy in a game by tuning the way it works."

so your option is tuning the ENTIRE game so poke metas dont work because there isnt enough action for you?

XD oh my good luck with that.

xJLx MCHammerJul 2, 20151 votes

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Poke champs rise in the meta when tank champs do as they can put meaningful damage output while not being in range of engages from super tanks.

While i agree its not the most exciting meta.

The current meta requires alot more skill and team cohesion then the assassin spam qwer insta pop meta of last season.

so you option is tuning the game so poke metas dont work because there isnt enough action for you?

XD oh my!

First of all, as all shout caster have said, teams have more strategy in terms of rotation and shot calling. That has nothing to do with poke styles or whatnot. Lane swapping, freezing lanes..etc are what is considered strategy; that has been scaled considerably. More teams are become more tuned to it.

The current meta has nothing to do with that. Even with Assassin, lane swaps, freezing lanes..etc would still be prevalent. The difference is, those assassins got nerfed.

YOU SO BADJul 2, 20151 votes

Uh you didnt respond to anything i said?

Yes strategy still exists without poke comps.

no one is arguing that point?

It takes more skill to dodge poke coming at you and land poke on enemy's then it does to press q w e r that auto targets. Its not debatable.

You posted: "The problem I have is that the poke meta is boring, you can still have strategy in a game by tuning the way it works."

so your option is tuning the ENTIRE game so poke metas dont work and making 20-30 champs useless.. because its "boring" in your opinion.

XD oh my good luck with that.

The entirety of your posts can be summed up to

QQ I dont like Poke champs :(

xJLx MCHammerJul 2, 20151 votes

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Uh you didnt respond to anything i said?

Yes strategy still exists without poke comps.

no one is arguing that point?

It takes more skill to dodge poke coming at you and land poke on enemy's then it does to press q w e r that auto targets. Its not debatable.

You posted: "The problem I have is that the poke meta is boring, you can still have strategy in a game by tuning the way it works."

so your option is tuning the ENTIRE game so poke metas dont work and making 20-30 champs useless.. because its "boring" in your opinion.

XD oh my good luck with that.

The entirety of your posts can be summed up to

QQ I dont like Poke champs :(

You can't possible say that Throwing constant poke takes more skill that certain champs like LB that require mechanics. There is no skill involved with Jayce using QE combo from 2 screens away, there is no skill involve in dodging it when you can't see it coming. Lee sin, Cass, Viktor require skill, jayve throwing only poke mid-late game is much like Nid 1 year ago.

I said TUNING in terms of nerfing it a bit. Right now, it's all baseless, with no strategy in mind. It's a lot like Nid; just constant random throws in hopes that one-two hits so that you can force the enemy off the objectives

You seem to think I'm talking about laning phase, which I am not. Poking in laning phase is okay, part of strategy and the game. I'm also not against poke entirely. I like Corki's poke for example; it is strong early-mid game, but by late game, he scales down.

YOU SO BADJul 2, 20151 votes

"You can't possible say that Throwing constant poke takes more skill that certain champs like LB that require mechanics."

I don't have to say it. Its not debatable. That's the reason its called a skill shot yo. Having a chance of not landing an ability vs guaranteed landing of it.

"There is no skill involved with Jayce using QE combo from 2 screens away, there is no skill involve in dodging it when you can't see it coming."

If they are screens away the Jayce wouldn't have vision on them and the entire shot would be based the jayce player "predicting where the enemy is" which is skill. The only other way is if you warded and had vision to make sure your poke lands form 2 screens away. But that would fall under strategy which means again your wrong.

Additionally: poke can be dodged if your reaction time is fast enough! again skill.

Additionally again: The enemy can track shock blast and acceleration gate to help dodge these. Again strategy.

You dont know what your talking about.

Have a great day.

xJLx MCHammerJul 2, 20151 votes

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"You can't possible say that Throwing constant poke takes more skill that certain champs like LB that require mechanics."

I don't have to say it. Its not debatable. That's the reason its called a skill shot yo. Having a chance of not landing an ability vs guaranteed landing of it.

"There is no skill involved with Jayce using QE combo from 2 screens away, there is no skill involve in dodging it when you can't see it coming."

If they are screens away the Jayce wouldn't have vision on them and the entire shot would be based the jayce player "predicting where the enemy is" which is skill. The only other way is if you warded and had vision to make sure your poke lands form 2 screens away. But that would fall under strategy which means again your wrong.

Additionally: poke can be dodged if your reaction time is fast enough! again skill.

Additionally again: The enemy can track shock blast and acceleration gate to help dodge these. Again strategy.

You dont know what your talking about.

Have a great day.

HAHHA

jayve a skill shot?

What is Cass Q? What is LB abilites? Lee Sin? All skill shot

Jayve skill shot is a rapid moving AOE long range poke. That's not really a skill shot.

Wards give you vision, there is little prediction when enemy is defending tower, you shoot around that area, normally there is 5 ppl there. common, you can't be that thick headed.

Tracking the blast shock is not strategy OMG

Dude, go to school, learn terminology

YOU SO BADJul 2, 20151 votes

You dont sit under tower vs jayce or any poke/siege comp you engage on him making his poke useless. Just stop.

Now your arguing over the definition of the word skillshot?

Haha thank you! i needed a good laugh!

Iv been to school and beyond thank you.

Maybe you should take your own advice.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/esports/kEIWRuIc-professional-analystcoachstrategist-seeking-master-tier-team

Best of luck,

You So Bad

RueianJul 2, 20151 votes

Playstyle =/= Meta

This is another thing i really dont like Learn what Meta and Metagame means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming

YOU SO BADJul 2, 20151 votes

Yeah they have made it pretty clear they dont know what they are talking about.

RueianJul 2, 20151 votes

The problem is even people who do know what they are talking about use it wrong. So many people are misinformed on what it actually means.

YOU SO BADJul 2, 20152 votes

Id say atleast 70% of people who use it dont know what it means and that just leads to others using it wrong and so on.

People would rather be ignorant and think they are right about somthing then admit they might be wrong and learn something.

TurquoiseYoshiJul 3, 20151 votes

Thanks for intruding on a conversation that you really had no part in, just to assert your dominance. ~~Asshole~~

YOU SO BADJul 3, 20151 votes

I was the first one to post in this thread.

Furthermore: This is a comment about a reply to a comment of mine.

Hes talking to the same person i was saying the same points. This is all attached to the conversation so i don't really know what your talking about.

Maybe you need to learn how to read the forums properly.

Stop hating,

Take your own advice as your the only one " intruding on a conversation that you really had no part in, just to assert your dominance. Asshole" HERE!

K Thnx Bye,

Bad Out

Poorly DressedJul 2, 20152 votes

Varus vs. Jayce is the absolute best lane match to watch - said like no one ever :D

D1egendJul 2, 20152 votes

KOGMAW!!!!!! (i am a kogmaw main XD) i definitely don't think its unhealthy as in competitive atleast there are MANY ways around this kind of thing.

xJLx MCHammerJul 2, 20152 votes

You just called Jayce a skill shot but didn't LB, Lee Sin, Cass, Viktor...etc

That's what is dumb of you

YOU SO BADJul 2, 20151 votes

Yeah they have to be trolling at this point.

IcyPepperJul 3, 20152 votes

Please respond to comments if you're talking to someone.

Because you're calling nobody dumb...

xJLx MCHammerJul 2, 20151 votes

It's not just laning, it's everything. They just run to objectives, whether it's dragon, towers, or baron, and it's all about poking down. Sivir is an auto pick/ban because she capitalizes on someone being poked down. Oh look, Jayce just poked X champion to 20% hp, lets pop sivir ult

It's just too dumb.

YOU SO BADJul 2, 20151 votes

Poke champs rise in the meta when tank champs do as they can put meaningful damage output while not being in range of engages from super tanks.

While i agree its not the most exciting meta.

The current meta requires alot more skill and team cohesion then the assassin spam qwer insta pop meta of last season.

Regardless of the meta there will always be people who hate it and wish it was another way.

People started complaining about how op assassins were and we landed here after a few patches and items being added to the game.

Eventually the same thing will happen again and the meta will shift and you will be back here posting the same type of thread.

Not hating just saying haha :)

MLDzXnRRRJul 2, 20151 votes

Sivir is all-in champ, not really poke, you have to play immobile team to get hit by her Q.

DudeFuckJul 2, 20151 votes

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Sivir is all-in champ, not really poke, you have to play immobile team to get hit by her Q.

Its her ult being able to capitalize on poke, not her poke itself.

xJLx MCHammerJul 2, 20152 votes

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Sivir is all-in champ, not really poke, you have to play immobile team to get hit by her Q.

It's not her poke. It's her ultimate.

If a team has her on their team, and the same team gets a lucky poke on the opposite team, Sivir capitalizes very easily. Or, if a team gets poked down, sivir pops ult to run away.

xJLx MCHammerJul 2, 20151 votes

You can add RuneGlave Ez to the list guys

xJLx MCHammerJul 3, 20151 votes

Love how you edited the post

You talk about engaging on them? How with so it right? You mean the champs that's nearly a pick or ban at the moment?

Face it, the past 2 week, Jayce and Varus have been picked much more than any other mid laner. You still don't seem to grasp that I'm not looking for poke to be gone completel, just tuned down. It's cleary too good at the moment

IcyPepperJul 3, 20151 votes

Eh, it's more fun than the League of Assassins.

xJLx MCHammerJul 3, 20151 votes

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Eh, it's more fun than the League of Assassins.

Without a doubt, doesn't mean poke champs should not be tuned a bit

IcyPepperJul 3, 20151 votes

Maybe?

The problem champions should get a love tap, I suppose. Not sure about Jayce, but you can probably blame item 3285 for a lot of poke balancing.

knights of fireJul 3, 20151 votes

who is better? evelynn or jax?

xJLx MCHammerJul 3, 20151 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/07/red-post-collection-mystery-icons.html

Clearly Reds agree

AbyssphereJul 4, 20151 votes

It is very boring. I really don't mind pokey champions if there's at least something else to it - Nidalee sits back and throws spears but if she lands a spear she doesn't just sit back and throw another one to get the kill, she jumps into cougar form and actually gets into a reasonable range to get the kill.

Jayce can get triples without ever using any abilities bar his Acceleration Gate + Shock Blast combo. It wasn't too long ago that happened in the LCS. Varus just spams his Q off cooldown, Kog'Maw spams his ult. I'm fine with pokey champions if they at least use the rest of their kit but I can't stand champions like Varus and Jayce where one ability is all they need to be strong. You could take away Jayce's melee form entirely and the difference would be negligible. He never has to use it unless he's on his own clearing waves.