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Two Picks I am Really Getting Tired of Seeing

Mat7itan··2 votes·692 views
  1. Gangplank - Why Gangplank has such a high ban rate is beyond me. Sure he does a ton of damage with his barrels, but those require a very telegraphed set up and are countered by basically any ranged champ. His early game is terrible so it's really easy to bully him out of lane, and because he requires at least three items before any possible game changing power spike he just does nothing for a long time. I have yet to see a Gangplank do anything this split.

  2. Quinn into Malphite - Sure Quinn wil make Malphite's life hell during laning phase, but after just a couple items Quinn can no longer do anything to Malphite who late game can stop and most likely kill Quinn when she splits because she is full damage he is full tank making it so Quinn does nothing to Malphite, but Malphite does a lot to Quinn. And when Quinn isn't split pushing and is grouped with the team for fights she may offer a lot of damage, but Malphite offers a ton of utility, and he is a tank. He can soak up a lot of damage, where as, Quinn can take very little damage.

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Ruin Lance1 votes

gangplank has global presence, when combined with good coordination is ridiculously good. his barrels are great for zoning and you can nearly 1 shot squishies if you manage to land a barrel on them. even if gangplank's early game is not that great he can still zone people with the barrels and he mainly focuses on farming anyway.

Mat7itan1 votes

These are good points, but the zone control is relatively weak compared to a lot of other champions that could be picked. It has a very distinct counter. However, this combined with his global presence is something very few other champions provide, but he isn't super great at either of them. While having both and not being great at either is good because it gives you more way to play around him it seems to me that it is typically better to be at either end of the spectrum and not right in the middle. Champions with better zone control can typically keep their opponent under tower allowing them to roam and make plays around the map while their lane opponent has to stay under tower or risk missing a lot, and champions who have a better global presence like Twisted Fate (who also comes with much better CC) are more likely to be able to pull off the plays that will keep them from getting behind while roaming.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Gangplank just has a large number of assets. Global ult, Grasp/Sheen + Q, 1.2k AoE shredding, etc. It makes him a little too strong, even if he's not played very well.

But yeah, I hate Quinn into Malphite. Reminds me of Darius into Gnar/blind Darius at Worlds, people kept doing it and kept losing in the pick/ban phase.

TenshouSNK1 votes

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Gangplank just has a large number of assets. Global ult, Grasp/Sheen + Q, 1.2k AoE shredding, etc. It makes him a little too strong, even if he's not played very well.

But yeah, I hate Quinn into Malphite. Reminds me of Darius into Gnar/blind Darius at Worlds, people kept doing it and kept losing in the pick/ban phase.

Well, huni beat malphite as quinn against c9

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

That's because they're IMT. Huni didn't do very good and was carried by Wildturtle's absolute dominance on Kalista and Reignover's newfound carry potential with Nidalee.

TenshouSNK1 votes

But huni has great potential as Quinn too no?

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Yes. He also has great potential on Ekko, who we haven't seen in top lane since he was released. He also has great potential on Cho'Gath, who we haven't seen since late spring in the mid lane. His champion pool is enormous and he's looked worst on Quinn.

TenshouSNK1 votes

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Yes. He also has great potential on Ekko, who we haven't seen in top lane since he was released. He also has great potential on Cho'Gath, who we haven't seen since late spring in the mid lane. His champion pool is enormous and he's looked worst on Quinn.

The word is that he is the best Quinn on NA. Possibly best in world. Is that true?

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I mean, he might be the best LCS Quinn in NA, which wouldn't be hard as I've seen some god-awful Quinns in NA. In the world, I'd have to do far more research. And in any case, there's probably some Diamond 2 Quinn one-trick who's better than most LCS players who have picked her up recently.

B00B001 votes

erm, ekko has been seen top in EU last split a fair bit as had cho.

maybe not in NA but in EU and the rest of the world there not new picks.

and Huni plays a great ekko but no where near the best.

TenshouSNK1 votes

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That's because they're IMT. Huni didn't do very good and was carried by Wildturtle's absolute dominance on Kalista and Reignover's newfound carry potential with Nidalee.

Why do other lcs teams ban quinn when they are against imt? Quinn is weak meta like you said.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

Because nobody knows how to ban against IMT because nobody has ever had a good draft or match against them.

TenshouSNK1 votes

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Because nobody knows how to ban against IMT because nobody has ever had a good draft or match against them.

I mean do they ban quinn because of Huni?

B00B001 votes

you can't ban huni you need to bait him into a pick and draft around it, you also can't ban reghinover either you just need to hurt and disrupt his early play then he can tilt, same with Huni just like they did at worlds.

personally there bot lane is doing more heavy lifting right now i believe, (of course as a team they look ok too, i say ok as the rest of NA look more DynamicQ teams in comparrision atm)

B00B001 votes

its not newfound, he's extremely good on a lot of other jungles too, its just that Rek Sai is his preferred pick and compliments his early game dominance.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

It's newfound as in I haven't seen him as a primary carry until this split with IMT. Maybe it's because he never got the opportunity on FNC, but I didn't expect him to play this well on everything this split.

B00B001 votes

did you watch them in EU last split? it was 90% Huni Carry, and if he didn't carry specifically HE snowballed febiven.

Mat7itan2 votes

He got solo killed by Balls, and overall did very little in that game. Honestly Huni got carried.

QQsha1 votes

Quinn into Malphite isn't nearly the same thing as Darius into Gnar.

  1. The lane is closer for Darius vs Gnar at all times. Quinn pre-6 has a large advantage in the lane due to her ranged advantage and auto attacks costing no mana, while post-6 HEAVILY favors Malphite due to his ult to close the gap and burst Quinn. Darius vs Gnar favored Gnar slightly early, and a large amount after, but not to the point where you can't lane at all. Quinn can't lane vs Malphite post-6 anytime his ult is up. Quinn HAS to roam, which Huni did pretty well against C9.
  2. Darius had massive utility and lategame scaling. Sometimes it doesn't matter if you outlane Darius into the floor, he'll still be a respectable teamfight presence if played right or if your team slips up. I had a Darius at something like 0/6 at 20 minutes with at least a 50 cs lead and he still triple killed my team when they ambitiously invaded the enemy jungle (and I got a 3 man ult). It was like a 5 for 1 or 2 trade in their jungle. We went on to win the game anyways, but at the professional level Darius won't end up 0/6. So he'll be much scarier. Quinn on the other hand doesn't require the same level of respect. Yes, she can still pick people off randomly and snowball off of that, but lategame you'll still make her (and her team) shit their pants everytime you press R (whereas it took more skill to do that with Gnar).
  3. Even though Darius lost lane in nearly every game against Gnar, he had a greater lategame impact more often than not. Gnar almost always dunked Darius in lane but Darius still had a 60% winrate or something in those games. I don't know Quinn's winrate against Malphite in professional games, but I'm pretty sure it's abysmal. There's like no win condition for Quinn other than fake a split push then rotate mid and somehow blow everyone up before Malphite can get there (which boils down to: team is fed, pray Malphite wastes shit on me 1v1 while team steamrolls or bait Malphite to the side lane then join team as they steamroll and you watch). In Darius vs Gnar, you still had the option of 3 man grab into something like Viktor blowing everyone up.
TenshouSNK1 votes

Quinn is in every damn game now lol. She is meta pick no?

Mat7itan1 votes

She's good and a meta pick, but everyone picks her into malphite which is a matchup quinn will eventually lose.

TenshouSNK1 votes

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She's good and a meta pick, but everyone picks her into malphite which is a matchup quinn will eventually lose.

So what's the deal with other teams banning Quinn whenever against imt? I mean in the past few weeks.

MeilinII1 votes

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So what's the deal with other teams banning Quinn whenever against imt? I mean in the past few weeks.

It's because Huni has a reputation as a very good Quinn in NA, but I think they're overestimating how good Quinn herself is right now.

B00B001 votes

she's picked for the fast split push and the cross-map movement outside of TP, nothing to do with winning Vs malphite or anyone its just a bonus if they do.

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