Let's stop the EU vs NA trash talk for now

Saezio·Oct 21, 2019·3 votes·2,624 views

It's getting ridiculous. And frankly kind of old. It's fun to trash talk when both regions are at a good spot or when they are near each other. But right now, I think it's more fun to talk about what do people think each of the 3 NA teams need to change in order to be more successful in the future.

I think TL need other NA teams to be more competitive so that their weaknesses are exposed more frequently and during scrims so they can work on those weaknesses. Also, I think Xmithie needs to go, I really like his personality, but I think he has reached his ceiling and isn't providing TL enough advantages to justify his drawbacks. And they need to find ways to win other than putting DL on a carry, having impact soak 25 million atmospheres worth of pressure and perma focusing bot lane. They also need to improve their champion pools. It was too obvious they were not comfortable with too many picks and didn't have enough bans for them.

C9. About C9 I think they need to address their sneaky(or the entire bot lane, not sure how good Zayzal is without watching him with a real 1st class adc) situation. I understand sneaky is a fan favourite, BUT, be it because he doesn't care anymore or because he just is past his prime, he can't go toe to toe with any of the worlds bot laners at all. His Cassio and Heimer and Sona... I don't know how these picks were even considered for him. (Again, like xmithie, I like sneaky as a person and he seems like a genuinely nice and fun guy) The dude was benched when non marksmen meta appeared, and now c9 decide to put him on those non marksmen that they thought he couldn't play for LCS let alone WORLDS. Makes no sense to me. Final point, I think c9 have to commit to either blabber or sven, it's not fair for either of those, they are both really good junglers with distinct differences but it pains me to see Sven was benched after being MVP in lcs. It's like C9 are keeping both so TL can't have one.

Clutch Gaming are not a team I am extremely familiar with, I have only watched maybe 20-30 games of them, so I would prefer to allow someone else to make a case for them first.

P.S. Please no NA vs EU toxicity. Let's talk some sense for once boards.

10 Comments

III BAKURYU III Oct 21, 20192 votes

10 years of being trash is kinda old

GeminiRuneOct 22, 20191 votes

10 years but it's 9 competitive seasons and only the previous 6 of those 9 etched out this pessimistic narrative.

III BAKURYU III Oct 22, 20191 votes

So what are you thinking? NA will just put their hands together and everything will be better? Give it another 6-9 years and maybe well have 2 teams make it to semi-finals?

Best of 3's? Been there done that More Eu, LCK, LPL, LMS(Hell, anywhere but NA for talent)? Yep

What?

It's been 6 - 9 years Gemi! Wake up! You keep thinking about NA with a glass half full mentality but each year another region takes that glass and drinks NA's "milkshake" " I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!"

Are we suppose to just continue to cheer when in doubt even the teams from NA don't even seem to care that much either? Look at some of these pros (D-Lift and Sneaky) were still streaming like 2-3 before the tournament( the start of Main-event) started.

Maybe if people stopped supporting the "Never Advance League of Challenged Stars" they'll get a wake up call and actually improve. We've been cheering for such... and that hasn't mattered. Should we Drew Carey it and be super-duper proud of our "anomaly" semi birth and hope we won't be dog s$it for 20 years following like the Browns?

_To anyone who doubted us and our semi birth can shut the hell up! _ - Following year 5-13( the worst NA record at Worlds) Oh! Well uh.... continue to support the NA LCS because ah........ have faith....ah........ we could win or be competitive within the next ah..... GG! Go next decade

People who talk about " NA just had a bad year" what about the years prior to 2014? What about 2015 where all 3 NA teams were eliminated in groups? Besides 2014 only 1 team has made it out of groups for NA(Cloud 9) great, awesome.
Hell skip the NALCS and just call such " The Cloud 9 invitational"

Talks about how last year with Korea falling off was an anomaly. Does that make NA advancement to Semi-finals an anomaly also?

Is NA a major region? Why does NA have 3 seeds if NA isn't a major region? And if you think at this point NA is a major region... my god. You are literally alone on that matter, friend. MarkZ who has stood up for NA for years has said NA isn't even a major region.

I love NA*[zombie-nunu-tears]* but at this point I don't see the point in watching or caring for it anymore. Not asking NA to win Worlds but show consistency and more than just 1 team making it to the bracket stage.

After the 2020 Worlds and all 3 NA teams are eliminated in groups again I'm sure you'll be saying much of what you've been saying for the past 4-5 years with no substance from NA's showings.

GeminiRuneOct 22, 20192 votes

What I'm thinking is that it was a bad year in general outside of TL pulling an upset over IG to get to MSI Finals. Domestically, teams were giving promise but no absolution. Anyone who watches as much pro League as I do could see the writing in the sand; that this was a possibility. That's why I'm calm as a cucumber for the most part while it's fans like you who are blowing up yet again and at a greater magnitude than ever.

You call it glass half full mentality. I call it being neutral while having a bit of fun here and there. I say it all the time: I'm a fan of the competition as a whole. At least my mentality remains stable.

I mean my god, look back at everything you keep saying! At this point it's easier for you to just insult NA the various ways that you have and bandwagon in these defeatist speeches and ideals from yourself, and others such as MarkZ. You take any bright spot and smear it in negativity to the point its deluded. You hug to history and that's the baseline to everything you bear passion for as a fan. I do not care about that history! I'm not influenced by history to be some belligerent meme whore as you and several others act like! Often irrational. Unable to be reasoned with. That right there is the pathetic part of so called "NA fans."

Major Region. Wildcard. Those labels sicken me. One's used for prestige and the other is used as an insult; an identification of demotion; irrelevant.

You want NA to be successful but you also want to reduce the chances of that being possible. Like what kind of logic is that?! You're already sitting on this arrogant changeless attitude. What next: they only get 2 teams and both teams fail, give them 1? That 1 team goes and fails again, delete the region? I've seen that thought process! And here I am just wondering to myself.

I don't care if I'm alone on the way I think things out. I don't care how next year turns out. At least I can make for wholesome discussion in the now without being a pessimist who has to whine ENDLESSLY about the past and let that influence the future perception.

Lastly I don't really care what you or anyone does. But I will tell you straight up: if it sucks and it's so hard to bear, give up. I've been avid to this scene and boards for years. I'm not tired of NA. I'm tired of ridiculous fans who have lost their passion and keep using only Worlds as a sponge to suck up what hopes they had.

Just....whatever...

III BAKURYU III Oct 22, 20191 votes

So you knew in the back of your mind, ' ok, NA will most likely suck balls(yet again) at Worlds, right? I have no faith as I know they'll underperform cause it's "NA" what else is new, eh?

How is NA much competition? If you are a fan of "competition" why not have 1 out the 3 NA seeds be vacated for another EU team that can take games off LCK and eliminate the LPL favorites by name value(RNG yet again) or have an LCK team that deserved to be a Worlds(KZD) or LPL for that matter(Top Esports).
Yes, I want NA to do well on the International stage but hoping and being realistic are 2 different things.

Ok so NA isn't a wildcard or major/minor region nope, they are just a region that means nothing on the International stage...better? We are just......there

Anyone can say NEXT YEAR over and over and over and over and over and over..... congratulations. The future is the present in due time and later becomes the past- 2020 NA fails yet again( but you'll already think so and know so) you'll be " Next year" " Get with the Present" I've been on the boards for 5+ years also but it's been more of the same.

Have a good one

GeminiRuneOct 22, 20191 votes

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So you knew in the back of your mind, ' ok, NA will most likely suck balls(yet again) at Worlds, right? I have no faith as I know they'll underperform cause it's "NA" what else is new, eh?

Don't spin my expectations as some negative outlook like yours. I think of the ups and downs for every team even if they're a favorite or a no hope.

How is NA much competition? If you are a fan of "competition" why not have 1 out the 3 NA seeds be vacated for another EU team that can take games off LCK and eliminate the LPL favorites by name value(RNG yet again) or have an LCK team that deserved to be a Worlds(KZD) or LPL for that matter(Top Esports).

Flawed logic. I could plug in a regions like Japan to your equation and ask the same question. I'm not trying to be some idealist that wants to monopolize regions to produce "the best competition." Maybe you want to punish the region but that won't make you any more of a fan now will it?

Yes, I want NA to do well on the International stage but hoping and being realistic are 2 different things.

And with that there's always that phase of understanding where you can either say enough is enough and let it go or just keep going because you'll fight through the pain. I want them to do well. But if the teams don't cut it on the right meta, they just don't. Better team on the day wins. At times the better team moves on to win.

Ok so NA isn't a wildcard or major/minor region nope, they are just a region that means nothing on the International stage...better? We are just......there

Your opinion. Not mine.

Anyone can say NEXT YEAR over and over and over and over and over and over..... congratulations. The future is the present in due time and later becomes the past- 2020 NA fails yet again( but you'll already think so and know so) you'll be " Next year" " Get with the Present" I've been on the boards for 5+ years also but it's been more of the same.

Good to know you've already written "Failure" for next year. I won't stop your opinion. I'm just gonna wait and see and evaluate as it comes. If I gave up now I wouldn't be bothering to watch LCS. So you do you.

And good to know you once again misinterpret my "Get with the present" comment from two months ago. Jesus christ, it was just a low bearing rebuttal that was weak in my own opinion! But you know I'm past that. I really don't care about that. Why the hell do you?! Oh wait....right...hugging past. Like NA's failures. Got it!

Enjoy the last word. I'm done now.

giottononfauncazOct 22, 20192 votes

NA fans:

EU teams have no imports 15/15 players are from EU g2/fnc/splyce roasters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDryQi3hNI "I do belive we are not going to beat korea using korean people importing them, I do belive we are going to beat korea using european guys".

3)https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5v0d8o/regarding_korean_imports_in_eu_lcs_the_4_pieces/?sort=top

The import culture is what made your competitive trash. Frankly if I was riot I wouldn't allow imports to play at worlds. During regular season is ok... during worlds no. If you represent NA you must be from NA... if you represent EU you must be from EU. If NA soloq has problems with lack of talent the problem must be faced and not avoided by using imports.

No region can win vs korea if its teams are made of korea second choices players. Like SKT plays with impact top... eventually SKT finds a better top laner and your region is given impact... but it is obvious that if impact isn't in korea anymore it's because korea has grown a new more talented top laner. NA is not able to grow its own talents and that is because of your soloq/streamers/avgplayers being complete garbage and missguided. Like if you just check your streamers they are the majority toxic otps... if people like Tyler1 and yassuo are the "examples" for the NA league culture then no wonder you guys sucks (no offense).

Your region competitive has become a retirement home for 2-3rd choices from EU/KOR instead than NA talents wanting to prove themselves.

Rune OcarinaOct 22, 20191 votes

At this point I kinda want the LCS to fade away. I love the players but man, we as a region royally suck. Don't know what Riot can do here but I feel they could do something to help. Either way, I'm done watching LCS, what a piss poor performance at worlds

giottononfauncazOct 22, 20191 votes

Not watching the LCS is a damage to riot. If you want to punish the NA teams... unfollow them on every media. Sponsors pay them based on their reach. Less reach = Less money. Don't punish riot because teams sucks. If NA fans were smart they should start unfollowing all the teams with imports to give them the message "USE AND GROW NA TALENTS". Send impact, Jensen to retirment. Those are second choice top laner for skt standards and third choice mid laner for EU standards and tell liquid to fucking find talent in your own region.

What the fuck are people thinking? That SKT would just magically give NA the best toplaner? Nhaa SKT found a better top laner in korea and so since Impact became a second choice dish he was given. So a team like liquid really expects to pick second class players from other regions putting them together and magically winning worlds? And retire also DL he is old for this game... new talents.