Poll : What ruins your game the most?
I wanted to see what people thought on this matter.
I wanted to see what people thought on this matter.
definitely irelia
amen
Yeah, don't post this kind of shit in the Player Behavior board.
Because most of the people that lurk in this board section are sensitive to words so would rather want an inter/troll in their game than a verbally toxic player (I wish I was joking lmao).
Post in General Discussion and you'll have people that will make reasonable answers and will not downvote your post for stupid reasons.
I voted for intentional feeding btw. A lot of people know that you can mute a flamer, but you cant mute someone literally inting/trolling your game. And inting/trolling is objectively more harmful to the gameplay experience.
What, you can't handle that verbal toxicity is considered just as bad, if not worse, than is inting?
For the record, I voted irelia just to see the results.
What, you can't handle that verbal toxicity is considered just as bad, if not worse, than is inting?
no it isn't
Poll says otherwise.
Is everyone wrong except for you?
poll says people on the boards - specifically people that lurk in the Player Behavior boards - think verbal toxicity is as bad as inting. im talking about the community as a whole, not the lol boards.
Verbal toxicity isn't actually considered to be worse than trolling/inting. The player behavior board is likely the only place you will ever find where people believe that. But anybody who has actually played the game knows its not the case.
Go post the poll elsewhere. There was a similar one on GD a couple months ago that got similar results.
You just refuse to accept that a plurality of people think verbal toxicity is the worst offense in the game.
A plurality of the player behavior board and GD trolls/weebs, sure. But if you think that people honestly care more about verbal toxicity than feed/trolling, you obviously have not played ranked.
So, multiple forms of evidence to support my claim, versus zero evidence to support yours?
Random board polls aren't evidence. And I don't care for any evidence needed. If you truly believe people think verbal toxicity is worse than trolling/inting, you will be in for a very rude awakening if you ever start playing ranked.
There ya go assuming again. I play ranked on two different accounts, FYI.
You can mute a flamer, sure. But you can't mute the impact it has on your team. If you have a flamer sitting there typing all game, your team will generally start just typing back at them at best not focusing on the game and at worst tilting and starting to feed.
When I played with intentional feeders, everyone else started working extra hard to play the game. I've actually probably won a greater % of games with inters than with flamers.
If verbal toxicity ruins your game that's just sad. There's a mute button for a reason. Everything else is very tilting and by far ruins the games. Also i like to play norms with friends or arams u can't ban irelia there.
preach
Riot.
Also 48 votes on verbal toxicity is bull shit. You can mute a toxic player. You can't stop someone trolling or inting.
I'm super surprised toxicity is high on the list. When I encounter a toxic individual I just mute them. Problem solved. If it were that easy to fix inters. Lol.
People who say gg or games over at the most minor inconvenience.
Funniest thing is that they are usually playing something like Kai'Sa and give up the moment a minor hardship occurs because they assume they will steamroll every single game.
Anyone, who voted verbal toxicity:
Can you explain what effect does it have on your gameplay after you muted them? O.o Just wondering...
Intentional feeding sucks, but whenever i've had it happen in my games everyone else banded together to try to win it. I've had much more fun and success playing with intentional feeders than flamers.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience. Sadly I can not feel the last part, soft inters and inters ruined my games much more than flamers, but probably I am just unlucky :D
Very little effect. But I would rather see effective communication and not have to mute them in the first place.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but from my perspective, what most people label as Intentional Feeding and Trolling (although I would use the word Griefing as you can theoretically Troll without actually griefing or being toxic (playful banter in chat, flashing on the fountain as the game ends, being trolly in a 5-man pre-made where everyone is ok with it (I'd be careful with the last one though heh...)) is incorrect and/or effects me less than verbal toxicity.
I just ban Irellia or play around her... :X
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Very little effect. But I would rather see effective communication and not have to mute them in the first place.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but from my perspective, what most people label as Intentional Feeding and Trolling (although I would use the word Griefing as you can theoretically Troll without actually griefing or being toxic (playful banter in chat, flashing on the fountain as the game ends, being trolly in a 5-man pre-made where everyone is ok with it (I'd be careful with the last one though heh...)) is incorrect and/or effects me less than verbal toxicity.
I just ban Irellia or play around her... :X
Can you elaborate on how you play around her? Is there a champ that can win the midlane against an irelia main 1v1? I mean at level 3 with ignite she stacks passive on minnions along with conqueror and then if you get hit by 1 E (not even joking you can dodge 9/10 E and you still in trouble for the 1 you let hit you) its a kill.
Not trying to derail the topic just curious on how to play around her. Unless you mean send a meatshield against her to lose the minimum and try to punish her with more people later on. which is not very applicable to soloq
Ohh hah... I'm a Sion main. I'm pretty confident I can survive her but I don't expect much more. I'd suggest moving to the opposite side of the map to "play around" her... Sorry I'm not more help... XD
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Ohh hah... I'm a Sion main. I'm pretty confident I can survive her but I don't expect much more. I'd suggest moving to the opposite side of the map to "play around" her... Sorry I'm not more help... XD
Yeah it's like can the rest of my team get a good 4v4 and win it to bail me out of this ? because even if I got tp advantage and she has ignite i need to be 3 screens and preferably no ally minions away from her to complete the tp, which in turn makes her push me in so she got more time to go to the teamfight
It's real rough, I'm in the camp that she is slightly overtuned atm... But I actually think a lot of champions are overtuned to some degree and she might just be the most offensive outlier. That being the case I know I can beat her, I just don't really expect to heh... And I don't see that as a huge problem for the most part since she is my go to ban but I try to live a simple life without much problem if i can.
Since my teammates' mute function is not in my control they can still antagonize the team, lowering team morale and possibly tilting players, which I've witnessed on rare occasions driving people towards throwing the game intentionally. I also will not be able to react to purely text-based shot calls by that person or other strategic chatter of that person which might be of value, potentially lowering team cohesion and therefore my chance to win.
Depending on my personal mood and the specific thing that drove me to muting them in the first place, I might also be pissed off to the point where it has an effect on my concentration. I will admit though, that this happens rarely.
Since my teammates' mute function is not in my control they can still antagonize the team, lowering team morale and possibly tilting players, which I've witnessed on rare occasions driving people towards throwing the game intentionally. I also will not be able to react to purely text-based shot calls by that person or other strategic chatter of that person which might be of value, potentially lowering team cohesion and therefore my chance to win.
Depending on my personal mood and the specific thing that drove me to muting them in the first place, I might also be pissed off to the point where it has an effect on my concentration. I will admit though, that this happens rarely.
A nice point, and to extend on it further, because people will claim that there are pings to communicate and chat text is redundant. Sure a player can communicate every call in the game with pings and never use chat, BUT they can not elect to force a muted person to use pings so that the muting person has information on the calls. And I am not even factoring in wildcard scenarios of pings used incorrectly ( not so rare ) thus forcing one to mute pings from an inflammatory source.
Thank you for your input and for keeping the conversation civilised.
1 minute posted 0 votes 1 downvote. xD gotta love it
1 minute posted 0 votes 1 downvote. xD gotta love it
This is behaviour board, not a good place for an ego boost. If you are looking for a salt mine then sir you just hit the motherload.
This is behaviour board, not a good place for an ego boost. If you are looking for a salt mine then sir you just hit the motherload.
I do not mind the salt at all. But I would prefer the visible salt in getting flamed in comments, not the invisible salt of downvotes xD
i find it funny though. somone was scrolling through read your poll and just went "no"
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i find it funny though. somone was scrolling through read your poll and just went "no"
I mean, maybe I am an arsehole sometimes and I have made enemies in these boards. [cass-cry]

Not sure how people would rather have an inter than somebody whos toxic
As an ARAM player, it's people giving up very early on. Games are winnable if you try, even vs seemingly OP teams. I hate people who queue up just to give up immediately, moreso since I don't usually get the opportunity to start another game. JUST PLAY FFS!
Trolls over inters, why?
With inters you know it's lost. Trolls may lose you the game at 30+min
I would vote the first two at least if I could, but what are these "Trolls (non int non toxic)" of the third option?
Wiki definition of internet troll is "In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive," - Granted, that is more about forum trolls more than gameplay trolls, but gameplay trolls are definitely not "non-toxic". So, what is this poll option about?
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I would vote the first two at least if I could, but what are these "Trolls (non int non toxic)" of the third option?
Wiki definition of internet troll is "In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive," - Granted, that is more about forum trolls more than gameplay trolls, but gameplay trolls are definitely not "non-toxic". So, what is this poll option about?
I wanted to type not verbally toxic but it didn't fit for some reason the box is really small for options. I mean those guys that pick for example teemo support and then proceed to cancel all their autos in your face while not typing anything and they take your farm while they spam laugh when you are dying
Edit: This is an example (hereby referred to as "EXAMPLE"), and stands true if you substitute teemo for any other champion. It is in no way, direct or indirect, implied that picking ANY champion for ANY role should be discouraged and/or considered reportable and/or bannable. The example targets player behaviour and not champion preference.
Teemo support is not trolling. The act of pressing S to cancel AAs and laugh in your face is.
Doesn't that kind of gameplay related trolling belong under "inting"? He is intentionally feeding someone to the enemy (if not himself, his ADC for example in case of a support) by "stealing " the farm/not supporting him when it counts. Thus the "non int" part of the poll option is false.
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Doesn't that kind of gameplay related trolling belong under "inting"? He is intentionally feeding someone to the enemy (if not himself, his ADC for example in case of a support) by "stealing " the farm/not supporting him when it counts. Thus the "non int" part of the poll option is false.
No, for a couple of reasons. The main reason is that both categories exist in our games and are quite easily distinguished by their playstyles. At least to me, there is difference between people running it down each lane past towers and dying and people that refuse to help. Another reason is that (at least from my point of view) you can never pin one's death onto another member of the team, especially if we are talking about a margin of deaths big enough to warrant the use of the term "Intentional feeding" (your support/whatever role didn't help you the first 2 fights why would you all in again expecting them to assist you this time? fool me once shame on you fool me into 10 deaths shame on... can't remember the rest) But mostly because a troll has a way more expanded weaponry than an inter. For example, "accidentally" stealing jungler's first buff or following people around to piss them off. Would you categorise these 2 examples as inting? Wouldn't the terms "refusing to communicate with team" and "negative attitude" be more precise?
Thank you for the answer, and for the record: I mostly agree with you.
You asked if I would categorize those two examples as inting. The answer is: Yes, I would, but I would also know that the current IFS has no chance in hell to detect that kind of inting. It requires manual work at this time (and most likely in distant future too).
About that shame on.. riddle: there are some 'allied' champions whose trolling is very hard to defend yourself from (Tahm and Anivia for example). Well, manual review from Support once someone has been falsely punished will fix that. But that is still in my eyes "inting". However, like I said, I mostly agree with you. It is just this definition of "Non-Int Non-Verbal" troll which I cannot accept existing. No biggie; I can live with the fact that some people can accept that existing. Those people mean well, but are just wrong. ;)
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Thank you for the answer, and for the record: I mostly agree with you.
You asked if I would categorize those two examples as inting. The answer is: Yes, I would, but I would also know that the current IFS has no chance in hell to detect that kind of inting. It requires manual work at this time (and most likely in distant future too).
About that shame on.. riddle: there are some 'allied' champions whose trolling is very hard to defend yourself from (Tahm and Anivia for example). Well, manual review from Support once someone has been falsely punished will fix that. But that is still in my eyes "inting". However, like I said, I mostly agree with you. It is just this definition of "Non-Int Non-Verbal" troll which I cannot accept existing. No biggie; I can live with the fact that some people can accept that existing. Those people mean well, but are just wrong. ;)
Isn't it amazing how many different and partially overlapping ways there are to play the game at your team's expense? When using the term "inting" my mind jumps to intentional feeding and not necessarily intentionally ruining the game, this miscommunication about what each term defines was one of the driving factors to begin this conversation, but truth be told I never expected my views on the subject to be altered within 24 hours of posting.
I salute you on your proper manners and spirit of open minded conversation without pointing fingers and smiting opposing points of view.
Hidden option #5)
Players that don't have basic skills like warding, knowing when NOT to chase, last-hitting, etc etc.
It's a trick question. The answer is inters, obviously. I hate inters the most.
Does that impact my view on the current IFS? No. Inters are the worst, and they are working on being better at detecting them, but that doesn't change any of the current systems.
I hate inters. Everyone does. But I also hate annoying yappy dogs. It just happens that one is easier to take care of than the other.
It's a trick question. The answer is inters, obviously. I hate inters the most.
Does that impact my view on the current IFS? No. Inters are the worst, and they are working on being better at detecting them, but that doesn't change any of the current systems.
I hate inters. Everyone does. But I also hate annoying yappy dogs. It just happens that one is easier to take care of than the other.
Yeah, this conversation's initial purpose was to find out how people feel about these kind of behaviours. But reading all the answers my own view of the whole matter has changed in various ways. For example if people meet a toxic person every 2 games and an inter every 15 games it means they would most likely prefer to deal with the rare inter and never have to deal with toxicity again. Also people that only play normals/arams/RGM are more likely to detest toxicity more and not care about inting as much because their perception of the game is way less competitive and way more fun-oriented. So it was not really a tricky question but there have definitely been a lot of tricky answers.