No other analyst that i have listened to thus far keep inserting their region into their analytics and she does it a multitude of times.
"Guys im from LPL. Hey did you know im from LPL? Dude this happens in LPL all the time--which is the region im from btw if you didn't know. LPL is the best!" Like she HAS to do that.
THAT is annoying. It doesn't make me dislike her as much as everyone else but that IS annoying and unnecessary, i feel.
PhDs Nuts3 votesWhat bugs me is all the other casters/interviewers are dressed formally while she stands out like Chris Tucker in The Fifth Element.
Procella2 votesAnd yet, she looks more classy than the entire analysts desk combined.
[sg-jinx]
Macalla2 votesI think you are being very unfair in your assessment. Most of the statements you singled out, out of context I may add, she said tongue in cheek in humor when they casters were all debating what may happen during a series, forecasting.
I may be biased because she is the only female caster, Sjokz aside.
And there are ZERO female pro players, I keep asking myself why that seems to be.
Kotex1 votesI think you are being very unfair in your assessment. Most of the statements you singled out, out of context I may add, she said tongue in cheek in humor when they casters were all debating what may happen during a series, forecasting.
I may be biased because she is the only female caster, Sjokz aside.
And there are ZERO female pro players, I keep asking myself why that seems to be.
As i mentioned that alone doesn't make me hate her. But i am saying that what she does IS annoying--mentioning shes from LPL as often as she does.
You or me liking her doesn't mean that neither of us can admit than shes being annoying when shes being annoying if thats the case.
That IS being fair. To be biased is not being fair.
Macalla1 votesAs i mentioned that alone doesn't make me hate her. But i am saying that what she does IS annoying--mentioning shes from LPL as often as she does.
You or me liking her doesn't mean that neither of us can admit than shes being annoying when shes being annoying if thats the case.
I guess that's fair, but for me the EULCS casters were the most region favoring, there was one game that Vedius just really ticked me off and Deficio to a degree.
My favorite caster during it all was Crumbz, something about his manner and delivery I did not sense a one-sidedness as much as others.
I wondered what the caster world would be like if they rotated casters in regions for more depth. Like swap out 2 for 2 by region each split.
Sage Idallian1 votesAnd there are ZERO female pro players, I keep asking myself why that seems to be.
Unfortunately, this is a subject that I have a very wide breadth of knowledge with.
Background: I'm 34, and I've been invested in the professional gaming scene since leaving high school back in 2000. Back then, it was Starcraft: Broodwar, Counter-Strike, and Quake. Then Warcraft 3 came along, others, etc etc. I've put together, coached, and worked with MANY different teams over many different games, and it seems that inevitably, this always gets brought up at some point. Every single time I've attempted to integrate women into a team environment, or seen someone else attempt to do it, it almost always ends in complete disaster. I've even started a few "all girl" teams, to see if gender segregation would fix some of the problems I ran into during the co-ed teams, and while it fixed the problems I'd witnessed initially, a whole different mess of problems surfaced, and those were even more difficult to deal with. For the sake of keeping this post somewhat short, and not a dissertation, I'll narrow it down to a few of the largest problems you run into:
Motivation - Men, generally, do not care about social standing when it come to being the best at a specific thing. Even back in the early 2000's, when gaming was still seen as this super underground, nerdy, unpopular thing to do, you still had nerds at all corners of the globe that were trying to beat other nerds and be the best at any specific game. There were no global leader boards, there were no real global tournaments, yet, and there certainly wasn't a prize pool or fame tied to any of it. Men are self driven to do something to prove to themselves they're the best at something, anything, whatever that thing happens to be. Gaming, driving a car a specific way, achieving some specific goal quicker than others. Men are simply far more competitive by nature than women, when it comes to task oriented challenges. Women are far more competitive in social settings. This actually works to the detriment of a cohesive team environment. I'll expand more on this later.
Self - Assessment - This one would probably be the largest point people will have a hard time understanding. People as a whole have a very difficult time when it comes to self assessment. In fact, it's often, especially in League, the primary tool that prevents most people from climbing up the ladder and moving out of bronze and silver, into gold, plat, etc. When people finally DO start to self-assess, women tend to do this much differently than men do. For the sake of ease of understanding, I'll use League as a reference point for example. When men start to self assess in league, they start to look at the things they do incorrectly, and, MUCH MUCH more importantly, -why- they made the decisions they did, the factors that led to the decision, and alternatives to the decision that would have instead netted a favorable outcome. Women tend to have a much different approach when it comes to self assessment that is much more "trial and error" based. While neither of them are wrong in terms of life, since they'll both eventually get you to the right place, in games where patches change very frequently, trial and error causes women to adapt much more slowly than men. This has been the case for as long as I can remember it.
Social Dynamic - This is, easily, the single largest factor in why you'll never see, minus some freak of statistics or a gimmick, female professionals along side male professionals. This is also likely to be the single biggest thing that, for lack of a better word, triggers anyone reading this. Women are, mostly through no fault of their own, entirely destructive to a properly run team environment for the sake of competition. There are a large number of reasons for this, but I'll use the two that are generally the easiest for most people to understand: Emotional control, and, internal competition/strife. So when I say emotional control, it's pretty simple for most people to understand that women tend to be far more emotional creatures than men are. Keyword here: tend.
When you're attacking a set of problems in a team environment, the addition of emotions to the mix is devastating. People's pride gets stepped on, feelings get hurt, regularly, and often in very straightforward and brutal fashion. Again, I'll use league as an example: "Idallian, you went 0/4 in the first 10 minutes of the game. You played risky, you tilted, and from there the Kassadin you were against was able to roam both, twice, and turn bottom lane into a fiesta." Men and women have different internal responses to something like this. Men tend, again... tend to have a response that's more in line with self assessing and attempting to fix the root of the problem. Women's responses tend to be much more emotionally oriented because they fear a loss of social standing inside the group.
The ones that aren't malicious will not really be sure how to deal with it, will self assess poorly, and wind up extremely upset. Remember, men aren't exactly adept at dealing with emotions. When men see a crying female, our natural response to this is to attempt to comfort them, regardless of what is going on. Time is an extremely valuable commodity to a professional team, and spending team consoling anyone, whether male or female, for a few hours a day adds up to a lot of lost scrim time. Additionally, the presence of a woman in a team environment triggers the male brain to behave much differently than it would without them being present. Suddenly, instead of a health team dynamic where you have your team competing against other teams, you now have your team competing internally for the attention of the female. The attractiveness of the female is entirely irrelevant, though admittedly, the more attractive the female, the worse the problem gets.
These are just a few of the reasons you'll never see actual females in competitive league, short of some team gimmick. If you do see a team with a woman on it, they're almost guaranteed to be having a lot of internal struggles and certainly will never be at the top of any tournament. Is it necessarily fair for things to be this way? Certainly not. But it is the way we as people are built. No amount of white knighting or SJW'ing will ever change natures imperative, no matter how goddamned hard we try.
And believe me, I tried for a long, long time to defy nature.
Macalla1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sage Idallian,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=X6Ghd23s,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-10-29T16:48:27.890+0000)
Unfortunately, this is a subject that I have a very wide breadth of knowledge with.
Background: I'm 34, and I've been invested in the professional gaming scene since leaving high school back in 2000. Back then, it was Starcraft: Broodwar, Counter-Strike, and Quake. Then Warcraft 3 came along, others, etc etc. I've put together, coached, and worked with MANY different teams over many different games, and it seems that inevitably, this always gets brought up at some point. Every single time I've attempted to integrate women into a team environment, or seen someone else attempt to do it, it almost always ends in complete disaster. I've even started a few "all girl" teams, to see if gender segregation would fix some of the problems I ran into during the co-ed teams, and while it fixed the problems I'd witnessed initially, a whole different mess of problems surfaced, and those were even more difficult to deal with. For the sake of keeping this post somewhat short, and not a dissertation, I'll narrow it down to a few of the largest problems you run into:
Motivation - Men, generally, do not care about social standing when it come to being the best at a specific thing. Even back in the early 2000's, when gaming was still seen as this super underground, nerdy, unpopular thing to do, you still had nerds at all corners of the globe that were trying to beat other nerds and be the best at any specific game. There were no global leader boards, there were no real global tournaments, yet, and there certainly wasn't a prize pool or fame tied to any of it. Men are self driven to do something to prove to themselves they're the best at something, anything, whatever that thing happens to be. Gaming, driving a car a specific way, achieving some specific goal quicker than others. Men are simply far more competitive by nature than women, when it comes to task oriented challenges. Women are far more competitive in social settings. This actually works to the detriment of a cohesive team environment. I'll expand more on this later.
Self - Assessment - This one would probably be the largest point people will have a hard time understanding. People as a whole have a very difficult time when it comes to self assessment. In fact, it's often, especially in League, the primary tool that prevents most people from climbing up the ladder and moving out of bronze and silver, into gold, plat, etc. When people finally DO start to self-assess, women tend to do this much differently than men do. For the sake of ease of understanding, I'll use League as a reference point for example. When men start to self assess in league, they start to look at the things they do incorrectly, and, MUCH MUCH more importantly, -why- they made the decisions they did, the factors that led to the decision, and alternatives to the decision that would have instead netted a favorable outcome. Women tend to have a much different approach when it comes to self assessment that is much more "trial and error" based. While neither of them are wrong in terms of life, since they'll both eventually get you to the right place, in games where patches change very frequently, trial and error causes women to adapt much more slowly than men. This has been the case for as long as I can remember it.
Social Dynamic - This is, easily, the single largest factor in why you'll never see, minus some freak of statistics or a gimmick, female professionals along side male professionals. This is also likely to be the single biggest thing that, for lack of a better word, triggers anyone reading this. Women are, mostly through no fault of their own, entirely destructive to a properly run team environment for the sake of competition. There are a large number of reasons for this, but I'll use the two that are generally the easiest for most people to understand: Emotional control, and, internal competition/strife. So when I say emotional control, it's pretty simple for most people to understand that women tend to be far more emotional creatures than men are. Keyword here: tend.
When you're attacking a set of problems in a team environment, the addition of emotions to the mix is devastating. People's pride gets stepped on, feelings get hurt, regularly, and often in very straightforward and brutal fashion. Again, I'll use league as an example: "Idallian, you went 0/4 in the first 10 minutes of the game. You played risky, you tilted, and from there the Kassadin you were against was able to roam both, twice, and turn bottom lane into a fiesta." Men and women have different internal responses to something like this. Men tend, again... tend to have a response that's more in line with self assessing and attempting to fix the root of the problem. Women's responses tend to be much more emotionally oriented because they fear a loss of social standing inside the group.
The ones that aren't malicious will not really be sure how to deal with it, will self assess poorly, and wind up extremely upset. Remember, men aren't exactly adept at dealing with emotions. When men see a crying female, our natural response to this is to attempt to comfort them, regardless of what is going on. Time is an extremely valuable commodity to a professional team, and spending team consoling anyone, whether male or female, for a few hours a day adds up to a lot of lost scrim time. Additionally, the presence of a woman in a team environment triggers the male brain to behave much differently than it would without them being present. Suddenly, instead of a health team dynamic where you have your team competing against other teams, you now have your team competing internally for the attention of the female. The attractiveness of the female is entirely irrelevant, though admittedly, the more attractive the female, the worse the problem gets.
These are just a few of the reasons you'll never see actual females in competitive league, short of some team gimmick. If you do see a team with a woman on it, they're almost guaranteed to be having a lot of internal struggles and certainly will never be at the top of any tournament. Is it necessarily fair for things to be this way? Certainly not. But it is the way we as people are built. No amount of white knighting or SJW'ing will ever change natures imperative, no matter how goddamned hard we try.
And believe me, I tried for a long, long time to defy nature.
You bring up a lot of valid points. I am not sure I agree with them all 100%.
How many of the male member are Gay? Does this affect the same way you suggest a female on a team attract the male? (Not looking to get into life choices just thinking about this as being sort of the same thing you suggest happens male/female conflict.)
As with many of TEAM sports women athletes are often all grouped into a (must be a lesbo category) too don't you think, not always the case.
And lastly, if women are so out of it as a sport why are there so many female based champs in the game? There are a ton of them!
I think the biggest problem I have with your assessment is it seems to deal with lumping all things the same. Some women are not social animals, tons of women are damn competitive or else you would not see so many who have managed to break glass ceilings in the business world. Yes, we do approach things differently and its not always a bad thing and yes we are emotional, we are able to let off the stress hurt in immediate release and let us be fair you have many males in the competition that also run on high emotions. Rekkles demonstrated this, I've seen Jensen and Bergsen also, sure there are many others as well.
Competition brings that out in us when the stakes are highly charged, you'd have to be a robot not to be. More disturbing are those people who cannot let the emotion out and internalize it, more damaging to them.
Anyway I am just rambling here but I hope to see this change, this isn't a sport where the physical differences between male female matter a damn so come on girls get out there and show them what ya got! (I wish in my old age I was rich enough to start an all female team and give it a go!)
Real Sexy Yoona1 votesI may be biased because she is the only female caster, Sjokz aside.
I actually enjoy Froskurrin's unique presence (hated it first, got used to it later, and now I like it) But when you bring up gender like that, it's just wrong. It's like Emma Watson saying "America, don't disappoint me! I want a first female president in America".
Instead of talking about Froskurrin's various positive traits as a caster, when you bring up your bias for her being simply female, you loose all credibility.
Raiyza2 votesI just can't stand her hair. Hideous.
Miror B2 votesSee, although Frosk might seem a bit annoying to some, I personally find her quite enjoyable especially in roundtable discussions (see: any of the thorin ones). Although her passion for the LPL may come off as too "over the top" or "canned", the fact she is heavily promoting a region which viewership-wise gets the least english watchers of all major ones isn't necessarily a bad thing. For me, the biggest problem with her is that she doesn't have that "natural" feel as a caster so to speak, in that she brings too much information to things and would do way better being an Emily Rand or Kelsey Moser kind of figure, writing and discussing games instead of live-casting them. On my caster scale though, I'd still rank her low 80s, nowhere near my Captainflowers/"brady tier".
Late For Tea1 votesMy problem with Froskurrin is that she acts like she knows everything, or that the LPL invented everything. "Player X is know for this." (when another caster/analyst points something out about an LPL player). "We have been doing this in the LPL for years." "I have been saying this for a long time."
No, player X isn't known for Y. No, the LPL hasn't been doing everything for years. And no, you haven't said it ever before. Please don't act like you knew everything first, Froskurrin.
StonePlatypus1 votesLet's be real, she is ok at her job. Not amazing mind you, but she isn't incompetent. Problem is her personality, her voice, the hair cut, but most importantly her tattoo. I can't respect someone with such a terrible tattoo in such a bad place. It looks like prison ink, did she actually pay to have that monstrosity put on?
It's a shame too because they don't really have any other female casters/analysts and I feel bad for talking down on such a poor example.
Some of the things she's said in this tournament were flat out wrong or fan-girl-ish. (The again though most casters have bias towards SKT and how they enjoying handling Fakers Poacher's Dirk)
Kotex1 votesLet's be real, she is ok at her job. Not amazing mind you, but she isn't incompetent. Problem is her personality, her voice, the hair cut, but most importantly her tattoo. I can't respect someone with such a terrible tattoo in such a bad place. It looks like prison ink, did she actually pay to have that monstrosity put on?
It's a shame too because they don't really have any other female casters/analysts and I feel bad for talking down on such a poor example.
Some of the things she's said in this tournament were flat out wrong or fan-girl-ish. (The again though most casters have bias towards SKT and how they enjoying handling Fakers Poacher's Dirk)
Thats exactly what i thought about her tattoo when i fist saw it too! "Thats a prison tattoo" lol. But kobe has one too, just not blaring on his neck like her. I agree it is off putting though.
I dont have any tattoos of my own but a lot of jobs i worked at made it clear to ask if i had any obscene tattoos, else i couldn't work for them. Its clear riot does not care about that.
WatchDogs Legion1 votesThats exactly what i thought about her tattoo when i fist saw it too! "Thats a prison tattoo" lol. But kobe has one too, just not blaring on his neck like her. I agree it is off putting though.
I dont have any tattoos of my own but a lot of jobs i worked at made it clear to ask if i had any obscene tattoos, else i couldn't work for them. Its clear riot does not care about that.
How would you know that's a Prison Tattoo and is there even such a thing as that LOL
Not all job are strict about Tattoo, or where its place, and sometime if you do have Tattoo somewhere on your skin, you do have to cover it in order to work
Pretty sure you have no job LOL
Kotex1 votes[{quoted}](name=C9 Rinnegan,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=X6Ghd23s,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-10-29T04:44:48.826+0000)
How would you know that's a Prison Tattoo and is there even such a thing as that LOL
Not all job are strict about Tattoo, or where its place, and sometime if you do have Tattoo somewhere on your skin, you do have to cover it in order to work
Pretty sure you have no job LOL
I dont have a job because.... wait what exactly?
Also you can literally google search prison tattoos because yes there is such a thing. But i don't understand what you mean by me not having a job because i know what a prison tattoo is and you dont? i.... dont get that, sorry?
WatchDogs Legion2 votesI dont have a job because.... wait what exactly?
Also you can literally google search prison tattoos because yes there is such a thing. But i don't understand what you mean by me not having a job because i know what a prison tattoo is and you dont? i.... dont get that, sorry?
I'm sorry you're a hater
I'm sorry you like to discriminate
Actually I'm not sorry LMAO
Kotex1 votes[{quoted}](name=C9 Rinnegan,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=X6Ghd23s,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-29T15:41:33.648+0000)
I'm sorry you're a hater
I'm sorry you like to discriminate
Actually I'm not sorry LMAO
Who am i hating and discriminating on? This isn't even a troll youre just not making any sense :o
ninjagear1 votesi remember when Deficio was new, and he thot EU was gunna take worlds. the other casters trolled him so hard when Fnatic was shit on. he was literately silent during the cast, he was so mad.
i wish they would rip into Frostkurrin that way, but lets be honest, nerds are too nice guys for that.
either way she will prolly be better next year, less overbearing, less jumping to talk first and less 'my way or the highway' with her analysis. i hope.
Procella1 votesI guess maybe if China stops winning and moving up the ladder, she'll stop talking about it.
[slayer-jinx-wink]
Walmart Porn1 votesI just dont like her voice honestly its annoying. any time shes casting i just mute it and watch the game. Honestly idk why riot hired a tumblr reject
Ollerus1 votesI'd just like to point out that PapaSmithy does the exact same thing for LCK, but even worse because when he does it, he puts down every other region to boast Korea over and over. Every caster is bound to have their own preference, no reason to create threads to cry about someone mentioning theres, even if it is fairly frequently. It's quite literally their job to promote those regions.