Final NA team rankings and stats included

III BAKURYU III ·Jan 6, 2017·2 votes·1,832 views

This will be my official and last predictions as far as the NA teams/player's stats are concerned. Down vote - up vote - complain - applaud - rage - IDC Screw it I'm tired!

PHOENIX ONE 14-4 ZIG 2.5 2.5 6.8 259 INORI 2.7 2.1 6.7 135 RYU 4.7 1.9 5.1 306 ARROW 4.5 1.7 6.0 325 ADRIAN 0.6 1.7 11.1 19

COUNTER LOGIC GAMING 12-6 DARSHAN 2.9 2.5 4.9 237 XMITHIE 2.1 2.3 6.9 132 HUHI 3.7 2.0 5.3 301 STIXXAY 4.6 2.1 4.9 318 APHROMOO 0.7 2.6 8.9 27

TEAM SOLOMID 12-6( less total wins than CLG) HAUNTZER 2.5 2.0 6.5 251 SVENSKEREN 2.3 2.1 7.4 130 BJERGSEN 4.6 1.5 5.2 291 WILDTURTLE 4.5 2.0 5.1 297 BIOFROST 0.7 1.9 9.3 23

DIGNITAS 10-8 SSUMDAY 3.3 1.9 6.8 301 CHASER 2.3 2.0 6.1 149 KEANE 4.1 2.3 6.2 308 LOD 4.2 1.9 4.9 327 XPECIAL 0.7 2.8 9.7 38

CLOUD 9 9-9 IMPACT 2.2 2.2 5.9 249 CONTRACTZ 2.1 1.7 7.0 147 JENSEN 4.6 2.1 5.1 328 SNEAKY 4.3 1.7 5.4 307 SMOOTHIE 0.6 2.1 9.7 29

TEAM LIQUID 7-11( More total wins than Fly Quest) LOURLO 2.4 2.1 5.6 239 REIGNOVER 2.7 2.0 7.4 153 GOLDENGLUE 3.2 2.1 5.0 307 PIGLET 4.5 1.7 5.4 311 MATT 0.4 3.0 8.6 30

FLY QUEST 7-11 BALLS 2.1 2.3 5.9 228 MOON 1.8 2.7 5.4 131 HAI 3.9 2.5 5.3 269 ALTEC 4.0 2.2 5.0 300 LEMON 0.4 3.0 8.0 30

ECHO FOX 5-13 LOOPER 3.6 2.3 7.2 244 AKKADIAN 2.6 2.5 8.1 151 FROGGEN 3.6 2.4 5.8 326 KEITH 3.9 2.7 6.4 271 GATE 0.5 2.4 7.8 37

TEAM ENVYUS 4-14 SERAPH 2.7 3.0 6.6 235 LIRA 2.0 3.2 9.0 125 NINJA 4.6 3.1 6.4 265 APOLLO 4.5 2.3 6.8 293 HAKUKHO 1.1 2.1 10.0 39

IMMORTALS 2-16 FLAME 2.9 3.1 4.8 281 DARDOCH 2.5 2.9 6.6 139 POBELTER 3.6 3.1 4.7 289 CODY SUN 2.7 2.3 5.4 281 OLLEH 0.7 3.1 7.9 26

26 Comments

Loco Mot1vesJan 6, 20172 votes

1 . Counter Logic Gaming - Coming into the new season with the same team as last year is a big boost to their ranking.

With Doublelift gone from TSM, I would put these two teams neck and neck with each other until we see how Wildturtle plays with Biofrost. 2 . Team Solomid 3 . Cloud 9

These 3 teams are wildcards for me, in that they have the potential to climb higher because of their strong rosters, but need to see how they play together. Immortals looked decent against Samsung Galaxy, but I wasn't surprised in back to back losses there against one of the top teams in the world. 4 . Pheonix 1 5 . Echo Fox 6 . Immortals 7 . Dignitas

8 . Team Liquid

9 . Fly Quest 10 . Team Envyus

III BAKURYU III Jan 6, 20171 votes

- I agree while I'm not 100% certain CLG will be the #1 seed going into playoffs I am however confident that they will look decent enough to get to playoffs. Let's not count CLG out, but hey whenever people do count CLG out they only win 2 splits in a row, make an incredible MSI performance and a decent Worlds showing; so maybe doubting them will play in their favor.
  This has to be one of the closest group of friends that NA has to offer since the ol' TSM days. I'm not saying TSM isn't close but while some teams have more cut throat decisions CLG does the same but it really feels like a group of true friends.
and 3. TSM-C9 - I think both teams will fall off some not much because both teams have incredible rosters but just because they've been great in the past doesn't mean they will always be great.
Really interesting with how high you have Immortals; more so higher than Dignitas with Ssumday and Chaser on the team. I would love to see your reason that you put Immortals higher than DIG(Ssumday and Chaser) TL(Reignover-Link-Piglet) and a tactical team such as Team FlyQuest.

Ale non è maleJan 6, 20172 votes

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Really interesting with how high you have Immortals; more so higher than Dignitas with Ssumday and Chaser on the team. I would love to see your reason that you put Immortals higher than DIG(Ssumday and Chaser) TL(Reignover-Link-Piglet) and a tactical team such as Team FlyQuest.

If TL will be really forced to sub in Link, it would mean they'll be in serious trouble, because Link was starting to be really bad in his last LCS splits, and since then the level of NA mid lane is increased by a ton because of imports It would be better if Link only stays as veteran presence in the roster to help Goldenglue improve, because he(Link) is surely not going to be LCS caliber

III BAKURYU III Jan 7, 20171 votes

Indeed as bad as Link is now is how bad Goldenglue has always been.

You also gotta look at CLG when he was on it. CLG had so much baggage at the time when Link was on the team. However I'm no fool and once Link left CLG; the next split CLG won their first ever NA split, however CLG won again once D-Lift left the team as well.
I wouldn't be surprised with the break that he took and with a new team he's a top 5 or 6 mid for NA. ( Bjergsen - Hai - Jensen - Froggen - Huhi - Link - Ninja - Keane - Pobelter - Pirean - Goldenglue ) in that order

Ale non è maleJan 7, 20171 votes

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Indeed as bad as Link is now is how bad Goldenglue has always been.

You also gotta look at CLG when he was on it. CLG had so much baggage at the time when Link was on the team. However I'm no fool and once Link left CLG; the next split CLG won their first ever NA split, however CLG won again once D-Lift left the team as well.
I wouldn't be surprised with the break that he took and with a new team he's a top 5 or 6 mid for NA. ( Bjergsen - Hai - Jensen - Froggen - Huhi - Link - Ninja - Keane - Pobelter - Pirean - Goldenglue ) in that order

Nope, it is worse for sure. Goldenglue has not lived up in competitive to the SoloQ performances, but showed here and there flashes, like when he subbed for Slooshi in Team 8 in end of Summer S5 and promotion tournament or some games here and there on CS and even the recent IEM He is BAD and inconsistent by LCS standards if you consider both EU and NA LCS, but if you look only at NA native player pool, he is still one of the best around Link left LCS on a declining curve and on a low note. If you look at the NA mid lane pool of Spring S5, he was far worse than Hai and every midlaner that was worse than Hai was not in Summer 2015 and has not been in LCS as mid laner in S6

http://lol.esportswikis.com/wiki/Special:RunQuery/TournamentPlayerStatsByRole?TPSBR%5Brole%5D=Mid&TPSBR%5Bswitch%5D=Single%20Tournament&TPSBR%5Btournament%5D=Concept:NA%20LCS%202015%20Spring&wpRunQuery=true

VillainousMonkeyJan 13, 20171 votes

Give the the dude a chance. I think Golden glue has a chance to make a name for himself this split. The meta favors mages(lux), which is his favorite to play. Also I don't think link is that good, overhyped really. He never was a star at his role and the game has changed tons since he left.

III BAKURYU III Jan 13, 20171 votes

He's been around the League for about 3-4 years now and has been on 4-5 different teams.
He's played Lux like 4 times in his LOL career and has 0 wins on Lux. He's won 8 games but lost 16 Also has currently a 9 game losing streak in the LCS 12 if you also count the Challenger scene also.

I have no choice but to give him a chance as I don't have the final say so anyways.

III BAKURYU III Jan 21, 20171 votes

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!

Not going to lie he and you proved me wrong about Goldenglue he looked good those games.
I'm man enough to say I was wrong! Gj

Ale non è maleJan 22, 20171 votes

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SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!

Not going to lie he and you proved me wrong about Goldenglue he looked good those games.
I'm man enough to say I was wrong! Gj

No offense, but he look good against one of the worst starting midlaner around in both LCS

I think that Liquid betting on a NA midlaner is a risky but smart move for a number of reasons and it could pan out good dividends if he end up being decent enough, but let's not jump ahead of ourselves of one series against questionable oposition

III BAKURYU III Jan 22, 20171 votes

Yeah while 1 game is questionable I do have to eat crow because I thought CLG would make Goldenglue's life hell with their superior shotcalling and players being together longer for a year+.

Loco Mot1vesJan 11, 20172 votes

WIth Pheonix 1, Echo Fox, Immortals and Dignitas, their rankings are somewhat interchangeable because I feel that each of those teams have high potential to even fight for the #2 or #3 spot in the first split. Since posting this though, I would probably change the order a bit in that 4 Pack.

Immortals - To answer the question specifically, after watching them play at IEM Gyeong Gi, the team looked really good even going against a powerhouse like Samsung Galaxy. If that isn't a good enough benchmark, I don't know what is, haha. Team Liquid took a 3rd place finish along with Immortals, considering first and second went to both Korean teams. I just don't think Reignover and Piglet can carry Team Liquid far enough on their backs.
Dignitas - The more and more I look at this team, I think they have high potential, but there is still a language barrier with Keane translating for Ssumday and Chaser. They should be stronger in the second half of the season once they've had some time adjusting.
Pheonix 1 - Don't have too much to say about these guys.
Echo Fox - Great top laner in Looper and I would put more strength in having a better mid laner than ADC given how 2017 has been shaping up. It's a real toss up between EF and Liquid though because of Reignover and Piglet in particular.

III BAKURYU III Jan 11, 20171 votes

Yeah I'm starting to have more and more doubts about Echo Fox even tho I have them 8th that may still be too high so maybe 9th if not dead last would be a better place but I can't ignore the fact about IMT having a bad roster they didn't improve as a brand name and the talents aren't an improvements either. With EF(Looper) DIG(Ssumday and Chaser) P1(Ryu and Arrow) it's always "visa Issues" that cost teams but never TSM or C9 so that's interesting? So realistically Those three teams will have a speed-bump down the road if not right from the start because of those "visa issues" that NA never gets cleared up.

For Immortals look at the players that they are banking to "carry" them and their roles Flame and the team will face players that have stayed on their rosters so not only the lane will be more difficult but also because the team have history of working/playing for a while now such as Impact(Cloud 9) Hauntzer(TSM) Balls(FlyQuest) Darshan(CLG) and Lourlo(TL) not to mention the top players that in my mind are much better than Flame such as Looper(EF) and Ssumday(Dig) Now look at the bot lane for IMT(Cody and Olleh) now look at the competition for them to face Sneaky/Smoothie Piglet/Matt Stixxay/Aphromoo are unchanged lanes so the familiar factor won't effect them like how Cody and Olleh will. LOD/Xpecial looks decent.
Altec/Lemon might get beat by IMT in lane but with Hai shotcalling I'd take that lane to go even but still win games off Hai. Keith/Gate is a garbage lane so IMT will probably win that lane. Arrow/Adrian should win. Apollo/Hakuho will most likely go even but I will give the edge to IMT. Wildturtle/Biofrost may be a "new" lane but Turtle knows the system and style and will Lane similar to Sneaky isn't his best style he isn't a pushover so I give TSM the edge in that lane.

Overall IMT TOP has Ssumday(L) Impact(L) Balls(T) Darshan(W) Looper(L) Zig(W) Seraph(W) Lourlo(T) Hauntzer(W) BOT has LOD/Xpecail(T) Sneaky/Smoothie(L) Altec/Lemon(T) Stixxay/Aphromoo(L) Keith/Gate(W) Arrow/Adrian(L) Apollo/Hakuho(W) Piglet/Matt(T) Wildturtle/Biofrost(L)

Win lane 6 Tie 5 Lose 7

Just in lane phase not adding the fact of the other rosters/roles just for those 2 lanes and/or shotcalling that IMT will be overmatched as well.

GhostOfTsushimaJan 6, 20171 votes

P1 on the top yeah I can totally see it too

LMAO

maybe after LoL has die deep into the Earth

III BAKURYU III Jan 6, 20171 votes

What team do you see being #1 ?

KinneyJJan 12, 20171 votes

An actual team can be #1 Also CLG, TSM, C9, and IMT are ur leading contenders and maybe TL if they do any good.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

III BAKURYU III Jan 12, 20171 votes

2 out of the 5 members from P1 are in carry roles; now considering visa issues aren't an issue that team are in a very good spot to get wins under their belt not to mention P1 while the record didn't show they started to turn their season around in the second half of the split nothing too crazy but a decent nudge in the right direction.
CLG are my close 2nd but they could fall a bit considering they don't have a star team like TSM and C9 do but the 2-3-4 spots are very close in my mind with any of those 3 teams taking those spots; however I do think CLG will be the 2nd seed as I'm thinking TSM will fall just a bit and C9 having a rookie jungler in the role that is predicted to be the game deciding role ATM.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Ale non è maleJan 6, 20171 votes

FlyQuest jungler is Moon according to ESPN article If possible the outlook for them get even worse, and it's laughable they get placed higher than Immortals

III BAKURYU III Jan 6, 20171 votes

Yeah luckily I didn't imagine FlyQuest having a good jungler and I actually thought it would have been a meh player like Moon that's why the KDA for jungle is so low because of that.

Immortals might be higher on the list maybe 9th possibly 8th but I don't see it.

Like Flame is great but it's been 3 years since he was actually the "god" that everyone thinks he is, not to mention he's been rotating rosters and in out of lineups for every team he's been on because the team doesn't know how to play with him and that's in the LCK and LPL where they actually have teams and players that know what to do now imagine that in NA with Flame.

Dardoch is Dardoch he will look good and play great but once the team loses here and there he will flame and he will embrace the once toxic TL jungler that came before him(Saint-Dom and now Dardoch) him switching teams won't stop that mindset of his.

Pobelter is average nothing great but just enough not to be relegated each year, I mean before he was on CLG he wasn't anyone special.

Cody Sun is a rookie and while people say so was Biofrost etc, you gotta look at who he played with on TSM now look at Immortals and it's a new up and coming team/org that doesn't have the same abilities that TSM or other big names do.

Olleh might actually be a wildcard as far as the team goes but overall it won't make much of a difference in the long run.

Ale non è maleJan 6, 20171 votes

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Olleh will make a HUGE difference in the long run when looking at Immortals performance

For how much Flame is fallen from his prime, he is still a kinda good laner (even in the last season he has been), and we know Pobelter will not do too bad in his lane either Olleh playing well and being able to make a complete rookie ADC like Cody Sun in the bot lane would mean that Immortals would have no serious weakness (at least, in the contest of NA scene), which would give Dardoch a ton of space to operate in jungle on game by game basis

From a technical point of view, Olleh performing means Immortals far exceeding everyone epectations as they can get fed early and carry the advntage through mid game to head to victory; Olleh not performing means that Immortlas lose 2 lanes out of 3 because the enemy jungle can pressure the top half of Immortals map, which means Immortals getting behind once mid game with teamfights come (and the only guy that could eventually be fed, Flame, has his weakest point in teamfights) and proceding to lose

AcidTheWarlockJan 22, 20171 votes

I'd say Dignitas (although I'm probably biased) will look great next split. This split not so much. I still need to figure out the differences between LOD and Apollo, although LOD looked pretty good against P1. Keane needs to be more consistent and they need to get Ssumday into the side lanes, cuz his splitpushing is godlike.

III BAKURYU III Jan 23, 20172 votes

LOD is more aggressive in my opinion while Apollo is more of a "cop" type of player someone who you know what he will give you each and every game but isn't a STAR by any means while LOD has the potential of becoming a Star.
I'm always going to say Apollo is a better player mainly because I'v watched him play since 2013 so I know his type of style etc, while LOD is new to me so he could have a good split or two but be garbage for the say 2 straight years or so.

Dignitas - Cloud 9 and Phoenix One looks to be the top 3 tier A teams.

Team Solomid - Counter Logic Gaming and Team Liquid all have chances to win as much as they do to lose as well.

Immortals and FlyQuest - Decent but overall I think next split they can top 3 easily mainly IMT if they stay together since the communication will get better with time.

Echo Fox and Envyus are the Ironman teams they have constant 45+ min games, shotcalling sucks, team chemistry sucks bottom feeding teams.

AcidTheWarlockJan 23, 20171 votes

Being new to League I never saw any earlier seasons, but I have the impression LOD can do very well here.

I was surprised by FlyQuest, I thought that they would be REALLY bad. Seems like their lineup isn't as washed up as everyone said, and I'm saying that once Moon gets more experience and confidence the team can take off with their more tactical style, since it is true that they won't win mechanical fights.

III BAKURYU III Jan 23, 20171 votes

Well while Xpecial may be lacking in talent than what he once was he is still a top 5 best Western support ever, Keane is similar to Fenix so a Top 5 NA mid if not Top 5 Western mid, and with Ssumday and Chaser two Koreans who are 10/10 good; I do hope LOD can actually be good with all that help by his side.

Yeah I didn't think FQ would be this good I think 2-0 now but overall teams are still figuring out each other so give it say week 5-6 and we will see FQ get more and more in trouble as teams are actually working together and having more tactical synergy with each other.

The more surprising thing are Immortals; I thought they would be ass this Split but they look good for a team that didn't have much time together. They have been in multiple 50+ min games and that's actually good as it gives Cody Sun time and experience in the longer games and having IMT lose and win so quick in the season also helps as it won't deflate Cody's ego or his spirit is lets him know that he can work on things but still have 2 more months to improve on.

BigBellBruteFeb 21, 20171 votes

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This will be my official and last predictions as far as the NA teams/player's stats are concerned. Down vote - up vote - complain - applaud - rage - IDC Screw it I'm tired!

PHOENIX ONE 14-4 ZIG 2.5 2.5 6.8 259 INORI 2.7 2.1 6.7 135 RYU 4.7 1.9 5.1 306 ARROW 4.5 1.7 6.0 325 ADRIAN 0.6 1.7 11.1 19

COUNTER LOGIC GAMING 12-6 DARSHAN 2.9 2.5 4.9 237 XMITHIE 2.1 2.3 6.9 132 HUHI 3.7 2.0 5.3 301 STIXXAY 4.6 2.1 4.9 318 APHROMOO 0.7 2.6 8.9 27

TEAM SOLOMID 12-6( less total wins than CLG) HAUNTZER 2.5 2.0 6.5 251 SVENSKEREN 2.3 2.1 7.4 130 BJERGSEN 4.6 1.5 5.2 291 WILDTURTLE 4.5 2.0 5.1 297 BIOFROST 0.7 1.9 9.3 23

DIGNITAS 10-8 SSUMDAY 3.3 1.9 6.8 301 CHASER 2.3 2.0 6.1 149 KEANE 4.1 2.3 6.2 308 LOD 4.2 1.9 4.9 327 XPECIAL 0.7 2.8 9.7 38

CLOUD 9 9-9 IMPACT 2.2 2.2 5.9 249 CONTRACTZ 2.1 1.7 7.0 147 JENSEN 4.6 2.1 5.1 328 SNEAKY 4.3 1.7 5.4 307 SMOOTHIE 0.6 2.1 9.7 29

TEAM LIQUID 7-11( More total wins than Fly Quest) LOURLO 2.4 2.1 5.6 239 REIGNOVER 2.7 2.0 7.4 153 GOLDENGLUE 3.2 2.1 5.0 307 PIGLET 4.5 1.7 5.4 311 MATT 0.4 3.0 8.6 30

FLY QUEST 7-11 BALLS 2.1 2.3 5.9 228 MOON 1.8 2.7 5.4 131 HAI 3.9 2.5 5.3 269 ALTEC 4.0 2.2 5.0 300 LEMON 0.4 3.0 8.0 30

ECHO FOX 5-13 LOOPER 3.6 2.3 7.2 244 AKKADIAN 2.6 2.5 8.1 151 FROGGEN 3.6 2.4 5.8 326 KEITH 3.9 2.7 6.4 271 GATE 0.5 2.4 7.8 37

TEAM ENVYUS 4-14 SERAPH 2.7 3.0 6.6 235 LIRA 2.0 3.2 9.0 125 NINJA 4.6 3.1 6.4 265 APOLLO 4.5 2.3 6.8 293 HAKUKHO 1.1 2.1 10.0 39

IMMORTALS 2-16 FLAME 2.9 3.1 4.8 281 DARDOCH 2.5 2.9 6.6 139 POBELTER 3.6 3.1 4.7 289 CODY SUN 2.7 2.3 5.4 281 OLLEH 0.7 3.1 7.9 26

So let us examine how these picks are doing just past the half way point.

Already Wrong. Impossible.
#10. Immortals. They already have five wins so they cannot finish with Two The only question is how wrong will it be?

Hanging by a thread. Need a big turn around or collapse to happen.
#2 CLG. They're 5-5 and need to go 7-1 the rest of the way to make it happen. No Prob.
#1 P1. They need to go 8-0 the rest of the way to make 14-4 happen. Piece of cake.
#7 Flyquest. They're 6-4 and would need to go 1-7 the rest of the way to make it happen. EZPZ. #5 C9. They already have 8 wins. They would need to go 1-7 to make the predicted 9-9 happen. No doubt baby.

Could be trouble. Would need a mild turn around or fall to happen.
#4 Dig. Just go 6-2 the rest of the way when they're 4-6 now.
#3 TSM. Well if they go 4-4 the rest of the way, you're right. But they only have two games left against teams in their class so they're going to have to be upset a couple of times to do it.
#6 Team Liquid They're 2-8 and need to go 5-3 the rest of the way to make 7-11. Ruh Roh.
#8 Echo Fox They would need to go 1-7 the rest of the way off of a 4-6 start to finish 5-13.

Looking good. #9 NV. They have two wins, half way to the predicted four.

III BAKURYU III Feb 21, 20171 votes

" Nv. They have two wins, half way to the predicted four"