It seems like KOO wanted to play cloud 9 or origen instead of a second seed

Orenin·Oct 9, 2015·2 votes·825 views

I think KOO intentionally threw two games to YFW in order to get second seed, and in so doing caused CLG to be dropped into 3rd/4th.

if KOO is a second seed they will get to play origen or C9, who they regard as weaker.

if KOO is first there are three teams they view as strong. Going by the interview, they didn't seem disappointed at all

anyone agree?

11 Comments

TheXtractorOct 9, 20152 votes

Utter Bullshit because a 3-0 team can still end #1 #2 or #3 depending on how they play.

OreninOct 9, 20152 votes

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Utter Bullshit because a 3-0 team can still end #1 #2 or #3 depending on how they play.

I like how you completely ignore the fact that its probable a 3-0 team will get a first seed. This is so ignorant.

TheXtractorOct 9, 20154 votes

I like how you ignore the fact that a 3-0 team can lose 3 times in a row and fall to third place through tie breakers.

Cough CLG 4 game losing streak Cough

OreninOct 9, 20151 votes

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I like how you ignore the fact that a 3-0 team can lose 3 times in a row and fall to third place through tie breakers.

Cough CLG 4 game losing streak Cough

so since something has a low chance of happening, you should ignore something that is more likely. makes sense. the way pro teams think though is that they look at probabilities. Oh look, origen and c9 are 3-0, I think we can beat them.

Then you come in to their room and say "no guys actually its all random and there is an equal chance they will lose..." and then they look at you like you are crazy, and deservedly so.

TheXtractorOct 9, 20153 votes

C9 going 3-0 in the first week of groups was more unlikely than them going 0-3 before Worlds started. LGD going 0-3 as the #1 seed of china was extremely unlikely as well. This worlds nothing happens that is 'likely' except the group with SKT and EDG.

Dr PoroOct 9, 20154 votes

No, you only ignore low chances when they are extremely low. Like less than 1% chance. Not when it's about 1/8. I think all 4 teams in group B are pretty close to eachother, having about 50% win chances each. Losing 3 times this way is rather likely (12.5%). If we consider FNC and C9 as slightly better (may be biased because I support for them), it would still be around 10% chance of going 0-3. So yeah, they are pretty likely to seed. That doesn't mean that they will end up being first place, though. People are overestimating the chance that a 1st place team after week one will stay 1st place. While C9 has a pretty big lead (2 wins ahead), they didn't stomp their games. They often won by the right call at the right moment or by a teamfight that went in their favour (teamfights are very unpredictable.) I'm not sure if C9 is consistent enough to keep winning, but we'll see.

OreninOct 9, 20151 votes

I don't think so. There were clearly apparent things that indicated C9 would do well and LGD would not do well. C9 having new players and new roles would clearly benefit much more from a monthlong Korean bootcamp, and LGD lost their coaching staff going into worlds.

The Bíg TicketOct 9, 20151 votes

They already lost to FlashWolves in the first week.

RisenDarkKnightOct 9, 20151 votes

Well but SKT is probably going to be a first seed, and that's the only team KOO should really be scared of. They are gonna have to potentially face either SKT or EDG regardless of whether they are first or second, so I doubt they would throw two games just for the chance to potentially face Origen or Cloud 9 instead of KT and Fnatic. KT could still get first seed, and if they don't, they probably aren't much better than Origen anyway. And Cloud 9 may not be that strong, but it's not like any other team in their group is strong enough to be scary.

DestructoDaveOct 10, 20151 votes

I would never risk getting SKT first round. Every other team looks beatable. 2nd seed is a gamble, atm. I dont think EDG is that strong; they didn't play particularly well vs. anyone but first game of BKT. Other games looked more like them losing and being gifted throws, then them coming out ahead or anything.

I know, I would def. not want to risk facing SKT first round. So, while maybe they did, maybe they didn't, thats a pretty big gamble to take. None of hte other 1st/2nd teams look as strong atm as SKT. Thats why, I DO hope C9 takes first, and avoids that matchup.

I think KOO is overrating themselves anyways. Which, could help whatever team faces them. Being overconfident this worlds, is a death sentence.