Why has Crumbz not been replaced on Renegades?

RAT IN GAME UwU ·Apr 7, 2016·2 votes·831 views

With the addition of ninja, and the removal of the god awful support thing they had, they're actually looking strong, crumbz just doesn't think at all, i don't know how he stays in challenger, he makes so many bad plays, and occasionally makes one good big one, but the lack of consistency isn't good for the team, could you imagine renegades with say meteos, IWD, or anyone who is more consistent? they would probably be in the top 5 right out of the gate.

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YumScrumptious96Apr 7, 20163 votes

Considering he's doing very well right now, I think that's why.

Ale non è maleApr 7, 20161 votes

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Considering he's doing very well right now, I think that's why.

Doing very well vs Kez, who is an awful jungler even for NA LCS standards, won't push renegades to do any good vs better teams and junglers - basically all the rest of LCS -

YumScrumptious96Apr 7, 20163 votes

You can't blame Crumbz for beating a worse jungler, he's actually been on an upswing for a bit.

Ale non è maleApr 7, 20161 votes

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You can't blame Crumbz for beating a worse jungler, he's actually been on an upswing for a bit.

Do I sound like I am blaming him for beating worse junglers? Of course not But if the answer to the question "Why has Crumbz not been replaced on Renegades?" is "he's doing very well right now aka vs Kez (a far worse jungler than LCS level and around the average NACS level)", than that is not a good answer, because beating Kez does only mean he is still better than a pretty bad jungler and doersn't give indication that he can be successful vs LCS junglers and team, and in the last splits he has not been successful vs LCS junglers and teams and he is at the bottom of LCS ranking among junglers

Why Renegades haven't replaced Crumbzz? They have decided to spend import slots on other players. And they have not been quick enough to grab some young jungle talent to get rid of him, cause his performance on the rift would call of him being replace to be honest

YumScrumptious96Apr 7, 20163 votes

You said hes only doing well versus Kez, a bad jg in your opinion. That's like blaming CLG for defeating TiP without much trouble, they still did well against them, dont dimish their achievements because of their opponent. I said hes doing well right now, hes been playing well for a while, not making as many mistakes, i didnt say he was doing good against kez, you did, I said he was doing well in general. You just ignore that and focus on Kez mostly. He had a bad start to the split with all the roster changes and problems of Renegades. I wouldn't have replaced Crumbz, he did well for a team not expected to finish strongly at all. I mean hell, they beat TSM, the "super team" this split apparently. Crumbz is not a carry jungler though, he does not rack up kills or win the game for his team, Renegades has multiple members who all function together rather than 1 or 2 carries. Crumbz is more of a supportive jungler like Bengi. He has been away from the LCS for a bit as well, doesn't mean hes terrible because he had a poor showing at the beginning, let's say TSM is terrible then because they started off badly.

RAT IN GAME UwU Apr 7, 20161 votes

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You said hes only doing well versus Kez, a bad jg in your opinion. That's like blaming CLG for defeating TiP without much trouble, they still did well against them, dont dimish their achievements because of their opponent. I said hes doing well right now, hes been playing well for a while, not making as many mistakes, i didnt say he was doing good against kez, you did, I said he was doing well in general. You just ignore that and focus on Kez mostly. He had a bad start to the split with all the roster changes and problems of Renegades. I wouldn't have replaced Crumbz, he did well for a team not expected to finish strongly at all. I mean hell, they beat TSM, the "super team" this split apparently. Crumbz is not a carry jungler though, he does not rack up kills or win the game for his team, Renegades has multiple members who all function together rather than 1 or 2 carries. Crumbz is more of a supportive jungler like Bengi. He has been away from the LCS for a bit as well, doesn't mean hes terrible because he had a poor showing at the beginning, let's say TSM is terrible then because they started off badly.

Crumbzz makes bad decisions and holds most of the deaths in almost every game, and that's not even the worst part, he can be a support jungler, the worst part is how he gets the deaths, he doesn't have vision and checks dumb areas, even being in gold/plat depending on the season I know the mistakes he's making, he doesn't play cautiously, and LCS play is about caution, even listen to LCS pros talk about it, they would rather play safe than go for risks because it backfires more than not. Crumbz is currently one of the weaker links on the team, despite having good moments, he is too dangerous and inconsistent.

There is a reason twitch chat is constantly spamming Dumbzz

Are you new? because you sound new, it is NOTHING like calling TSM bad for that reason, crumbz was removed from Dignitas for his poor play, a team that just got kicked back to the challenger series, he is an upper level jungler, but he's making too many mistakes to be in the current LCS environment and actually get the team to where it should be with a talent like ninja.

CHEAT ENGINE ssdApr 7, 20162 votes

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Crumbzz makes bad decisions and holds most of the deaths in almost every game, and that's not even the worst part, he can be a support jungler, the worst part is how he gets the deaths, he doesn't have vision and checks dumb areas, even being in gold/plat depending on the season I know the mistakes he's making, he doesn't play cautiously, and LCS play is about caution, even listen to LCS pros talk about it, they would rather play safe than go for risks because it backfires more than not. Crumbz is currently one of the weaker links on the team, despite having good moments, he is too dangerous and inconsistent.

There is a reason twitch chat is constantly spamming Dumbzz

Are you new? because you sound new, it is NOTHING like calling TSM bad for that reason, crumbz was removed from Dignitas for his poor play, a team that just got kicked back to the challenger series, he is an upper level jungler, but he's making too many mistakes to be in the current LCS environment and actually get the team to where it should be with a talent like ninja.

using twitch chat to back up your opinion. i now believe the opposite of whatever you say.

RAT IN GAME UwU Apr 8, 20161 votes

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using twitch chat to back up your opinion. i now believe the opposite of whatever you say.

Almost all arguments on league forums are the same

I prove someone wrong, they pick something stupid out to act like i'm invalidated all of a sudden, when you didn't even know crumbz has played on other LCS teams. seeya, have fun continuing to be an analyst with no actual knowledge -_-

YumScrumptious96Apr 8, 20163 votes

You took that way too seriously dude.

CHEAT ENGINE ssdApr 9, 20162 votes

you never proved anything. i rmemeber crumbz on dig, big fucking deal. what makes you think i didn't know that lol? have fun being an analyst ("even tho i'm in gold i can tell his mistakes") yea... lol. you think you're qualified to analyze a lcs player meanwhile you are not one. arm chair analyst.

as far as proving anything, you didn't prove a single thing man. you didn't even make anything that could be called an objective statement. you have no proof and cited no sources, you've done no research and present no facts. you say things like "most of the time crumbz has most of the deaths", uhh, how about you go and actually count that shit out and give us some stats before you open your mouth and spew our garbage. you ARE invalidated, you cited twitch chat.

MagearnaApr 9, 20161 votes

Two words:

Thank you.

MagearnaApr 9, 20161 votes

Crumbzz left Dignitas because his playstyle was different from the rest of the team, not because of his poor play. Crumbzz is the player who always pushes for having vision, he loves vision. And Twitch chat is dumb in general. Sorry, I agree with Yum and Crumple. He might falter in some games, but Renegades wasn't doing bad because of him. He doesn't need to be replaced and it's why he HASN'T been replaced.

Ale non è maleApr 8, 20161 votes

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You said hes only doing well versus Kez, a bad jg in your opinion.

Kez is not a bad jungler in my opinion There are years of data as of now that has shown he hasn't been up to LCS junglers Got last place in 2014 LCS summer with coL, in the 2015 spring split promotion was in the only team that failed to protect their LCS spot losing vs Team8 with Porpoise as jungler, failed first in 2015 spring playoffs to get the direct promotion losing vs Enemy with Trashy as jungler, won the 2015 Summer Promotion against Winterfox only because WFX was basically disbanding, then in 2015 NA LCS Summer was caught in TDK visa situation and got demoted - this time not his fault but he didn't appear like he was holded back by his teammates either - , in 2016 CS Spring he was in the bottom half of NA CS junglers in RS

This is the guy Crumbzz has beaten

In the latest NA LCS split Crumbzz has been the worst or second worst jungler in NA LCS, depending on if you think Moon has been worse or not Rush has been better, Xmithie has been better, Reignover has been FAR better, Dardoch has been better, Procxin has been better, Svenskeren even struggling has been better, Hard (perennial CS jungler) has been some better, Kirei was better These are the accomplishment of Crumbzz this season

He has been carried lately by having an excellent solo lane trio for NA standards after the REN trade vs TDK, the Seraph-Ninja-Freeze trio, the "Renegades has multiple members who all function together rather than 1 or 2 carries" is total bullcrap as before the trade the differences in the individual performances between Freeze and anyone else was hilariously huge Crumbzz right now is bad and at the moment can beat only mid tier NA CS jungler, the reason why he has not been replaced is not because of his performance, because a veteran, declining jungler who is among the worst of LCS is a very good candidate to be replaced

YumScrumptious96Apr 8, 20162 votes

Keep repeating what you will. I'm not going to change my mind that Crumbz is doing decently for a team plagued with roster issues like changing support, adc after their qualification, top laners changing constantly and two mid laners. Yet they haven't changed Crumbz, maybe because he hasn't caused Renegades to lose their matches, just the fact that Ren can't capitalize on leads until now. We are never going to see eye to eye on this so I'm not going to bother to right a wall of text on counterpoints.

Ale non è maleApr 9, 20161 votes

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Keep repeating what you will. I'm not going to change my mind that Crumbz is doing decently for a team plagued with roster issues like changing support, adc after their qualification, top laners changing constantly and two mid laners.

Except the support change was after the team was yet failing and the support had a breakdown that lead her to leave on her own idea, that the ADC change after the qualification was the huge upgrade and the only guy that was play well when the other included Crumbzz sucked, that the top lane guy was the same dude with which they qualified and both just weren't good for LCS level - actually the guy has failed promotion vs freaking cris - and the mid lane was the same guy they qualified with?

The only thing that has changed at the end of the season is that the team upgraded two of their laners position in a relevant way in mid lane and in a freaking huge way in top lane and thus by the sheer strength of their laners they breezed through the last games of RS and promotion because at the end of the moves their top-mid-adc laners trio became top 3/4 in NA and Crumbzz got carried by them

YumScrumptious96Apr 9, 20161 votes

They changed rosters constantly, you're forgetting the fact that you can't just get good players and instantly do better, it takes synergy, look at TSM in the beginning and later too. Renegades did better with their newest roster version but it doesn't mean that changing up with subs like Flarez and Seraph helped them in any capacity. I don't think you're correct in your argument and I never will, so please stop bothering me.

Ale non è maleApr 9, 20161 votes

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They changed rosters constantly

No, they did not before the trade, when Crumbzz was not being carried and was playing really bad They changed support once after 3 weeks when Remi stepped down and in those time they had 3 games with Freeze out with visa issues, except for the fact that the other NA LCS teams had even worse problem with visa issued during the same span, so REN was playing with 4/5 of their original roster while EF and TIPbasically played with a number of completely different line-up From week 4 through 7 they played with the same roster, the only difference being the RF/Flaresz sub thing, and Flaresz was with them from the start of the season so it was not unexpected situation and they had training with him

Their problem was not synergy from costantly changing roster, was that they sucked hard

but it doesn't mean that changing up with subs like Flarez and Seraph helped them in any capacity.

The upgrade from Flaresz to Seraph is BIG, especially when you have yet in the team two super strong carries like Ninja and Freeze, given that with little focus on him he has the skills to carry, while Flaresz do have not

I don't think you're correct in your argument and I never will, so please stop bothering me.

That's basically " I don't know how to answer so i'll keep argumenting with non-sense things and I am so stubborn that i will not change idea even if they put argomentations straight to my face"

YumScrumptious96Apr 9, 20161 votes

Dude, I was talking about when Seraph subbed for them, not when they traded for him. And no, I have plenty of ways to make my point, you're just too ignorant to care about them, you only want to seem care about looking like someone smart. I honestly think you're desperate to be right for once, I simply do not care about anything you have to say anymore. Please stop trying to force an argument just because you want to be right.

Ale non è maleApr 9, 20161 votes

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Dude, I was talking about when Seraph subbed for them, not when they traded for him.

Seraph didn't sub in for REN and did not play with them before the trade this season. He played for TiP when TiP's had issues http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/League_Championship_Series/North_America/2016_Season/Spring_Season/Team_Rosters#.C2.A0Renegades

Cut the crap, please. You have "plenty of ways" to make your point, except you haven't shown once good You tried to argue that Crumbz was not replaced because his performances, and his performances have been bad vs LCS caliber junglers/teams while good vs CS caliber junglers/teams. You are trying to argue that REN had synergy prblems and this affected Crumbzz performance, and while REN effectively had synergy problems, that did not had to change rosters in the way you are hinting to justify Crumbzz performances, which issues weren't due to lack of training/situations that didn't allow them to synergize, but simply due to the fact that the whole team except freeze, and including the sam crumbzz was really bad, and in the latest games Crumbzz has been carried by having solo laners that would rank in playoff range rather than in relegations range

YumScrumptious96Apr 9, 20161 votes

I never said that it effected Crumbz, I said it affected Renegades by changing out players so often. As for Seraph, I was incorrect there, sorry. But maybe you need to learn that when people don't want to talk to you, you don't try to enforce a conversation. Jesus christ you just can't stand to be wrong. I'm not responding next time because you are just the worst type of person to try to argue with, can't accept that you're wrong ever and will go way overboard in attempts to prove your right. If Crumbz should be replaced, why wouldn't Renegades replace him, Monetecristo is an owner and he would be able to tell if they need to replace him.

Ale non è maleApr 9, 20161 votes

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If Crumbz should be replaced, why wouldn't Renegades replace him, Monetecristo is an owner and he would be able to tell if they need to replace him.

One last time, why hasn't Renegades replaced Crumbzz? Because Renegades has decided to use their import spot for mid and adc position, and among NA resident they haven't found a young guy to replace him Having said that, he has NOT performed well, and in the last weeks he has been carried by the fact that he has now a top-mid-adc tiro that is top4 in NA and make him look decent