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Worlds GROUP D Predictions

III BAKURYU III ··2 votes·1,588 views

1ST SEED TEAM SOLOMID 5-1 HAUNTZER 27-20-27-1889 SVENSKEREN 7-17-52-739 BJERGSEN 27-12-27-2375 DOUBLELIFT 29-9-48-2196 BIOFROST 7-15-69-137

2ND SEED AFTER TIE-BREAKER SAMSUNG GALAXY 4-3 CUVEE 19-17-17-1849 AMBITION 8-19-34-753 CROWN 10-17-18-2453 COREJJ 2-20-41-281

3RD SEED AFTER TIE-BREAKER ROYAL NEVER GIVES UP 3-4 LOOPER 35-22- 30-1976 MLXG 12-18-53-822 XIAOHU 27-14-39-2111 UZI 29-15-35-2268 MATA 1-21-58-191

4TH SEED SPLYCE 1-5 WUNDER 13-23-36-1696 TRASHY 13-21-47-622 SENCUX 26-20-32-1757 KOBBE 25-15-29-2141 MILKYX 2-20-51-197

27 Comments

Toastey3 votes

let me get this straight

you're predicting ambition to have 10 kills in 7 games and biofrost to have 7 kills in 6 games? you're predicting mata to die the most out of any support in this group? you've left ruler out of your predictions altogether?

you're predicting TSM first seed??

what analytical kush are u smokin lad? that's gotta be the gud stuff

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

The stats are not including the tie-breaker games.

Ambition 10? I have Crown with 10 but not Ambition.

Yep I have Biofrost having 7 kills. I think for the most for the NA teams they will just want to get the enemies off the map and not worry about trying to get their teammates fed in the process while possibly dying themselves.

Yeah I have Mata dying the most I think the teams will camp him and UZI as it's really apart from Looper who plays smart and save until called for, is RNG's only lane that teams will have to focus to win.

Sorry about leaving out Ruler as this was my last post between the groups and deleted my rough draft.

I do have TSM finishing first I 100% think they are the better team.

America Kush want to join ?

Toastey1 votes

go watch the tsm skt scrims

they're running around like headless chickens, their communications suck ass, and they even have doublelift shotcalling sometimes

zero chance in hell they make it out of groups vs rng & ssg, and if they do, it certainly will not be a 5-1 first seed

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Scrims? I thought only one video was leaked didn't know there were multiple scrim games leaked.

While it's hard to tell "true" team efforts in scrims, I really doubt their really giving it there all as I'm sure neither scrim teams will show each other what their truly capable off.

Doublelift is pretty much the shotcaller on the team and has been since he joined. So TSM having him shotcall isn't something new.

You gotta stick with your guns dude and I respect that from you.

Takito1 votes

Don't bother with that dude...He lost all credibility when he said : ''and they even have doublelift shotcalling sometimes''.

Seeing as doublelift is TSM shotcaller that seems logical...

Between everyone agree they will end up first in this group and scrims doesn't mean anything.You can be trying out comp or anything really...

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Exactly, while everyone has different opinions on who will win etc: scrims is a different story I watched parts of the scrim with SKT where they paused at the baron pit and that is where it ended for me. I could tell when the members of TSM would call for a play they would say it half-ass like while if you watch their sound-bits from the regular season they would pretty much yell at each other for some of the most mundane things.

For example in the video(Cause I don't know how many there are) with Gnar RekSai Malzahar Lucian TahmKench ) who talks about the stuff that they talked about at 13.21-13.36 while facing SKT unless your just taking it easy.

If TSM wanted to actually try, they then would start talking about level 1 prep as soon as the game started but their taking it slow and enjoying the scrim and maybe just maybe let SKT "school" them so they can "learn" a few new tricks.

Not to mention not a day goes by after the group draw and SKT scrims TSM

Toastey1 votes

"DoubleLift is the main shotcaller on TSM"

no, they're going with a sun-shiney rainbowy shotcalling model in which every member contributes to collective group calls (which will never work for intricate macro play)

furthermore, doublelift should never be allowed to shotcall, ever. he's too greedy, too impulsive, and has no respect for any player he doesn't think is on his skill level. if you look at his history as a player, and shotcallers under whom he used to play, you'll understand why that's his attitude towards the game.

an in-game leader needs to be measured, deliberate, and compassionate. DL is the rough equivalent of s1mple in csgo: an incredibly mechanically gifted player who can peak insanely hard, but a complete asshole to deal with and not terribly smart about the map.

Takito1 votes

Ok, guess i won't listen to everything every single member of TSM confirmed....Doublelift is obviously not the shotcaller.........[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Toastey1 votes

"But once it reaches like mid game or late game or when a lot of crazy stuff happens, Doublelift always has a lot of really good ideas, really creative ideas to things we can do and he also has really good Baron calling. Everyone kind of has their own part, but it’s mostly [Bjergsen] and Doublelift."

and if DL IS one of their main shotcallers, that explains why they look like a team that has no idea what high-tier macro is. imagine DL trying to play chess lmfao

Takito1 votes

Not even gonna bother anymore.I mean obviously TSM got shit macro and shit shotcall after all they were only 17-1 in regular season this split......

Toastey1 votes

in the second- or third-weakest region in the world, in which EVERYONE has garbage macro

sorry, but being the king among shit still makes you shit

Toastey1 votes

Gives you an idea of how deep the TSM virus runs when you spend 4 years shitting down DL and CLG's throats, and now you think he's the best ADC in the west + a good shotcaller

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

"has no idea what high-tier macro is" Look at the past TSM strategies.

2014 W/ Bjergsen.
Camp mid and hope BJergsen can carry no micro no macro.

2015 W/ Bjergsen Do nothing for about 40-50 mins and just react when the enemy team does something and hope they can win by reacting 2nd.

2016 W/ D-Lift I don't see any camping more objective focused- team play- great all around, high level play from everyone.
1st in Towers 1st in Dragons 1st in Barons 1st in shortest amount of game time.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Having multiple shotcallers helps a team. If your main shotcaller gets tilted and doesn't say something for awhile it doesn't help the team but having other players step up and shotcall helps everyone. " Sun-Shiney raindbowy shotcalling" I mean it's working so far right ?

"he's too greedy" He plays ADC - go in solo Q and tell me if your adc isn't some sort of greedy A-Hole. " he has no respect for any player he doesn't think is on his skill level" have you seen the players he had to play with when he was on CLG apart from Aphromoo from 2011-2014, they all blew a$$.

It takes the pressure off Bjergsen and that is something that he wanted for about 3 years now. BJergsen didn't want to be the shotcaller for TSM when he first joined the team back in 2014 he just wanted to make plays or just do him etc, having someone that WANTS to be the shotcaller helps him as a carry and helps the other carry and knowing what the team needs to get D-Lift and BJergsen fed is smart.

Toastey1 votes

I AM an AD carry, and I play a secondary-carry teamfighting style, never taking more than I'm given and still putting out good DPM. Last I checked, my gold efficiency was something like 156%, which is actually monstrously high. I'm basically a discount Sneaky (he's 23942895748798234x better than me, but it's a way to explain my style).

But me aside, the new TSM strats are not any more complicated than the old ones. Sure, maybe Biofrost is a bit stronger of a laner than past TSM supps. But "high level play"?

Alright, let me put it to you that adequate high-level macro requires adequate vision, yes? Otherwise it's just guessing. You can call it hard reading if you want, but that's kinda like playing magician. TSM's wards per minute (WPM) in the regular summer season was 3.32, third in the NA LCS. Their wards cleared per minute (WCPM) was an abysmal 1.21, seventh in NA.

The worst WPM in Korea was Afreeca Freecs with 3.35. The worst WCPM in Korea was MVP at 1.30. Literally every single team in Korea had better vision control than TSM in the regular summer season.

You can't call strats without seeing what your enemy is up to (or isn't up to), and you can't out-macro if you can't deny vision.

I've seen and heard TSM's comms and their attitude towards the game. I've studied their players in solo queue and how they conceptualise the game, and it translates pretty accurately to their team approach.

2016 TSM fishes for plays and kills nearly constantly, but without any second intent (to borrow a fencing term). They all want to make a play, but they have no idea what they want to do with the play once it's made. God forbid the play fails. They never say anything close to "we need to get a pick on one of these specific champions so that we can get advantageous drake positioning". They never actively attend to or manipulate side waves; they react to them and push them when they have nothing better to do. Despite what the quote from Bjergsen there says, Doublelift does not possess a godly oracle-like ability to call the good Barons, and what to do once on the Baron.

They might look more proactive, sure--and they are, in a way. But they're still mostly dumb muscle at this point. The plays they fish for often work because of Bjergsen and Doublelift's combined firepower, but you can't always rely on things like that. They need to make the transition from "make a play, then consider options" to "consider options, then make a play engineered to enable several of those options".

And as for a good shotcaller to take pressure off Bjergsen (and one who DOES have a history of godly baron calls---think of the signature "Fnatic Baron" where they steal it from under your nose)...

They had one in Yellowstar. But they didn't let him work, talked over him constantly, dismissed his shotcalling ability because of his average laning mechanics, and eventually let him go. Such a shame.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

I have updated the player's stats a few days ago this time with Ambition having more than 10 kills and I didn't forget Ruler this time ;]

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/esports/EOvsEPlR-2016-every-group-thoughts-and-predictions-standings-and-players

Fowus1 votes

what are the numbers after their names

Shadowatom1 votes

Kills-Deaths-Assists-CS

Not sure if they're projected numbers or numbers from their playoffs/gauntlets.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

"KDA-CS" Indeed I just wanted to give quick predictions on the player stats and see how close I come to their projected stats.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

There just my prediction on the player's stats for Worlds.

Miror B1 votes

Bit confused by these predictions, as you're sorta suggesting that RNG (a team that has not only been incredibly dominant but also consistent) will lose a tie with SSG (a team that barely qualified to worlds, and has shown incredible inconsistency in a region where there are only really 2 "top tier teams" right now). You're also giving splyce one more win than I would have, as after their showing against unicorns (a series which after watching, am still baffled as to why UOL couldn't 3-0 them the way they did giants and definitely not fnatic) I have incredibly low expectations for them. Nonetheless, I'd may as well post my predictions for this group:

RNG 6-0 TSM 4-2 SSG 2-4 SPY 0-6

Also read up on a pretty fun fact (might be false, but meh): apparently UZI and doublelift have the most kills in their respective regions in the regular season, but clearlove has more multi-kills than uzi in the regular season.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Clearlove has more mult-kills than Uzi in the regular season o.O WOW.
What the heck does UZI think he is Jason Voorhees or Freddy K. where he only picks people off 1 by 1 dear lord. I didn't know that Thank you.

" a team that has not only been incredibly dominant but also consistent " ROYAL CLUB Before MSI they looked really Dominant after MSI they looked a little off even with a better adc in my opinion. They just don't look that great and after watching both RNG games and SSG games there was something that has bothered me.

Royal Club while a better objective focused team they just remind me of a better version of LMQ where they just go head first and want to fight 24/7 but like I said they do so by also getting objectives. Their play call before the fights themselves are good for example Looper TP, when to pick the fights are good I think their team fighting skills are just average. Same with SSG

Team Solomid while their still a good at team fighting their strengths are more about objective focused and not waiting around to see what the other team does.
RNG they act more like what TSM was back in 2015 summer and 2015 Worlds. They play more "passive " to allow UZI to farm up like always to be dominate in the late game which these early focused teams like Splyce and SSG will not allow them to do.

SSG will not allow UZI to scale up in the late game while they too are a heavy fight team and will want RNG to come out of their shells and want to start fights. I think SSG will mismatch RNG in the team fight element.

" You're also giving splyce one more win than I would have" Really you don't see Splyce winning a game ? I do and I think they will knock a game off SSG.

Miror B1 votes

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Clearlove has more mult-kills than Uzi in the regular season o.O WOW.
What the heck does UZI think he is Jason Voorhees or Freddy K. where he only picks people off 1 by 1 dear lord. I didn't know that Thank you.

" a team that has not only been incredibly dominant but also consistent " ROYAL CLUB Before MSI they looked really Dominant after MSI they looked a little off even with a better adc in my opinion. They just don't look that great and after watching both RNG games and SSG games there was something that has bothered me.

Royal Club while a better objective focused team they just remind me of a better version of LMQ where they just go head first and want to fight 24/7 but like I said they do so by also getting objectives. Their play call before the fights themselves are good for example Looper TP, when to pick the fights are good I think their team fighting skills are just average. Same with SSG

Team Solomid while their still a good at team fighting their strengths are more about objective focused and not waiting around to see what the other team does.
RNG they act more like what TSM was back in 2015 summer and 2015 Worlds. They play more "passive " to allow UZI to farm up like always to be dominate in the late game which these early focused teams like Splyce and SSG will not allow them to do.

SSG will not allow UZI to scale up in the late game while they too are a heavy fight team and will want RNG to come out of their shells and want to start fights. I think SSG will mismatch RNG in the team fight element.

" You're also giving splyce one more win than I would have" Really you don't see Splyce winning a game ? I do and I think they will knock a game off SSG.

For me, this group is sorta royal's group to lose. While you "could" say that they haven't looked the best, they've still remained consistent both in spring and summer (something that only a few teams at worlds can actively boast right now). TSM remains a big question mark for me. While they did look good during summer, only being good in one split against what looked to be pretty weak competition (figuring out a true "Second place" team in NA is almost impossible due to the fact that barring TSM every other team had a pretty noteworthy flaw this split) makes it hard for me to picture them doing well against some of the other teams. SSG is "statistically" where I'd put the likes of c9/clg right now. While they will probably pick up a win or two, I'm having a hard time seeing how they could do well against some of the stronger teams.

Oh, and you saw the UOL/SPY series, right? That alone should be reason enough not to trust them at worlds, as although they did manage to win (in 5 games) UOL outshined them massively for most of the series, something that raises massive concerns with them facing more talented teams.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Yeah I saw the UOL/SPY Series and while Splyce didn't look that great they were coming off a EU Finals defeat while UOL built momentum defeating GIA and FNC. I think Splyce should still get 1 win maybe 2 you just never know.

macdshifty1 votes

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Bit confused by these predictions, as you're sorta suggesting that RNG (a team that has not only been incredibly dominant but also consistent)

Did you watch the LPL finals? Neither dominant nor consistent describe RNG currently.

legendarytiger1 votes

i have not watched a single game played by any of these teams this season, and ALL of my predictions have been the same (as far as who will place where)

but all of your explanations give me a lot more confidence in my guesses ^_^

last season i made 4 mistakes total. hoping i am more accurate in this 1st stage, the GROUP STAGE good luck to you and your predictions sir [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

III BAKURYU III 2 votes

Thank you, I hope your not banking on me or something, I just wanted to give my thoughts but mainly I just wanted to do the player's stats because I'm tired of reading Riot's predictions with the same teams picked etc etc.
We all know the "good" teams from the "bad" and Riot pretty much talks 4 pages of what every fan pretty much already knows, the Korean teams are good and most likely going to win.

I however wanted to predict the team player's stats because it's funner to do than to just predict which teams will advance cause for the most part it's predictable.

Thank you again [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

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