EDG vs Fnatic handling is ridiculous and a shame to esport.

Myz·Oct 18, 2015·6 votes·2,541 views

Riot try to make it look like esport is something serious to the world but can't even handle the situation properly.

Didn't make both team pick the exact same champions
Didn't put back the game state it was prior to the bug

If something goes wrong in a any sport match, they don't reset the score board and redo the whole game. They fix the issue somehow and the game restart at the same state it was prior to said issue.

Good job Riot on this, really disappointed.

42 Comments

RaoulOct 18, 20156 votes

kinda smells like someone was voting for EDG to move on to semi finals xD

MyzOct 18, 20152 votes

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kinda smells like someone was voting for EDG to move on to semi finals xD

I don't care honestly, I was rooting for Flash Wolves & KT.

Möral SupportOct 18, 20154 votes

First, how do you plan on fixing a real sport if it has a glitch? They don't get glitches. You cannot cast Q in real life and then not ever again. The bug was game breaking. The point of the restart was it was early in the game and effective strategies.

Also, you try creating rules for the world's fastest growing sport in the world." It is not easy. They cannot make everyone happy.

"Back to a prior point about real life situations If a scoreboard or something glitches in a real life game, they don't forcefully make both teams restart. if the bug is drastic enough to make one team UNABLE to win with fair gameplay, the match is entirely canceled. If it was something as a minor issue like a referee forgot his flag in football they would stop the game for a second and get that ref his flag. In esports, its they pause it so SMALL issues (graphic bugs) can be fixed.

MyzOct 18, 20152 votes

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First, how do you plan on fixing a real sport if it has a glitch? They don't get glitches. You cannot cast Q in real life and then not ever again. The bug was game breaking. The point of the restart was it was early in the game and effective strategies.

Also, you try creating rules for the world's fastest growing sport in the world. It is not easy. They cannot make everyone happy.

Back to a prior point about real life situations If a scoreboard or something glitches in a real life game, they don't forcefully make both teams restart. if the bug is drastic enough to make one team UNABLE to win with fair gameplay, the match is entirely canceled. If it was something as a minor issue like a referee forgot his flag in football they would stop the game for a second and get that ref his flag. In esports, its they pause it so SMALL issues (graphic bugs) can be fixed.

If it rain in a baseball game on open stadium, they either close the stadium if they can, otherwise, they keep track of the state of the game and restart it when the rain is either gone or the next day if it doesn't go away.

If a stadium goes on fire, game will restart as it was prior to said fire and so on.

Möral SupportOct 18, 20152 votes

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If it rain in a baseball game on open stadium, they either close the stadium if they can, otherwise, they keep track of the state of the game and restart it when the rain is either gone or the next day if it doesn't go away.

If a stadium goes on fire, game will restart as it was prior to said fire and so on.

if a stadium is on fire, they dont fucking restart it. The game is canceled.

RookCauldronOct 18, 20152 votes

But there are no glitches in sports. And last time I checked, baseball doesn't have minions, gold advantages, dragon, baron, buffs, jungle monsters, different champions, different items to buy, team positioning.

AzmoranOct 18, 20151 votes

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If it rain in a baseball game on open stadium, they either close the stadium if they can, otherwise, they keep track of the state of the game and restart it when the rain is either gone or the next day if it doesn't go away.

If a stadium goes on fire, game will restart as it was prior to said fire and so on.

Umm no. A baseball game has to go 5 innings to be an official game. If it gets rained out in the 4th inning and the rain lasts the rest of the night, the game is canceled and they replay the game from the start at some other time. Nice try though!

TurquoiseYoshiOct 18, 20154 votes

You remember what happens when games don't get reset after bugs? Game 5 of SKT vs FNC at MSI? Changed the entire game and made SKT win after a good early game from FNC?

And looking non-serious to the world? Really? Just having the glitch is worse than the situation around it. If somebody from ESPN was watching, do you think that they would pass off the glitch as "just something that happens," and then get pissed at how the game was reset? No, they would find Riot unprofessional in having something so game-breaking in something that they're trying to make a full sport.

MyzOct 18, 20151 votes

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You remember what happens when games don't get reset after bugs? Game 5 of SKT vs FNC at MSI? Changed the entire game and made SKT win after a good early game from FNC?

And looking non-serious to the world? Really? Just having the glitch is worse than the situation around it. If somebody from ESPN was watching, do you think that they would pass off the glitch as "just something that happens," and then get pissed at how the game was reset? No, they would find Riot unprofessional in having something so game-breaking in something that they're trying to make a full sport.

Than why didn't they redo the whole game and put it back to the stage it was in, instead of allowing both teams new pick and bans and a fresh start ?

RookCauldronOct 18, 20154 votes

But how the hell can they do that? How can they replicate the game to the exact state? Tell me that. There are MANY more factors to account for in League of Legends than in most sports.

MyzOct 18, 20151 votes

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But how the hell can they do that? How can they replicate the game to the exact state? Tell me that. There are MANY more factors to account for in League of Legends than in most sports.

Warcraft III 15 years old engine can, pretty sure Riot can do it on their upgraded in 2014 league of legends.

RookCauldronOct 18, 20152 votes

But can Warcraft III fix their bugs right on the scene? I'm pretty sure the Gragas Q bug is a recurring one. Since Warcraft III is an RTS, that means that once Blizzard released it, that was basically the final product, meaning it can't evolve anymore outside of expansion packs. League of Legends is a MOBA, constantly changing, and League of Legends has a pro scene, and I don't see Warcraft's III pro scene.

MyzOct 18, 20151 votes

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But can Warcraft III fix their bugs right on the scene? I'm pretty sure the Gragas Q bug is a recurring one. Since Warcraft III is an RTS, that means that once Blizzard released it, that was basically the final product, meaning it can't evolve anymore outside of expansion packs. League of Legends is a MOBA, constantly changing, and League of Legends has a pro scene, and I don't see Warcraft's III pro scene.

Dota was on warcraft III and was a MOBA, the father of moba actually. Ignorance is big here.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 18, 20152 votes

It was a mod*

MyzOct 18, 20151 votes

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It was a mod*

Able to remake or rewind back games on a 15 years old engine, not able on league.

CroaninOct 18, 20151 votes

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Able to remake or rewind back games on a 15 years old engine, not able on league.

I was wondering why they don't just have a rewind feature. Or even a soft reset feature where you can simply create a custom game with set amounts of gold on each player and items, turrets and dragons. Might be tough to get the minion waves the way they should b.

RookCauldronOct 18, 20151 votes

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I was wondering why they don't just have a rewind feature. Or even a soft reset feature where you can simply create a custom game with set amounts of gold on each player and items, turrets and dragons. Might be tough to get the minion waves the way they should b.

You also have to account for baron and dragon, jungle timers, ward timers, player positioning, etc.

TurquoiseYoshiOct 18, 20152 votes

Because there isn't an option for that? And don't give me that bullshit about Warcraft 3, these are completely different games and completely different genres. Does DOTA 2 have it? Smite? HotS? I don't actually know, but I doubt it.

MyzOct 18, 20151 votes

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Because there isn't an option for that? And don't give me that bullshit about Warcraft 3, these are completely different games and completely different genres. Does DOTA 2 have it? Smite? HotS? I don't actually know, but I doubt it.

Dota had it, the father of all MOBA. Stop with the ignorance.

SEKAIOct 18, 20153 votes

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Dota had it, the father of all MOBA. Stop with the ignorance.

The father of all MOBA was actually a SC mod not many knows called Aeon of Strife.

Dota was simply the first child to hit it big but by no means the first generation. Not to mention the genre went by the ARTS before Riot called them MOBA.

EnvironmentalistOct 18, 20153 votes

I kind of agree. I mean, I just missed it, but I heard EDG was up 1 kill and 3 dragons when they ended the game. So EDG lost a mild advantage. At the same time though, 1 kill and 3 dragons is what, 1k gold lead? Pro teams can easily come back from a 1k deficit. Fnatic also would've won the series even if that game didn't restart.

MyzOct 18, 20152 votes

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I kind of agree. I mean, I just missed it, but I heard EDG was up 1 kill and 3 dragons when they ended the game. So EDG lost a mild advantage. At the same time though, 1 kill and 3 dragons is what, 1k gold lead? Pro teams can easily come back from a 1k deficit. Fnatic also would've won the series even if that game didn't restart.

Huge stats value and change game style when fifth dragon spawn. Fnatic could've lost with the momentum swapped to EDG.

EnvironmentalistOct 18, 20151 votes

It's possible, but they still swept them 3-0. If EDG had miraculously won that game, they still would've lost 3-1.

MyzOct 18, 20152 votes

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It's possible, but they still swept them 3-0. If EDG had miraculously won that game, they still would've lost 3-1.

Never know. EDG was demotivated due to said restart and lost their momentum, plus Fnatic got to redo their shit picks. Stop being a fanboy of Fnatic and be partial, Riot handling of the situation was trash, no matter what the outcome is or would've been.

EnvironmentalistOct 18, 20151 votes

Haha.. I'm not a fan of Fnatic. I chose them in Pick Em's so for the sake of my poro icon I wanted them to win, but SKT will fulfill those points for me anyways. No need to get angry. You're right, there may have been a chance that EDG would've won if they had continue during that game, but in all reality it was highly unlikely. They were outplayed by Fnatic at every turn. On top of that, complaining on the forum isn't going to make Riot go "huh, you know what, this kid's right, REDO THE SERIES". But hey, you do you sweetie.

FacyOct 18, 20155 votes

Fnatic had a super lategame comp with good wave clear and range while EDG run with 5 melees... EVERYONE that has a small idea of the game said at that point Fnatic starts rolling all over EDG cuz EDG missed it to get the lead they need to win the game. (Also a reason EDG banned mordekaiser in the next pick an ban cuz they didnt want to play that again). There was no way EDG could have won this game unless fnatic fucks up big times (said by the korean casters 1 minute before the game was paused). Salty fanboys try to make it look like the bug made Fnatic win because they cant handle the truth. The remake was a lot better for edg then it was for fnatic.

EnvironmentalistOct 18, 20151 votes

RookCauldronOct 18, 20152 votes

But League of Legends isn't a sport, it's an e-sport, it's different. Unlike a sports match where the only factors are the players, their conditions and the spectators, League of Legends has many factors. For example, jungle spawn timers, baron and dragon timers, minion waves, items, etc. Besides, issues in regular sports can be fixed by looking at the replay and judging a conclusion based on what the referees see. Issues in League of Legends (commonly bugs) usually cannot be fixed at that specific moment in time.

Although, I do agree that in this situation, something else could've been done. Since the bug was that Reignover couldn't cast Q on Gragas until he died, I think Riot should've told every single player in both teams except Reignover to stay still while Reignover gets executed by a tower and then returned to his original position and they could resume the game from there. But. there's still the problem of minion waves, the minion waves won't stop, they'll just push down towers.

AxxlonOct 18, 20152 votes

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But League of Legends isn't a sport, it's an e-sport, it's different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKzt7p-MnM

RookCauldronOct 18, 20152 votes

I like how you deleted a post where you replied to me.

MyzOct 18, 20151 votes

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I like how you deleted a post where you replied to me.

I didn't delete anything ?

RookCauldronOct 18, 20151 votes

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I didn't delete anything ?

No , I'm talking about Axxlon . I got a notification saying that he made two posts saying that he replied to me. One of them, he deleted.

Yordle XayahOct 18, 20152 votes

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LuggOct 18, 20152 votes

In the case of a restart, they usually have an agreement between the two teams to do so.

MyzOct 18, 20151 votes

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In the case of a restart, they usually have an agreement between the two teams to do so.

EDG said they weren't consulted about the restart.

LuggOct 18, 20151 votes

Then Riot must not have been able to remake the game. In all decisions, Riot has the final say.

The LexerOct 18, 20152 votes

Listen to the whole story. The casters said they would pick new champions because "strategies and gameplay" has already been shown, so if it was the exact same champions, both teams would know what the other wanted to do. Also, in other sports, all things can be fixed one way or another. Its technology, sometimes there are unfixable things.

Mister MackeyOct 18, 20151 votes

Too bad you knew this beforehand as it was outlined as one of thier procedures in the rules of worlds post they made.

xJLx MCHammerOct 18, 20151 votes

Holy crap.

It's a bug that rarely happens. Edg was losing hence why they banned morde next game. Trinkets had a bug last week, I guess we should disable it also? The game itself crashed, should we just disable the game? Hell there is a bug with turrets, should we disable that too?

There was a risk that Gragas bug could happen again, but it hasn't happen in over 5 months and it always got fixed in game. This is the only time they had to restart the game. Get over it FNC destroyed even if they gave the win to edg

Stars ShaperOct 18, 20151 votes

They were losing anyway even with a bugged Gragas.

LstrikeOct 19, 20151 votes

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Riot try to make it look like esport is something serious to the world but can't even handle the situation properly.

Didn't make both team pick the exact same champions

Didn't put back the game state it was prior to the bug

If something goes wrong in a any sport match, they don't reset the score board and redo the whole game. They fix the issue somehow and the game restart at the same state it was prior to said issue.

Good job Riot on this, really disappointed.

Disagree with both your points.

You are also wrong about what happens if this happens in any other sport match. In many sports, they just redo the game the next day if it is halted due to unavoidable circumstances. Given that this problem was caused due to in-game bug rather than an external interruption, it is still a software. No software is perfect. Riot themselves admitted that it's a one-in-a-million very-rare bug.

Riot cannot make them pick the same champions because the problem was caused by 1 of the champions of the previous game. Reignover picking that champ again means it was a player choice rather than Riot's choice