Why not give some Championship Points for regular season standings too?

prozak82·4/20/2015, 12:17:22 AM·3 votes·1,319 views

i think its kind of lame that they only give points in the playoffs. what if the 6th seed ends up winning the whole split? a team that has their shit together right from the beginning and maintains good play through all the patches and meta changes of the regular season doesn't get rewarded at all if they get beat by a team that just comes on late in the season or only plays well against a select few teams or only in the current meta.

the playoffs should be worth more overall but they could at least give some points for the regular season standings. it would also help make the regular season games more meaningful instead of just "make sure we are at least in the top 6 to make playoffs"

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Yandere Carry4/20/2015, 12:19:41 AM1 votes

You.... have a very valid point.

NeoDeimos4/20/2015, 1:48:33 AM1 votes

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i think its kind of lame that they only give points in the playoffs. what if the 6th seed ends up winning the whole split? a team that has their shit together right from the beginning and maintains good play through all the patches and meta changes of the regular season doesn't get rewarded at all if they get beat by a team that just comes on late in the season or only plays well against a select few teams or only in the current meta.

They don't get rewarded at all? A team that does well in the regular season IS rewarded in the playoffs. 1st and 2nd place get a bye, 3rd and 4th get red/blue side choice in 3 of the 5 games in the playoffs. 5th and 6th are rewarded with actually having a chance at winning playoffs at all. 7th, congrats, you get to come back next split. 8th and 9th, well, you get a CHANCE at coming back next split. 10th? Good riddance. (Although, I'm not a fan of the auto-relegation. What happens if the 10th place LCS team is easily better than the best Challenger team? You're allowing in a team that's clearly worse than a team that's been kicked out - Not saying that Coast is better than other Challenger teams currently, just a hypothetical scenario).

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the playoffs should be worth more overall but they could at least give some points for the regular season standings. it would also help make the regular season games more meaningful instead of just "make sure we are at least in the top 6 to make playoffs"

Go ahead, tell which me what other region uses some kind of point system in the regular season.. much less any other sport IN GENERAL...

(and by point system, I mean one that actually matters once the playoffs are started. I know the NHL uses a "point system" during the regular season... that's not what I'm talking about here)

prozak824/20/2015, 4:35:49 PM1 votes

the seedings are very minor rewards. do you really think it matters if a team is 3rd seed or 6th? the bye from the top 2 seeds is a little more valuable but I don't think the first and second seeds would have any trouble beating the 5th and 6th if they got rid of the bye.

just because no other region does it doesn't mean it isn't a good idea. how bout you come up with an actual reason why it wouldn't be better for the league? like I said, with the current system a low seeded team could take all the marbles if they get hot for a few weeks, have a good matchup in the playoffs, or just happen to play well on the current meta.

prozak824/21/2015, 5:02:13 PM1 votes

what the hell are you talking about? this has nothing to do with the other regions this is just for lcs to see who the best teams are that should go to worlds and to make sure that the entire spring split isn't pointless like it has been in the past. other regions have different systems for deciding who goes to worlds.

Pigby4/21/2015, 5:48:40 PM1 votes

Well a main disadvantage is that you're potentially rewarding a team that performs very well over the first few weeks of the split, that turns to shit by the end of the split and during the playoffs.

Example: CLG was 3rd before the playoffs, and just barely missed 2nd by losing a tie breaker to c9. If TSM had beat C9 in their last game, CLG would have been 2nd.

And the last team that deserves championship points right now, is CLG

prozak824/21/2015, 6:06:22 PM1 votes

I don't get why you are so hung up on this international thing as its irrelevant. all im talking about doing is splitting up the points between regular season and playoff standings and then at the end of the season the teams with the most points go to worlds. the other regions can do the same thing. im not sure where you are getting confused.

prozak824/21/2015, 6:28:03 PM1 votes

under my system the rankings after the spring split would be

TSM - 24
C9 - 21
TIP - 17
CLG - 16
TL - 15
Gravity - 14
T8 - 4
WFX - 3
DIG - 2
Coast - 1

prozak824/21/2015, 6:47:39 PM1 votes

ive already acknowledged that the playoffs is more important and that's why I made them worth more, but playing well through the regular season still should be worth SOMETHING because its a completely different type of consistency and skill required (the skill to beat lots of different teams with different strategies and to also adapt to roster changes/meta changes throughout the season)

prozak824/21/2015, 9:25:18 PM1 votes

good lord get some reading comprehension. in pretty much every one of my posts I talk about how using just the playoffs isn't a complete measure of a teams skill.

prozak824/21/2015, 11:24:45 PM1 votes

why the hell else would you think I wanted to give championship points for regular season standings? oh that's right to help my favorite team clg get into worlds rofl.

I even pointed out the type of scenario I wanted to avoid in my op. glad you finally figured it out

Vixanys4/22/2015, 12:48:29 PM1 votes

Back to the annoyance that is, not replying to the comment you are responding to. Great. Guess I'll do it to, and just let this float.

Once again, if you spend any amount of time on the forums you will see a convoluted percentage that would delusionally try to reformat the scene or change the importance of things so their favorite teams are put into the a better standing when they perform like shit. As it seems you are not one of these people (though you are still annoying with the way you handle the forums that's another thing entirely) I can only say sorry for my assumptions.

From your OP to just before you detailed exactly what it is you wanted (to me anyways,as documented if you read the string of our conversation, you only mentioned the original intention of find the full measure of a team TWICE in this entire forum thread. One of them being the aforementioned end of our debate.) your entire debate was rewarding teams for the regular season, and then the details of that reward. I admit, this was a mistake on my part and an assumption from some warped perception of most of the fanboys on this eSports forum. For that I apologize.

That's it, let it end, and learn to hit the damn reply button when you are trying to respond to a specific persons comment.

prozak827/28/2015, 10:09:56 PM1 votes

RITO DO DIS!! its such a simple thing would really help to spice up the regular season as right now its just "make sure we are top 6 so we get to playoffs". here are the standings with spring and summer splits combined for my system just to see how it compares with riots current system.

Spring Split

TSM - 24
C9 - 21
TIP - 17
CLG - 16
TL - 15
Gravity - 14
T8 - 4
WFX - 3
DIG - 2
Coast - 1

After Summer Split

TSM - 36
TL - 35
CLG - 34
TIP - 33
C9 - 29
Gravity - 28
DIG - 12
T8 - 10

under my system the winner of playoffs would get 28 points, runner up 24 points, the 2 teams out in the second round 20 points, and the teams out in the first round 16 points.

prozak829/1/2015, 8:24:09 PM1 votes

alright the final standings under my system

CLG - 62
TSM - 60
TL - 55
TIP - 53
Gravity - 44
C9 - 29
DIG - 28
T8 - 10

so they matched up with riots results except for the 3rd worlds slot which my system gives to TL and which riots stupid system gave to C9 - a 6-12 team that didn't even make the playoffs. that's the problem with the current system is that flukes like C9 going to worlds are possible in it.