Why not give some Championship Points for regular season standings too?

prozak82·Apr 20, 2015·3 votes·1,319 views

i think its kind of lame that they only give points in the playoffs. what if the 6th seed ends up winning the whole split? a team that has their shit together right from the beginning and maintains good play through all the patches and meta changes of the regular season doesn't get rewarded at all if they get beat by a team that just comes on late in the season or only plays well against a select few teams or only in the current meta.

the playoffs should be worth more overall but they could at least give some points for the regular season standings. it would also help make the regular season games more meaningful instead of just "make sure we are at least in the top 6 to make playoffs"

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Yandere CarryApr 20, 20151 votes

You.... have a very valid point.

NeoDeimosApr 20, 20151 votes

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i think its kind of lame that they only give points in the playoffs. what if the 6th seed ends up winning the whole split? a team that has their shit together right from the beginning and maintains good play through all the patches and meta changes of the regular season doesn't get rewarded at all if they get beat by a team that just comes on late in the season or only plays well against a select few teams or only in the current meta.

They don't get rewarded at all? A team that does well in the regular season IS rewarded in the playoffs. 1st and 2nd place get a bye, 3rd and 4th get red/blue side choice in 3 of the 5 games in the playoffs. 5th and 6th are rewarded with actually having a chance at winning playoffs at all. 7th, congrats, you get to come back next split. 8th and 9th, well, you get a CHANCE at coming back next split. 10th? Good riddance. (Although, I'm not a fan of the auto-relegation. What happens if the 10th place LCS team is easily better than the best Challenger team? You're allowing in a team that's clearly worse than a team that's been kicked out - Not saying that Coast is better than other Challenger teams currently, just a hypothetical scenario).

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the playoffs should be worth more overall but they could at least give some points for the regular season standings. it would also help make the regular season games more meaningful instead of just "make sure we are at least in the top 6 to make playoffs"

Go ahead, tell which me what other region uses some kind of point system in the regular season.. much less any other sport IN GENERAL...

(and by point system, I mean one that actually matters once the playoffs are started. I know the NHL uses a "point system" during the regular season... that's not what I'm talking about here)

prozak82Apr 20, 20151 votes

the seedings are very minor rewards. do you really think it matters if a team is 3rd seed or 6th? the bye from the top 2 seeds is a little more valuable but I don't think the first and second seeds would have any trouble beating the 5th and 6th if they got rid of the bye.

just because no other region does it doesn't mean it isn't a good idea. how bout you come up with an actual reason why it wouldn't be better for the league? like I said, with the current system a low seeded team could take all the marbles if they get hot for a few weeks, have a good matchup in the playoffs, or just happen to play well on the current meta.

VixanysApr 20, 20152 votes

Honestly the entire season is used as a platform for the playoffs. It is to see which teams should be in the LCS (promo/relegations) and which team should have the opportunity to play in the international play.

Giving the points at that particular time would not make any sense. This would be like giving Coast/Giants (auto-relegated teams) points when they would literally mean nothing. As the focus of region specific regular season play is to identify those teams that may be a good contention for international play and place them in the Playoffs.

You see the correlation? Identify which teams have Potential for competitive international experience and then flush out that potential with a playoff.

I'm going to make an assumption and point out from what you have stated, you are a CLG fan. There is nothing wrong with that, but honestly, I don't want a team that can't perform in region specific playoffs (no matter how well they appear throughout a regular season) to represent NA internationally in any capacity. Correct me if I'm wrong but, that can be the only reason I can see why you would want a team to be rewarded for regular season play (especially with the crap format of Best of One).

VixanysApr 20, 20151 votes

On an additional note: In regards to your "No other regions do this" statement from whoever commented about it. There is a region that rewards Seasonal Play for Playoffs. LCK (Korea) runs a gauntlet system.

If you don't know what this is I will explain.

Standings throughout the season predict your placement in the playoffs. The most impressive or detrimental (whether you are a fan of giving incentives in the playoff for seasonal play) feature of this is that First place throughout the season is automatically in the Playoff Finals. 2nd place is automatically in the Semi finals. 3/4 are the first quarter-final. So the winner of the Quarter Faces 2nd place. And the Winner of Semi takes on 1st place team.

In addition to this, Even though in LCK only 4 teams are in the playoffs they still use the Point System for worlds that Riot promotes,

So 5th and 6th place teams get 10 points, but other places points are once again determined by playoff standings. (Loser of the Quarter is 4/ Loser of the Semi is 3rd/ Etc.)

This would look something like this if applied to the LCS:

5/6 first match > Winner takes on 4th > Winner takes on 3rd > Winner Takes on 2nd > Winner takes on 1st

NA: (TL vs GV > vs TiP > vs CLG > vs C9 > vs TSM) EU: (CW vs UoL > vs GMB > vs h2K > vs Fnatic > vs SK)

Back to the point of CLG they would have only been guaranteed 20 more Championship points, because they would have been guaranteed at least a 4th place finish if this gauntlet format was run.

Yandere CarryApr 20, 20151 votes

That isn't true.

VixanysApr 20, 20152 votes

Please elaborate, as your statement leaves much detail to be desired. Stating something isn't true and not providing what isn't accurate or where the mis-interpretation, is rather annoying.

prozak82Apr 20, 20151 votes

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Honestly the entire season is used as a platform for the playoffs. It is to see which teams should be in the LCS (promo/relegations) and which team should have the opportunity to play in the international play.

Giving the points at that particular time would not make any sense. This would be like giving Coast/Giants (auto-relegated teams) points when they would literally mean nothing. As the focus of region specific regular season play is to identify those teams that may be a good contention for international play and place them in the Playoffs.

You see the correlation? Identify which teams have Potential for competitive international experience and then flush out that potential with a playoff.

I'm going to make an assumption and point out from what you have stated, you are a CLG fan. There is nothing wrong with that, but honestly, I don't want a team that can't perform in region specific playoffs (no matter how well they appear throughout a regular season) to represent NA internationally in any capacity. Correct me if I'm wrong but, that can be the only reason I can see why you would want a team to be rewarded for regular season play (especially with the crap format of Best of One).

yes I know that the entire regular season is just for playoff seeding and that's what im trying to fix. all im saying is that they should split up the rewards between regular season performance and playoff performance.

playoff performance is just a snapshot of skill at that time. the regular season rankings reflect a teams ability to be consistent and to adapt to meta changes at the beginning and throughout the season - 2 things that I feel should be rewarded more.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

I still think they should do it like I mentioned below (in my additional note) about the LCK Regular season ranks affecting tournament standings to such a degree if a true underdog is on the rise, then they have to go through everyone to prove it.

That would be more rewarding without directly interfering with Championship Points (well at least fully since some teams would be guaranteed points based off their performance).

RhlaxApr 21, 20151 votes

Isn't group stage in Worlds also best of one?

Teams such as CLG that plays with effort during regular season should be rewarded for their effort.

Their effort made NA LCS more interesting.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

You want to let a team that only seems to be good at playing best of ones play in the Group Stage of Worlds? Against teams that have proven themselves as the best in their regions (Both Regular season and playoffs)?

I don't understand the thought process behind that. We want the very best in each region to battle each other in all areas of competition (Best of 1, Playoffs combined!!!!).

RhlaxApr 21, 20151 votes

What we really want is entertainment.

If rewarding teams in regular season means more competitive games/ more entertainment, then why not?

I pay for entertainment.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

And team managers/owners pay their team to win (as shown by teams making roster changes based on performance: Goodbye Link :( ). Organizations sponsor teams for publicity which is greater the farther teams go. Teams increase the longevity of their rosters by winning as well as tournament winnings ($$$$$$) and other bonuses.

Entertainment is our, the fans, goal. Every fan has a different idea of entertainment. Some people can watch random no-name people play ARAM and be entertained. Some people are team-centric in focus (Curse or Die!). And some people just want to watch the very best play. And so many other forms of entertainment that can be found with League of Legends.

In a competitive scene for any sport, no one wins worlds by only doing well in their specific region. And while matches can be entertaining, there is no competitive basis in entertaining fans. The only competitive focus is Who Is The Best.

RhlaxApr 21, 20151 votes

I speak from the POV that teams that try the hardest during regular seasons should be rewarded.

By rewarded, I mean so marginally. Playoff would be rewarded much more.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

Them having a career(getting a salery) as an esports team and living in a gaming house isn't reward enough. What about the enjoyment of being cheered on in a studio twice a week?

I mean, playing games and getting paid to do so, sounds rewarding to me.

NeoDeimosApr 20, 20151 votes

First off, congrats on not replying to the correct comment.

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yes I know that the entire regular season is just for playoff seeding and that's what im trying to fix. all im saying is that they should split up the rewards between regular season performance and playoff performance.

playoff performance is just a snapshot of skill at that time. the regular season rankings reflect a teams ability to be consistent and to adapt to meta changes at the beginning and throughout the season - 2 things that I feel should be rewarded more.

"yes I know that the entire regular season is just for playoff seeding and that's what im trying to fix". You're assuming that there is something that is in need of fixing... there isn't.

"the regular season rankings reflect a teams ability to be consistent...". You mean, a bunch of Best of 1s shows consistency..? No, not at all. Playing a SERIES shows consistency. Playing one single game shows that flukes happen (i.e. Team 8 beating TSM in Week 1).

"playoff performance is just a snapshot of skill at that time". 'Congrats, you played decently on a patch from 3 months ago, huzzah!!! ... It's too bad that you're playing like absolute horse manure now. But, we're still going to reward you for what you've done in the past that nobody remembers any longer'. No thanks, live in the here and now, not in the past.

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

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First off, congrats on not replying to the correct comment.

"yes I know that the entire regular season is just for playoff seeding and that's what im trying to fix". You're assuming that there is something that is in need of fixing... there isn't.

"the regular season rankings reflect a teams ability to be consistent...". You mean, a bunch of Best of 1s shows consistency..? No, not at all. Playing a SERIES shows consistency. Playing one single game shows that flukes happen (i.e. Team 8 beating TSM in Week 1).

"playoff performance is just a snapshot of skill at that time". 'Congrats, you played decently on a patch from 3 months ago, huzzah!!! ... It's too bad that you're playing like absolute horse manure now. But, we're still going to reward you for what you've done in the past that nobody remembers any longer'. No thanks, live in the here and now, not in the past.

yes it does need fixing if there is a better way to do something then it should be done. combining regular season performance with playoff performance gives you a better overall picture of a teams ability. this is undisputable.

you could give 10 points for first place in regular season, 9 for second, 8 for third and so on. then give 14 for whoever wins the playoffs, 12 for the runner up, 10 for the other 2 semifinalists, and 8 for the two teams that lost in the first round. this puts more value on the playoffs so that a first place regular season team that gets runner up in the playoffs will still be below a second place regular season team that wins the playoffs. then you could double the points for the results of the summer split so that teams can make up a lot of ground during the summer. its a good blend of the different skills needed to win in the regular season and the playoffs.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

That would completely break the entire value of the purposed point system. You'll notice the point system is values of 10 for a reason (no fracken 99 to 99 ties).

Keep in mind that the Championship Points are Riots idea to keep some semblance of consistency between regions that have varying formats.

LCK with their Best of 3 (Each team playing each other twice over the course of two 6 week half-splits both equaling a full split) LPL with their Series of 2 (Each team playing each other twice) NA/EU LCS with their Best of 1 (Each team playing each other twice) LMS with their Best of 1 (Each team playing each other three times)

The points that Riot proposed are to keep things consistent. Each region also has a different number of teams.

NA/EU have 10 each. LCK have 8. LMS have 8. LPL have 12.

Your method of rewarding regular season play with Championship points only that are only used for worlds would in all honesty be completely and un-necessarily messy.

How fair is it to reward points to teams in LPL that purposely troll the last two weeks to get the seating they want to so they have the best chance in the playoffs? How about LCK when Standings are finalized, but you have KT kicking ass and looking badass, and still not getting any points?

The way it is now gives incentive to teams to make it to the playoffs. You don't make it, you have no real reason to get points. You make it, you fight for more.

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

what the hell are you talking about? this has nothing to do with the other regions this is just for lcs to see who the best teams are that should go to worlds and to make sure that the entire spring split isn't pointless like it has been in the past. other regions have different systems for deciding who goes to worlds.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

You understand Championship Points are for ALL regions. Not just NA/EU LCS right? They are not some special thing for NA/EU.

Riot, in there Overlording or Infinite Wisdom, created the Championship Point System to have a consistent system for Worlds for ALL major regions.

Winner of Summer Splits = first seat Winner of the Championship Points = second seat Regional Qualifier (seated by the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th place teams by Championship Point standings) = third seat.

How can you talk about giving points that are internationally used to only a single region or set of regions. Please, get more information about all of this before you comment, because it doesn't sound like you know what Championship Points are.

**** Edit **Just a note this only applies to regions with 3 seats to worlds (Minus China as Tencent Games must have not worked with Riot to conform this).

PigbyApr 21, 20151 votes

Well a main disadvantage is that you're potentially rewarding a team that performs very well over the first few weeks of the split, that turns to shit by the end of the split and during the playoffs.

Example: CLG was 3rd before the playoffs, and just barely missed 2nd by losing a tie breaker to c9. If TSM had beat C9 in their last game, CLG would have been 2nd.

And the last team that deserves championship points right now, is CLG

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

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Well a main disadvantage is that you're potentially rewarding a team that performs very well over the first few weeks of the split, that turns to shit by the end of the split and during the playoffs.

Example: CLG was 3rd before the playoffs, and just barely missed 2nd by losing a tie breaker to c9. If TSM had beat C9 in their last game, CLG would have been 2nd.

And the last team that deserves championship points right now, is TSM.

that's why I made the playoffs worth more points than the regular season standings.

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

I don't get why you are so hung up on this international thing as its irrelevant. all im talking about doing is splitting up the points between regular season and playoff standings and then at the end of the season the teams with the most points go to worlds. the other regions can do the same thing. im not sure where you are getting confused.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

_I don't understand why you can't just reply to the comment you are discussing. It's rather annoying and to be honest it looks like you are just trying to avoid the conversation. _

Fine, we will leave out the International complications. I don't want to confuse you and honestly it shouldn't but whatever.

You want to reward teams for seasonal play. I don't understand why you are so confused about why that options is bad. Rewarding a team for Best of 1s, is not a good option. Some teams suck at Multi-game series (WHICH IS WHAT WORLDS IS AFTER GROUPS!) they can't adapt or they lack differing strategies (I'm looking at you SK). Why do we want to give a team that can only win a single game and not adapt/diversify an inlet to worlds?

Let's Elaborate and comment on your original post: To Quote you:

a team that has their shit together right from the beginning and maintains good play through all the patches and meta changes of the regular season...

Should Maintain that performance in Playoffs. If not then they did not remain a good team. And they are rewarded with whatever place they got in the playoff.

if they get beat by a team that just comes on late in the season or only plays well against a select few teams or only in the current meta.

A team that adapts and performs when it counts shouldn't be rewarded for making the playoffs and beating a higher seeded team? Is this what you are suggesting?

Overall, you aren't going to change this system. There isn't a problem with the current system. Would I like to see NA/EU adapt a Best of 3 regular season and an LCK-esque Gauntlet Playoffs to award teams that play extremely well in the regular season. Sure, but rewarding teams that can't stay consistent (including the playoffs) is ridiculous.

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

under my system the rankings after the spring split would be

TSM - 24
C9 - 21
TIP - 17
CLG - 16
TL - 15
Gravity - 14
T8 - 4
WFX - 3
DIG - 2
Coast - 1

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

So this is just the regular season points if we add in the Playoffs you will see why it doesn't matter:

TSM - 114 (+90)

C9 - 91 (+70)
TL - 65 (+50)
TIP - 47 (+30)
CLG - 26 (+10)
Gravity - 24 (+10)
T8 - 4
WFX - 3
DIG - 2
Coast - 1

Unless that was your total points. Then /lol cause that's bad. First place only gets 3 more points than Second. Third only gets 1 more point than 4. I feel like everyone is getting Trundle

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

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So this is just the regular season points if we add in the Playoffs you will see why it doesn't matter: 2. C9 - 91 (+70) 3. TL - 65 (+50) 4. TIP - 47 (+30) 5. CLG - 26 (+10) 6. Gravity - 24 (+10) 7. T8 - 4 8. WFX - 3 9. DIG - 2 10. Coast - 1

Unless that was your total points. Then /lol cause that's bad. First place only gets 3 more points than Second. Third only gets 1 more point than 4. I feel like everyone is getting

my standings are regular season and playoffs already combined. and what does it matter how close the teams are? that's what you want to make things exciting and make every position in the standings important. I feel like you should learn some basic math before you start criticizing systems like this.

with the points doubled for the results of the summer split (20 points for first place, 18 for second, 16 for third and so on) you can see that it is still anyones game which is how it should be.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

You finally decide to reply specifically to a comment T.T

Copy Pasta from above: So let me see if I got your point system right.

Regular Season: 10/9/8/7/6/5/4/3/2/1 Playoffs: 14/12/10/10/8/8

This makes the 3rd place match not matter because there is no point difference. Also, with the small point pools you have here, it leaves no room for any team that didn't place in the top 6 in Spring to have a chance (minus winning Summer Playoffs) of going to worlds.

I understand you want to make Spring more important, but all of your points and values seem to be focused on getting CLG to worlds and personally the way they play (beyond Best of 1s) I don't want them there.

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

ive already acknowledged that the playoffs is more important and that's why I made them worth more, but playing well through the regular season still should be worth SOMETHING because its a completely different type of consistency and skill required (the skill to beat lots of different teams with different strategies and to also adapt to roster changes/meta changes throughout the season)

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

So let me see if I got your point system right.

Regular Season: 10/9/8/7/6/5/4/3/2/1 Playoffs: 14/12/10/10/8/8

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

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So let me see if I got your point system right.

Regular Season: 10/9/8/7/6/5/4/3/2/1 Playoffs: 14/12/10/10/8/8

This makes the 3rd place match not matter because there is no point difference. Also, with the small point pools you have here, it leaves no room for any team that didn't place in the top 6 in Spring to have a chance (minus winning Summer Playoffs) of going to worlds.

I understand you want to make Spring more important, but all of your points and values seem to be focused on getting CLG to worlds and personally the way they play (beyond Best of 1s) I don't want them there.

yes you wouldn't need to have a 3rd place match in playoffs (who gives a crap about those anyways) and there would be 48 points max available to whoever wins the summer split regular season and playoffs, so it wouldn't be impossible for a team that doesnt make the playoffs in spring to go to worlds but you would need the top teams from spring to drop off a bit. why would you want a team that sucks for half the season going to worlds anyway? and what is with your stupid clg fanboy conspiracy theory I don't give a shit about clg I just want the teams going to worlds to be the best overall teams and that includes regular season performance.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

There is no reason for you to say:

why would you want a team that sucks for half the season going to worlds anyway?

and think there is a problem with the current system. Right now, only teams that do well in the regular season go to Playoffs (Yes this includes Spring Split). Then as long as they perform in the playoffs, they go to worlds or at the very least get a hell of a chance..

What about your system adds anything more to the current system? What's the saying...If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

How about this, you detail what about the current system is broke from what happened this split. TSM places First in the Regular season and First in the Playoffs. They get rewarded in the playoffs of this split with a bye into SemiFinals and when they win they get 90 points. Which is basically a foot into worlds (they are almost guaranteed to at least place in the Regional Qualifier for Worlds as long as they don't go 7th/8th/9th/10th in Summer ).

From the above example, what is wrong with the system? If you can't do that, then explain a specific issue you find in the system, because you seem to be doing a shit job of it and seeming just care about pointing out how your system is better. Not what exactly is wrong with the current system, which leads people (yes me) into thinking you have ulterior motives.

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

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There is no reason for you to say:

and think there is a problem with the current system. Right now, only teams that do well in the regular season go to Playoffs (Yes this includes Spring Split). Then as long as they perform in the playoffs, they go to worlds or at the very least get a hell of a chance..

What about your system adds anything more to the current system? What's the saying...If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

How about this, you detail what about the current system is broke from what happened this split. TSM places First in the Regular season and First in the Playoffs. They get rewarded in the playoffs of this split with a bye into SemiFinals and when they win they get 90 points. Which is basically a foot into worlds (they are almost guaranteed to at least place in the Regional Qualifier for Worlds as long as they don't go 7th/8th/9th/10th in Summer ).

From the above example, what is wrong with the system? If you can't do that, then explain a specific issue you find in the system, because you seem to be doing a shit job of it and seeming just care about pointing out how your system is better. Not what exactly is wrong with the current system, which leads people (yes me) into thinking you have ulterior motives.

can you not read? ive already said that the problem with the current system is its not as complete a picture of a teams skill as it would be if it included regular season play. just look at team liquid. they barely make it into the playoffs as a 500 team and end up third just because they have a couple good playoff matchups or happen to play well on the current meta. if they are such a good team why were they only 500 in the regular season? in my system they are 5th because of their lackluster regular season performance.

im not sure why you are so against having a more complete representation of a teams skill.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

You have never explained the issue exactly as you just did. Details. Re-read every single one of your posts/comments in our discussion and you will never see "complete representation of a teams skill". You will see comments like:

a team that has their shit together right from the beginning and maintains good play through all the patches and meta changes of the regular season doesn't get rewarded at all if they get beat by a team that just comes on late in the season or only plays well against a select few teams or only in the current meta.

and

playoff performance is just a snapshot of skill at that time. the regular season rankings reflect a teams ability to be consistent and to adapt to meta changes at the beginning and throughout the season - 2 things that I feel should be rewarded more.

Your entire argument with me was rewarding teams for regular season play. Which is what I was debating about. Never once was there anything about isolating and creating a clear landscape of a teams skill.

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

good lord get some reading comprehension. in pretty much every one of my posts I talk about how using just the playoffs isn't a complete measure of a teams skill.

VixanysApr 21, 20151 votes

No, there it isn't. And you insulting me isn't proving it.

I just re-read EVERY single response you had to our debate and never once did you isolate it down to a full measure of skill of a team. The whole reason this debate even started was because you wanted to reward a team for their performance in the regular season.

After reading some other comments. There is ONE other post by you on this entire forum thread where you mention anything about a teams complete skill level or measure.

yes it does need fixing if there is a better way to do something then it should be done. combining regular season performance with playoff performance gives you a better overall picture of a teams ability. this is undisputable.

which wasn't even a response to anything I said, it was pointed at: NeoDeimos. /end discussion

prozak82Apr 21, 20151 votes

why the hell else would you think I wanted to give championship points for regular season standings? oh that's right to help my favorite team clg get into worlds rofl.

I even pointed out the type of scenario I wanted to avoid in my op. glad you finally figured it out

VixanysApr 22, 20151 votes

Back to the annoyance that is, not replying to the comment you are responding to. Great. Guess I'll do it to, and just let this float.

Once again, if you spend any amount of time on the forums you will see a convoluted percentage that would delusionally try to reformat the scene or change the importance of things so their favorite teams are put into the a better standing when they perform like shit. As it seems you are not one of these people (though you are still annoying with the way you handle the forums that's another thing entirely) I can only say sorry for my assumptions.

From your OP to just before you detailed exactly what it is you wanted (to me anyways,as documented if you read the string of our conversation, you only mentioned the original intention of find the full measure of a team TWICE in this entire forum thread. One of them being the aforementioned end of our debate.) your entire debate was rewarding teams for the regular season, and then the details of that reward. I admit, this was a mistake on my part and an assumption from some warped perception of most of the fanboys on this eSports forum. For that I apologize.

That's it, let it end, and learn to hit the damn reply button when you are trying to respond to a specific persons comment.

prozak82Jul 28, 20151 votes

RITO DO DIS!! its such a simple thing would really help to spice up the regular season as right now its just "make sure we are top 6 so we get to playoffs". here are the standings with spring and summer splits combined for my system just to see how it compares with riots current system.

Spring Split

TSM - 24
C9 - 21
TIP - 17
CLG - 16
TL - 15
Gravity - 14
T8 - 4
WFX - 3
DIG - 2
Coast - 1

After Summer Split

TSM - 36
TL - 35
CLG - 34
TIP - 33
C9 - 29
Gravity - 28
DIG - 12
T8 - 10

under my system the winner of playoffs would get 28 points, runner up 24 points, the 2 teams out in the second round 20 points, and the teams out in the first round 16 points.

prozak82Sep 1, 20151 votes

alright the final standings under my system

CLG - 62
TSM - 60
TL - 55
TIP - 53
Gravity - 44
C9 - 29
DIG - 28
T8 - 10

so they matched up with riots results except for the 3rd worlds slot which my system gives to TL and which riots stupid system gave to C9 - a 6-12 team that didn't even make the playoffs. that's the problem with the current system is that flukes like C9 going to worlds are possible in it.

Ale non è maleSep 1, 20151 votes

flukes? C9 beat Gravity, TiP and TL in nack to back to back Bo5. That is not fluke at all, C9 can't be penalized because in one split RS they had broken balance and thus bad results if after solved that they are the 3rd best team in NA

prozak82Sep 2, 20151 votes

yes its a fluke. they were 6-12 and didn't even make playoffs and went on a hot/lucky streak to get in. TL deserved it way more they were the top team this split. because c9 sucked so bad in the regular season they showed they cant adapt well to changes and worlds will be a much different meta than what it is now. the current system makes the regular season so pointless and I hate it.

Ale non è maleSep 4, 20151 votes

They had a bad record with a different jungler, their level in Regionals wasn't even close to their level in summer split RS. They showed with Hai as jungler that they can adapt and beat back to back to back Gravity, TiP and TL TL lost all the multiple chances they earn throughout the season with their RS play in playoff, well, it happens Actually RS season is meaningful because you get a guaranteed minimum amount of points through it (if you got 1st or 2nd in the split you can't earn less than 4th place point cause of the bye you receive to the semifinal), but playoff is meaningufl as well, and if TL can't just perform in playoffs - in all of the spring, summer and regionals qualifier playoffs - isn't a fault of anyone but their

prozak82Sep 5, 20151 votes

RS and playoffs are meaningful? C9 sucked total dick in the RS and weren't even in the playoffs and still went to worlds. that doesn't seem very meaningful to me.

Ale non è maleSep 6, 20151 votes

RS is meaningful because give you a minimum amount of championship points. Playoffs are meaningful because you see which are the better teams in Bo5 C9 sucked dick with a different roster, they changed it and crushed the 4th,5th and 6th team in NA in back to back to back Bo5