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I don't understand your logic, if TIP is better than C9, why did they lose? And as for C9 getting wrecked at worlds, they very well may, but do you think any of the other teams would do better?

Also I think NA is getting way to much hate as being hands down the worst region, OFF OF ONE TOURNAMENT, WITH ONE NA TEAM WHO CHOKED. The regions are closer in skill now then they have ever been, and I think there is a chance NA surprises some people this worlds. I wouldn't count NA out quite yet.

SKT lost to CJ in a Bo3 this split. Does that mean CJ Is a better team than SKT? Don't look at 1 game. See the bigger picture. I think that CLG will do better than C9 at Worlds but C9 and TSM will pretty much do the same (2-4 is my prediction).

I am not hating on NA. I am hating on West. I watch all games from NA/EU LCS and LCK and some close games from LPL. When it comes to Bo3s and Bo5s, I agree. NA/EU are much closed in skill compared to Asian teams. But Bo1s, they can't match the asian teams' aggression unless they pull out some cheese. (I'll give you one example, Watch LPL finals between LGD and QG)

Only team in NA that can match their aggression is TiP and the only team that can pull a cheese off is GV. That's why I said TiP and GV are better teams for worlds than C9. Now you get my logic?

Don't get me wrong. My favorite team in the world is CLG (a NA team) and I would be the happiest person in the world if NA goes far this season. But, unfortunately, I don't see that happening. CLG is doing very good but my concern is only 2/5 members of the team have been to Worlds before and I am afraid the nerves will get to them (especially Pobelter).

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**If Hai had just freaking stayed at mid instead of doing a Brett Favre and unretiring, C9 could have won this entire split. **Instead, Incarnati0n was brought in, and apparently needed to stay in.

Nope. C9 was starting to look really sloppy with their historic line-up in Spring Split when they had a very hard time beating TL and then got crushed by TSM (that we saw from MSI going on was nothing really good at all), with CLG rise in the summer that old line-up that was breaking down cause Hai couldn't play anymore mid with his wrist problems wouldn't have gone anywhere

Get over it, it is fine being a Meteos die-hard fan, and I don't think he is a bad player at all - put him in h2k instead of loulex, for example, and h2k become a real threat in Europe instead of being trashed by the teams that are at top of the table in the various different splits -, but the reality is that C9 has lost nothing in Meteos-Incarnation swap...heck, if anything, counting that hai is godlike in shotcalling but as far as jungler skills goes is, meh, below average - and he is yet doing miracles since he is not jungle main -, C9 has actually gotten better once they find a jungler main who can shotcall for them

He stepped down in agreement with the team because he didn't want to show to be dumped and because the organization still see him as a valuable asset - C9 always had a Challenger team and they have to rebuild now after the ringing accident that hit C9Tempest in Spring and the subsequent fail of their Challenger team in Summer, and they think they can get a new one with meteos as captain -

So what your saying is, because someone who is NEW to playing jungle in a professional role played a non meta (for lcs) jungler in a way thats different than what everyone else is doing that somehow demerits their achievements? If they cant win aginst a person who only just started playing their role halfway through the split and has much less experience in the role than these other players then they don't deserve to win its that simple. Shyvanna jungle is strong its true but like any other champ or role in the game it has its counter play. It isnt as if c9 completely swept any of these bo5s every single one could have ended either way based on the individual play. It was the decisions that they made such as when to baron and when to push ect that netted c9 the wins. It dosent matter that hai was playing shyvanna he did the same thing on rengar. You dont need to play a carry to be a shot caller. He played the gragas he played kha'zix. They diddnt even need to focus it around hai either. They got sneaky on vayne with an orianna mid and another source of shield too and boom look what happens. Vayne quadra. When it comes down to it, its the player themselves that decide the games not the particular "op"-ness of a certian item or champion. And so what? even if it wasnt in the game coulda shoulda woulda boo hoo. Thats like saying oh well if azir had been disabled TL never would have gotten the spot they got. What ever c9 won it accept it and move on.