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Here is why NA PRO teams struggle against EU teams despite playing better than usual

fountainAFK··2 votes·2,232 views

NA has actually played over my expectations during this Rift Rivals tournament so far. I have seen a lot less mechanical mistakes than what is common in NA during the LCS and it's clear NA came prepared.

But despite that, NA is still is packing a 0 win 4 losses score against teams that don't bring their best champs, are substituting junglers or swapping positions. Meanwhile NA teams are tryharding with Sona Taric (a combo C9 did well with in NA), but due to mechanical difference has no chance.

I can be wrong but I think I know why NA has no hope and probably won't have a chance during this rift rivals and later words this year either.

I did a thread weeks before where I raised concerns that: NA can't compete internationally playing like they do. People did not agree that much and argued against me.

I'm no expert but I sort of have an eye for bad play as I have laned against multiple pro players from EU myself (top 100 and even top 10 players on the server, some of these I know for sure are on a PRO teams). I have some grasp of what good laning looks like and what "meh" laning looks like.

Here is the problem with NA if we are to speak openly. The first thing that goes through your head watching NA challengers streaming in solo Q is usually "yeah I would win that lane 9 out of 10 times, even if I fell behind". That's what you think when you see challengers from NA stream, the laning is just so bad from both sides and the decision making too, its nothing special, diamond plays. I think it's fair to say that "in general most NA challengers would be skilled close to diamond or masters on EU or LPL", I can be wrong but I think the gap is around there somewhere.

So there is no shock that when you put together a team of players that are NA challengers they have big issues competing internationally. You are bringing what would internationally be diamond/master players to a game with only challengers.

NA has played well this tournament for their skill level, EU has not, but the gap is just showing and even their best is (diamond low masters) and looking not too good.

I think somewhere your top players too realizes the gap has just got so wide many have given up trying to become number one, and with that attitude you can't win. You have your players like Sneaky out traveling taking photos of himself during the most crucial periods this season instead of mastering LoL and coaching his team that can't compete anymore. This is probably the actions of a person escaping reality and giving up. I think NA's best know they are so behind they might as well just go around doing whatever for weeks, the results will be the same (good enough for NA still, but not for international).

Maybe I'm completely wrong and NA will prove this post bogus during the upcoming best of 5's. I hope you deliver this time since NA is probably done for forever as a competitive region if it sucks super hard this tournament and later also at worlds.

8 Comments

QuadraBananas3 votes

if you saying some bullshitt, at least make it less obvious pls. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

P4ppino1 votes

EU > NA

QuadraBananas1 votes

[{quoted}](name=SS Pappino,realm=EUNE,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=9w6tPWtX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-29T10:10:06.415+0000)

EU > NA

yes, eu>na indeed

QuadraBananas1 votes

{quoted}

if you saying some bullshitt, at least make it less obvious pls. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

imma make it more clear for everyone since it seems it need to be explained

fountainAFK's point

  1. I have seen a lot less mechanical mistakes than what is common in NA during the LCS and it's clear NA came prepared.
  • they fucked up so bad that they made mistake that even I wouldnt make... and im just gold
  1. NA can't compete internationally playing like they do. People did not agree that much and argued against me
  • if you watch both TL-IG AND TL-G2 (just 1 example), you would notice that the main issue is that they are sometimes playing well, sometimes forget to put in their brain before match. there is a lack of consistency in the quality of their games. they indeed are behind, but at their best they are just as good, while at their worst they are vietnam lvl, just need to stop going so low from time to time.
  1. in general most NA challengers would be skilled close to diamond or masters on EU or LPL
  • uhm, nope... people are memeing about it, but a NA pro player is a EU challenger, just not top of EU challenger. the regional difference isnt as insane as what memeing people make it sounds like. 4.I'm no expert but I sort of have an eye for bad play as I have laned against multiple pro players from EU myself (top 100 and even top 10 players on the server, some of these I know for sure are on a PRO teams) -YoU fOrGoT To UsE yOuR cHaLlEnGoUr AcCoUnT tO pOsT tHiS!!! i doubt you are a master or even challenger player, sorry. especially after you said NA did less mistakes than usual... 5.NA has played well this tournament for their skill level, EU has not -NA has played so horribly my eyes hurt, EU indeed played very casually tho.
  1. long text about 0 motivation from player -that one is true for most NA players unfortunately.
BigBellBrute1 votes

{quoted}

imma make it more clear for everyone since it seems it need to be explained

You didn't make it any more clear. By the way I don't think anyone needed anything explained. BTW, Liquid seems to be competing just fine. They're 3-1 and that 1 loss they were ahead and just over pursued and dumped it. Things like that happen in events such as this. And it is easily corrected.

TSM and C9 on the other hand have work to do. But I think we all knew that going in.

Too Old 2 PvP1 votes

......thanks Howard, and now back to Brent Musberger at courtside

HeeroTX1 votes

The main problem is that EVERYONE will tel you that NA solo-q is garbage. That's known and I'm sure there are several reasons for it, but it means our "farm system" is just awful. (as proven by the age of our best team vs all the other top regions) I think in "original" league, NA is better or at least on par with EU, altho worse than Korea and probably China. In "Team Deathmatch League", (that Riot seems to be aiming for now) NA is worse than EU. Where we'd stand vs Korea & China is questionable if we stabilize. I think China will likely be better than us for a variety of reasons and Korea would POSSIBLY be like EU was IF we get over our fear of them. We did badly against Korea at MSI because we wanted to play the Korean style and they're better at it than us.

But it'll be interesting to see which playerbases abandon the game first. Right now it looks like NA will be the leader on that, but if the game keeps in this direction Korea could run for the door also.

JavelinJoe2 votes

I agree, its because the farm teams are toxic af players who either enjoy OTP play-styles over team comps based ones, or are not skilled enough without abusing "META/try-hard/broken" champions to do half the work for them.

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