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"No one wanted to scrim us"

xJLx MCHammer··6 votes·956 views

Wow! Honestly, I was not a big fan of ANX. I gave them respect not for getting out of the groups but because they actually played well. They outperformed many teams, not just the teams in their groups.

I did not get a chance to watch the games so I did today. Hearing the players from ANX say that no team wanted to scrim them. Quite upsetting because you gotta agree it's a uphill battle for the wildcard teams.

Respect!

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III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Also look at what teams do when they scrim. When your a team facing another team you want to win right ? If a team picks champions that makes no sense to any meta, the team that is scrimming you wont to take you serious and the word will go around " hey these guys are taking scrims like it's a joke" because their not playing meta picks.

So if you want to scrim with teams you need to pick "meta" picks and that is where and why most NA/EU teams fall to LCK teams because they pick "meta" picks and the LCK teams get to see how these other teams/players play the champions that they will mostly likely see on stage from those teams/players.

SO it's like "video taping" teams scrims NFL NE Patriot style. It's an advantage NOT to scrim teams 1-2 weeks before Worlds why would you give ANYTHING away so close to Worlds!
Look at the TSM vs SKT games that got leaked TSM played similar on stage at Worlds that they did against SKT in those 3 games they won 2 out of the 3. A week later 3-3 eliminated.

#Advantage to ANX for not giving anything away to teams 1 week before the biggest tournament and not showing teams their "hand" and their "ace in the whole" before Worlds.

Draqone1 votes

You realise teams scrim with Koreans to check what is considered meta and what they can improve? To see where you make mistakes you MUST scrim against team that punish the smallest mistakes (aka Korean).

ANX did not look like a team that played well enough.

The reason why people SHOULD scrim even with IWC teams however is because the more teams you scrim the less likely you are to be wrong about what is meta. If you only scrim with 2 or 3 teams it's possible those scrims will develop their own meta that'll then get you crushed at worlds when you play other teams that those picks are not as effective against. A great example of that is IMTs Lucian top....

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Why would you scrim against teams that have already shown to beat you 6 years in a row but you keep on scrimming them?

" teams scrim with Koreans to check what is considered meta"

  • Yeah Korean teams are like " ok guys this champion sucks and this champion is a Korean destroyer but don't you pick it against us" Why not just make up your own meta (that makes some sense) I'm not saying Lucain Top or anything but it's not that hard figuring out what champions are meta and which aren't. Or just look at Faker's and Smeb's match history and see what champions they play.
    Every region already knows the LCK region will pounce on any and all mistakes anyways. " I need to scrim X team so I can practice on not dying in lane" "We need to scrim so we can practice against these other team " - Like just obvious shitt that can be tweaked with not scrimming teams and getting a hobo to watch a game for $5 and have them tell you what you did wrong.

    It's like a magic performer(X) showing his best magic tricks but their tricks suck anways to another performer(W) for practice but the performer(W) that is already the best in the World doesn't actually gives any of their best tricks but just the simple garbage tricks to performer(X) so they can droll over the trick that is garbage but to performer(X) the trick is amazing but to performer(w) it's just a simple trick that a baboon could pull off or just gets to see more tricks at a cost that the performer(X) might get a tiny bit better but won't close the gap anyways.

    Can't beat a team on strategy in the same book that the Koreans wrote; long story short

" The reason why people SHOULD scrim even with IWC teams however is because the more teams you scrim the less likely you are to be wrong about what is meta. If you only scrim with 2 or 3 teams it's possible those scrims will develop their own meta that'll then get you crushed at worlds when you play other teams that those picks are not as effective against"

  • I understand what you're saying but it pointed it out about but Lucian top was just dumb but IMT. Look at League right now it's obvious that Riot places certain champions in certain roles but ADC top meta is far fetched and world class teams should know a simple Jayce top/ Vlad mid etc and between Lucain top.
    I mean ANX did their own meta and beat CLG(a NA team that just mimics what LCK does) twice and got out of groups. I understand the scrim after Group stage where there is so much pressure on each game as a BO1: but groups is for unorthodox picks as it's the best time to eliminate some of these heavy favorites from the tournament.

    Picking meta picks/Scrim with the top teams only benefit those top tier teams.
    I'm most likely wrong but not many upsets that isn't just 1 game is coming in the group stages as far as top tier teams being eliminated but regions keep on keeping on scrimming with these top tier teams with no real results to show for it.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

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Also look at what teams do when they scrim. When your a team facing another team you want to win right ? If a team picks champions that makes no sense to any meta, the team that is scrimming you wont to take you serious and the word will go around " hey these guys are taking scrims like it's a joke" because their not playing meta picks.

So if you want to scrim with teams you need to pick "meta" picks and that is where and why most NA/EU teams fall to LCK teams because they pick "meta" picks and the LCK teams get to see how these other teams/players play the champions that they will mostly likely see on stage from those teams/players.

SO it's like "video taping" teams scrims NFL NE Patriot style. It's an advantage NOT to scrim teams 1-2 weeks before Worlds why would you give ANYTHING away so close to Worlds!
Look at the TSM vs SKT games that got leaked TSM played similar on stage at Worlds that they did against SKT in those 3 games they won 2 out of the 3. A week later 3-3 eliminated.

#Advantage to ANX for not giving anything away to teams 1 week before the biggest tournament and not showing teams their "hand" and their "ace in the whole" before Worlds.

The Patriots didn't video tape practices.

It would be an advantage to scrimmage against the other teams so you know their playstyle and a decent amount of their champion pool. That stuff is incredibly valuable in best-of-5s. That's part of why ANX got out of groups but got smashed in semis.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Yeah Best of X is important to scrim teams but not Group stage.
It's better for these lower tier teams to give 0 weaknesses that they may have to the higher tier teams while gaining " top tier teams are really good" as a advantage to scrim. I mean look at TSM they live and die with their scrimmage and they always look meh in groups if not eliminated from worlds because they give too much away to the teams that will smell blood to their multiple weaknesses while the lower teams need to scrim the top tier teams for 200 years to see their weaknesses.
In groups 1 loss could mean being eliminated and if certain teams can't figure out their opponents own "meta" it could lead to more upsets for the lower teams.

Can't the teams/players just look at the solo Q while they were in Korea I mean Korea Bronze is NA Challenger so the Korean average Joes knows what is meta and what isn't before NA does anyways, or just look at Faker's match history and see what he plays and same with the other top tier Korean players.

Miror B1 votes

That being said, I still find it funny. Typically, teams should want to scrim against teams that they have zero shot of playing against at worlds/in the later rounds so that they don't reveal anything and sabotage their chances. The fact that noone wanted to scrim against them is somewhat baffling, as they would've literally been the perfect team to do so assuming they thought that they had zero chance of making it out of groups.

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