wtf am i watching? fnc vs clutch, yuumi has more ap than akali and in one fight did more damage than fncs top jungle mid and "adc" together.
meanwhile in soloq her winrate is at 40% one of the lowest of all champs. (btw same goes for akali)
honestly idk wtf im watching.
IncrediPhiLL12 votesYummi is the dumbest champ in the game. No skill cap. Rewards bad play. You can go afk for 20 mins and come back fed. Can build full AP with massive damage and massive heal. Untargetable.
Real talk, dumb on Clutch to not ban it, but RIOT goofed on this champ.
Love Anastasia5 votesYummi is the dumbest champ in the game. No skill cap. Rewards bad play. You can go afk for 20 mins and come back fed. Can build full AP with massive damage and massive heal. Untargetable.
Real talk, dumb on Clutch to not ban it, but RIOT goofed on this champ.
51 % wr in 5 major leagues since she was created. 40 % wr in solo q. Go pick it, she's waiting for you to make you a LCS player
Teemosexparty2 votesThat is mostly in matchups where she is partnered with things like ezreal and kaisa. The garen yuumi win rate is an entirely diffrent beast. When yuumi is on an adc or a mid laner you can still burst them out because they take damage. No one is bursting out a garen that can heal back to 100 in seconds. Only 2 teams in worlds so far managed. Skt who are one of the best teams in the world and prepared a very specific draft for it and where playing against a weaker team, and cloud9 who where playing against arguably a much weaker team. It took c9 an early gold lead 2 barons and an elder purely because of garen yuumi stalling the game out. Yuumi on her own isnt that big of a problem its just the fact that when partnered with garen specifically it turns into basically an afk champ. If you dont focus them garen does enough damage to kill squishys still. If you do focus them you cant just blow up a garen in a second or two, so if you do focus them the mid lane trist or akali or what ever is just going to sit there spamming damage. Its one of those things that only works because of specific conditions and i expect teams to start just banning yuumi because garen on his own or with other supports isnt the same level of threat because other supports just dont have the safety damage and healing combined yuumi offers
OverpoweredSoap12 votesAre people just now realizing how much damage AP Yuumi does?
She's always done really good damage, especially with that ult, that thing fucking hurts.
It just doesn't shine often because she relies on the positioning of her teammate in order to get off a good ult or a couple of good Qs.
Either way expect her to be gutted after World's because she's a rather passive champion who does decently well against aggression.
Terozu2 votesThe reason she does SO MUCH DAMAGE, is because her Q is so reliable. She has a mage level nuke that's, lets be honest, pretty hard to miss.
But yeah, her ult is also pretty strong. Not sure why they removed the maximum damage limit...
Zed genius6 votesYuumi has a low winrate? Isn't she like super broken?
FlashNeko7 votes[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=2KwYYB2j,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-13T14:07:06.098+0000)
Yuumi has a low winrate? Isn't she like super broken?
In Solo-Q she is SUPER weak because she's dependent on a level of teamwork that most people randomly slapped together won't be able to organize.
It's the inverse of why you see Master Yi is such a pubstomper in solo but the only time pro players use him is in wonky situations like when Funnel Comp was a thing for a brief moment in time.
LightswornLance6 votesI'm 100% sure the reason yuumi has a low winrate in soloque is because of the type of people who play her.
Moody P6 votespro play has low overall damage because they fight less and Yuumi is a champion who's really good at putting out safe distanced poke
it makes perfect sense for the environment she's in
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pro play has low overall damage because they fight less and Yuumi is a champion who's really good at putting out safe distanced poke
it makes perfect sense for the environment she's in
She's literally out DPSing every champ in the game in teamfights, not just the poke. The Garen that she's attached to will basically never die and her cooldowns are really short so unlike say Jayce her sustained dmg after the teamfight is started is still high and unlike ADC/Cass ect she doesn't have to worry about what the other team can do so she is free to just spam her abilities out and doesn't have to be careful of her positioning so while she doesn't have the same potential max DPS her, real DPS is much higher.
Imagine Old Nid with a teamfight ulti that's unkillable. That's basically what Yuumi is like when paired with a Garen.
Teemosexparty2 votesno instead of old nid imagine a sona that could build utility and damage at the same time, but is untargetable untill you kill her team first and has much stronger healing. thats more like what yuumi is right now.
Kikiyu6 votes53k damage as a support? I'm sorry, even if she has low win rate in solo, that's gross. She did far more damage than a good number of the team put together. I get she does it more in the late game, but that is still crazy damage for something called a "support". A "support" really doesn't feel like it should be the teams main damage dealer and also be able to heal everyone else back up to full. Choose one. Having both just creates what we just saw, very very hard to kill, hard to kill whoever she's attached to, can't really engage well...ugh.
Teemosexparty3 votesYa the fact that she has Heals,high damage,CC,Safety,and engage all in one is just disgusting. Most supports are either one or the other. Can you imagine how stupid bot lane would be if pyke and brand could heal their allies to 100 %while supplying huge aoe 5 man roots. Like on sona you get either high damage or high utility or a mix of the two, and the trade off is being squishy as hell and easy to kill. Imagine if they made sona able to attach to someone and be untargetable while building max damage and having a stronger heal. Because thats basically yumi right now. Personally im not going to be surprised at all when people start expiramenting things like yuumi taric bot and yuumi darius.
ModKnightsKemplar6 voteswtf am i watching?
To be honest, you are watching the results of a poorly tested design, imo. This is another case where the idea is cool, but Riot just did not test the concept well enough. Pro players hate it. It's stupid for something so low-skill to be more effective in pro simply because of communication. She needs a serious rework already, because the kit is toxic.
Sylaelque4 votesTo be honest, you are watching the results of a poorly tested design, imo. This is another case where the idea is cool, but Riot just did not test the concept well enough. Pro players hate it. It's stupid for something so low-skill to be more effective in pro simply because of communication. She needs a serious rework already, because the kit is toxic.
I disagree, 
is so fun to play if you don't want to have a harrash game and she isn't that low skill as you think.
Teemosexparty5 votesMabye in normal matchups shes not low skill, but with the garen yuumi combo all that goes out the window. You dont have to worry about dying pretty much ever after garen gets an item or 2. The fact that you cant kill the yumi untill after you kill the garen is what does it, garen is beefy as hell and yuumi can just keep maxing his hp up on top of garens passive its rediculusly hard to shut down. In normal matchups sure shes strong but she has to hop around and what not and squishy adcs can still get bursted out before she can heal. But that dosnt work with garen because she dosnt have to get off. you can literally just semi afk and just use E and R every once in a while its that easy ive played it myself on several accounts in diffrent elos and the result is pretty much always the same. Literally only lost one game where my team all died and gave a triple and a baron right after i backed. Its disgusting and i imagine it would work pretty similar on something like darius too. IMO if i was one of the lcs coaches id be banning or first picking yuumi every game just so the enemy team dosnt get a free ride. In worlds literally only 2 teams have lost playing this. One was to SKT who had a draft planned and prepared for it and are one of the best teams in the world and favorites to win it and came prepared specifically for the matchup and the other was cloud9 who had an early lead and still needed 2 barons and elder to help them win. Even then they still struggled against a team that they would have crushed long before because of garen and yuumi stalling the game out so long. Even fnatic only beat clutch after they out played the crap out of them in the early game off the the back of yuumi and lee.
Worst JG Wins5 votesShe does more dmg while being unkillable thanks to Garen, while having OP healing, a disgusting teamfight ulti that has a short CD, a slow, strong mobility, getting to 
basically for free again because Garen is unkillable with Yuumi and she gets to take double combat summons, while getting Free TPs and Flashes from her teammates.
Teams been leaving her open because of the "nerfs" but i'm sure that's she gonna get the Pantheon treatment after today.
Riot should honestly just disable Yuumi for worlds. Clearly just way too unfair.
Ethereal Flight5 votesPeople crying about Yuumi winning 1 game when the Kaisa/Xayah has been an ever present tumor in every game. AP Yuumi isnt new, the only reason it won is because Garen tanked the hits. This is just like every other team comp of funneling gold and kills towards power players, get over it.
They even lost the first time they tried this and next time it will be banned away from them, just like when Kayle crushed games as a late fighter was brought online earlier through funneling and then got banned later. This is how the game is played, stop crying you arent even fighting them yourself. [sg-ahri-3]
Ionian Vulpix5 votesSupport actually can get a lot of gold now with things like Klepto and FrostFang. And since she can focus on poking instead of farming like other allies or protecting like other supports, she can just keep applying damage. Hell, she doesn't even have to focus on surviving because her ADC is likely to not take too many risks or die while she's attached.
It's a similar thing to Zyra in soloq where she just keeps attacking.
boricCentaur14 votesThat's because in soloQ no one knows how to work together.
Worst JG Wins5 votesThat's because in soloQ no one knows how to work together.
Yuumi is fine when you kill the person she is attached too. Yuumi is the most broken champ LOL has ever seen when she is in someone unkillable like Garen or Mundo
boricCentaur11 votesWelp maybe if riot hit the ms of the heal that problem would be solved but nooo!!!!!!!!!!
JRobin314 votesO yeah, finally C9 gets the Yuumi, casters just jabbering sh*t all game.
Linna Excel3 votesTo be fair, 3 of the teammates were tanks and the 4th was an akali that was farming side lanes.
edit: we could also make the argument that 80% of fnatic are boosted diamond trash.
l MrD l3 votesdamage charts arent accurate tbh
lets say you have a karthus ult that does 500 magic damage with his ult alone and you have a malzhar which does 500 magic damage to a single target
The karthus would do more damage... why ? because it hits more than 1 target so if it hits all 5 targets karthus ult did 2500 for the damage charts compared to malz who did 500
With yuumi its similar with her ult being really hard to avoid - dont forget they are building AP as well so it should be high
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damage charts arent accurate tbh
lets say you have a karthus ult that does 500 magic damage with his ult alone and you have a malzhar which does 500 magic damage to a single target
The karthus would do more damage... why ? because it hits more than 1 target so if it hits all 5 targets karthus ult did 2500 for the damage charts compared to malz who did 500
With yuumi its similar with her ult being really hard to avoid - dont forget they are building AP as well so it should be high
I mean, Karthus ult is really hella OP compared to Malz ult later on in the game when karthus gains some AP.
Malz? His is good for helping his jungler snowball or to lock people down until they get QSS at which point that ult doesnt accomplish so much anymore aside from being a good anti tank too.
Yummi has a similar deal going here, sure it´s not as much of a powerhouse early as the malz ult but as time goes and teamfights intensify her ult becomes a real terror, that and her Q is really a massive pain in the ass.
Worst JG Wins4 votes[{quoted}](name=l MrD l,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=2KwYYB2j,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-10-13T17:28:34.742+0000)
damage charts arent accurate tbh
lets say you have a karthus ult that does 500 magic damage with his ult alone and you have a malzhar which does 500 magic damage to a single target
The karthus would do more damage... why ? because it hits more than 1 target so if it hits all 5 targets karthus ult did 2500 for the damage charts compared to malz who did 500
With yuumi its similar with her ult being really hard to avoid - dont forget they are building AP as well so it should be high
Even squishy supports like Brand that put out a lot of DMG but don't offer much else never even come close to the DPS and poke Yuumi is doing. She gets to do all this damage while having great CC, healing and being unkillable due to her being untargetable for 99% of the game.
floo2 votes[{quoted}](name=l MrD l,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=2KwYYB2j,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-10-13T17:28:34.742+0000)
damage charts arent accurate tbh
lets say you have a karthus ult that does 500 magic damage with his ult alone and you have a malzhar which does 500 magic damage to a single target
The karthus would do more damage... why ? because it hits more than 1 target so if it hits all 5 targets karthus ult did 2500 for the damage charts compared to malz who did 500
With yuumi its similar with her ult being really hard to avoid - dont forget they are building AP as well so it should be high
How is that not accurate? The graph shows damage dealt , which counts damage in the last teamfight , not individual base damage
Flawless Fetus1 votesWhat is your point? Lol. Aoe abilities deal damage to more than one person, yes. This is known. That is what they do. Their damage is recorded as such. Damage charts are accurate.
Love Anastasia2 votesWhy are you complaining about Yuumi lol
She has a trash winrate in Solo Q (40 % or so, you said it) But she also has a normal winrate in competitive: 51 % in the 5 major leagues combined, 117 wins and 111 loses. 6 wins more than loses in a champ that according to boards is the most broken op stupid champ ever created. How is that a BIG DEAL?
FlashNeko13 votes[{quoted}](name=Love Anastasia,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=2KwYYB2j,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-13T15:12:39.882+0000)
Why are you complaining about Yuumi lol
She has a trash winrate in Solo Q (40 % or so, you said it) But she also has a normal winrate in competitive: 51 % in the 5 major leagues combined, 117 wins and 111 loses. 6 wins more than loses in a champ that according to boards is the most broken op stupid champ ever created. How is that a BIG DEAL?
Because, quite frankly, when that champion is unquestionably the singular reason F'natic won that game, there's going to be a hyper focus on it.
Love Anastasia2 votesBecause, quite frankly, when that champion is unquestionably the singular reason F'natic won that game, there's going to be a hyper focus on it.
Going Garen-Yuumi against CG was the main reason the game was not a stomp lol
If they won the game was bcs CG solo lost it with the Bard R in Garen for like... 5 times in a row?
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Going Garen-Yuumi against CG was the main reason the game was not a stomp lol
If they won the game was bcs CG solo lost it with the Bard R in Garen for like... 5 times in a row?
What other play can they make? If they try to play through the side lanes the Garen Yuumi just runs in 2 v 5 in the jungle and creates a winning teamfight to. The only thing that looks even remotely viable vs Yuumi Garen is outscaling with Kayle.
Somebody Love Me4 votesBecause, quite frankly, when that champion is unquestionably the singular reason F'natic won that game, there's going to be a hyper focus on it.
To be fair, she's the reason they won because they drafted around her, but I do agree she's nuts.
Jennifer42011 voteswhen yuumi was announced: going to be the opposite of pyke an assassin yuumi as support: MORE DAMAGE THAN THE OTHER FOUR TOGETHER!!!
you dont see anything wrong with that?
III BAKURYU III 2 votesAs I always say, " If you can play such champion with your feet....they are broken"
Untargetable 
that just jumps around on the next D.
LatetotheRace2 votesIt'd probably be wise to just remove her tbh, her design will just leave her in that state forever.
Tremaursen2 votesLol, wasn't Yuumi designed to be proritized by newer players, and not pro play?
Ethereal Flight1 votesLol the downvotes and no counter arguments [slayer-pantheon-popcorn] .
Was the Yasuo Gragas a problem in bot when he could give Yas a freebie ult? No because they were counter picked in draft and in game before they could pop off, but that was a super duo draft too. Yuumi/Garen bot can be stopped by taking 1 of the champs away in bans and there goes that whole strat. She isnt a problem, the part of her kit that made her overpowered in pro-play was already dealt with for the slows, she's lost games and won games in Worlds, it's not an instant win pick .
Where's all the lane assassins? It's just Akali, Leblanc, Qianna, and Kai'sa. super stale, majority of times in support the picks are the hook meta. Imagine still kneejerking over a 40% winrate champ in soloq while panth has a 99% ban in Worlds and only got picked ONE game.