I just found this to be weird. If Seeding is based on MSI where NA finished second why was I MAY in pool 2 dispite China doing worse than NA?
Ik it doesn't really matter because C9 and IMAY are in the same group but it was still weird to me
Mazariamonti2 votesYeah I thought that was a little confusing. Why is Europe punished for their Failure at MSI but China isn't? I mean the end result is about the same since as you said both third seeds ended up in the same group, but that was luck, the odds were 50/50 on that outcome.
Miror B2 votesYou're a tiny bit off on that idea. FIRST seeds were what MSI was supposed to be about (to try and better represent where the power of each region stands). Once the actual playoffs for that tournament are decided, you're not watching anything of significant world-implication-ing importance so much as a cash tournament among the final teams.
QuartzGolem1 votesDiG in 2016, LUL. Hopefully the return of DiG will be successful though. http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/17637299/76ers-acquire-esports-teams-dignitas-apex
Wh1teWu1f1 votesThe only way this could be rational would be if the Knockout Stage was Double Elimination so we'd see what top team from a region was better (since RNG and CLG never went against each other outside of the Group Stage).
Buff Jax please1 votesTHe question is why does NA still have 3 seeds and LMS only 2 even though they historically do better than NA.
warpenguin5553 votesregion size? idk
QuartzGolem1 votesThe LMS as a region have never looked shakier. Get up to date(insert slowpoke meme).
Buff Jax please1 votesYet they have had more success at worlds than NA and still have less seeds.
QuartzGolem1 votesLooking at the past , that's nothing but false. If you're including the past you have to include everything, not just Worlds 2015 where they had a 1-6 record in the quarters. It's clearly evident that the LMS struggle in any best of series, including ones in their region. Please come back to this thread when both Flashwolves and AHQ get 3rd in their respective groups.
Buff Jax please1 votesLol what.
LMS fucking won worlds in Season 2 lmfao while NA got no team out of groups Season 3 they both had a team seeded in quarters from the start and both lost. Season 4 was the only time NA did better than LMS when they had TSM and C9 lose in quarters Season 5 LMS again did better by having 2 teams in quarters and NA had 0.
So overall LMS did better in Season 2 and 5, NA did better in Season 4 while Season 3 was equally bad. That alone makes it obvious who had more success at worlds but LMS also fucking won Worlds in Season 2.
QuartzGolem1 votesI glad you took the time to look up stuff I could pull from the back of my head. I believe you can't include season 2 since the leagues didn't exist back then. If you do include it then you have to include season 1. Anyways, I'm done with this conversation. Let the games speak for themselves in the end. Also I would advise not using a level 8 account on the boards, it shows how little you have followed the scene in the past.
Randomonium1 votesBecause we'd never want to punish eastern teams for performing poorly. We'll only punish western teams since they're so "bad" anyway.
macdshifty1 votesLosing to skt is performing poorly now?
Randomonium1 votesApparently. People will always make excuses when western teams do good but when we do poorly its "lol, western teams can't compete."
macdshifty1 votesFirst of all I responded to the claim RNG did poorly, when in fact if they did worse they would have made the finals in all likelihood.
Secondly, people make caveats to Western successes because unlike Korea for example, western success is full of holes. People point out the asterisks surrounding whenever a western team does well because it's deserved. Just because some people would rather gloss over facts rather than recognize the circumstances, doesn't mean the facts don't exist.
Randomonium1 votesKorea is the only exception though. EU and NA are just as strong as the LMS and LPL and its pretty hilarious and pathetic when people try to trivialize the success of the western teams.
macdshifty1 votesWestern success is the definition of trivial. Saying the west is as strong as Lms doesn't mean a whole lot considering they are the perennial underdogs. And the LPL is better than the west. Why do you think it was a big deal when China only made it to quarter finals? They were consistently filling out the standings of international competition in the semis and finals. The only region China would lose to consistently was Korea. Nowadays comparing anything to low standings western games is laughable and comparing the top teams, EDG looks way better.
Randomonium1 votesI guess we'll see. I don't rate china very highly besides EDG. My bet is TSM beats RNG and C9 beats IMay.
macdshifty1 votesIf RNG doesn't change how they play TSM have no excuses to not win. For some reason RNG thinks they can get away with starving the hell out of their top lane. Same thing goes for C9. Imay won their gauntlet off super late game team fighting. So hopeful C9 plays faster games, which will also help then out against skt.
Randomonium1 votesSo you're saying that 2 out of 3 NA teams will beat their Chinese counterparts but LPL is somehow better than NA? One team does not make a region.
macdshifty2 votesNeither do two teams. And where did I say NA will beat their counterparts, TSM isn't in a group with EDG and C9 isn't in a group with RNG. RNG is the second best in China against the best in NA. The delta between the best team in China and the second best team in China cannot be understated. Even then, under normal circumstances it would be hard to call between TSM and RNG, but since RNG has made Looper take a vow of poverty and their jg has a name tag that reads "Hi my name is MLXG and I'm going to be botside" TSM is favored to win. EDG>TSM RNG>C9 The rest are insignificant...especially CLG.
Randomonium1 votesC9 isn't the #2 seed, CLG is. So #3 NA is better than #3 China and #1 NA is better than #2 China. That sure sounds like the regions are pretty equal to me.....
macdshifty1 votesI said second best not second seed. Again, there is a huge drop off between #1 China and #2. China as a whole is much better.
Randomonium1 votesMuch better even though #1 NA > #2 LPL and #2/3 NA > #3 LPL? That's like saying NA is much better than EU because TSM could beat G2 even though G2 could beat both CLG and C9.
You make no sense bro. The regions are pretty damn equal.
macdshifty1 votesThat is not a congruent analogy.
Randomonium1 votesHow so?
1 China > #1 NA > #2 China > #2 NA > #3 NA > #3 China.
1 NA > #1 EU > #2 NA > #3 NA > #2 EU > #3 EU.
How can you say that China is much better than NA but NA isn't much better than EU based on how the teams stack up. Either they are both better than the other or neither of them are.
It's pretty obvious when we rack and stack the regions that all of them are pretty close. China does have a better #1 team but NA is definently a deeper region. EU had a bit of an off year but I don't think you can say they are much further behind China or NA.
QuartzGolem1 votesUpvoted for proper use of that quote