Patch Chat with the Playtest Team - 7.1 Jungle Nerfs

RiotAesah·1/11/2017, 9:20:09 PM·1 votes·103,148 views

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Hey guys! Welcome to Patch Chat, a Dev Corner thread we make to talk about our new patches every two weeks: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-71-notes . Keep in mind that this is for discussing the current patch, not future content (e.g., Warwick)

I'm Aesah on Riot's Playtest Team, a group of Diamond+ players who play with the new champions, reworks, balance tweaks, items, and map updates before they are released. It's our job to the test the changes that our designers come up with and ensure that we're introducing positive changes to LoL in terms of both balance and fun. We'll be watching this thread to answer as many questions as we can.

In 7.1, we're toning down how much agency junglers currently have over the game through decreasing the amount of experience they gain from the jungle. Some champions who have been overperforming that are receiving notable nerfs include Syndra, Ryze, Shyvana, Poppy, and Camille. Meanwhile, on the opposite end of the spectrum, we're buffing Draven, Kalista, Lucian, and Talon. The only item changed in this patch is the Zz'rot Portal, which is getting a reduced range to discourage leaving it alone far away in the back and forgetting about it. There is still a lot of work to be done but these some first steps to delivering an excellent Season 7 experience!

All of us on the Playtest Team are avid gamers so feel free to talk to us as fellow LoL players!

Adam "Afic" Cohen Ben “Cezium” Burkhardt Don “Aesah” Ding Nicolas “Gleeb” Haddad Dan “penguin” Hardison Bao “Bao” Lam Robert “ROBERTxLEE” Lee Nicholas “Nickwu” Smith Blake “S0be” Soberanis Trevor “ThEntropist” Thernes

351 Comments

warpenguin5551/11/2017, 9:38:57 PM10 votes

Are any of these 5 scheduled for nerfs? Jayce Caitlyn Hecarim Vi Katarina

Have you guys got to playtest a Kalista or Azir mini rework? And if so is Azir more badass, less badass, or did his badassness not change at all

also scale of 1-10 how much fun is the new Warwick? He looks like a champion i might play for fun but not put alot of time into, so probably a 6 for me.

SoundChaosDebug1/11/2017, 9:27:15 PM9 votes

The draven buff was just an marksman nerf over all, now there's no reason to play any of the other marksman.

Ryoth1/12/2017, 12:57:18 AM7 votes

Honestly the fact you buffed Draven (one of the strongest ADCs in the game) is beyond me when you should be buffing some of the other ones that are quite lacking. Draven has always been a higher risk with higher reward champion with the new mages in the bot lane meta doing better than ADCs what is the point of continuing on as an ADC main when I could just go play another lane and have a lot more success. we have always been susceptible to ganks but with the increased EXP/Gold Gain from jungle and how far ADCs have fallen off its slowly becoming a useless roll. early/mid game we have little to nothing to pop off especially when you've got Ziggs Ziggs taking towers/doing more damage than any ADC and Malzahar absolutely destroying us in poke. any plans on reworking ADC because in the current meta ADC is ridiculous. I don't believe in the death threats but it seems Bot lane has literally been brushed under the rug and made the be the jungles easy +300...

Wobly1/11/2017, 10:03:44 PM5 votes

So Ryze nerfs:

Obviously he's overperforming at the highest levels, but he's really struggling in the hands of most players. Does the balance team see this as a problem, or are you happy to let him be balanced for high level play and weak for most players?

scubb1081/11/2017, 11:23:34 PM5 votes

How did you get your Warwick teaser to be so fantastic?

pV9EMVUT4l1/11/2017, 11:06:10 PM5 votes

Aatrox ? Almost been 2 years without a single change.

Spideraxe1/11/2017, 9:23:45 PM4 votes

Oh yeah and what do you guys think of Warwick on the PBE at the moment

LostFr0st1/11/2017, 9:22:43 PM3 votes

Wrong patch note link :x

Live2LetDie1/11/2017, 9:27:28 PM3 votes

Is there work being done to adjust botlane back to its original state or does the balance team believe Ziggs and Malzahar are good for the game? I am all ok for the meta to shift to different styles but it seems these are starting to dominate with how weak adcs are. Esp if ziggs takes tower faster than any adc.

As for the jungle i believe xp reduction is a good path and a start in the right direction.

TGDE Cobra1/11/2017, 11:43:17 PM3 votes

wtf votre mise a jour eest vrm long .. sa reste sure le 100% .. la je suis tanné sa fait 1 heures que j'attend

Bruised Ego1/11/2017, 10:13:14 PM2 votes

As a Singed main, the Zz'rot nerfs seem too harsh. Zz'rot is a core item on Singed and this is definitely going to hurt. The voidspawn don't even reach from one outer turret to the other. What if every fourth empowered voidspawn was able to go a bit farther?

WhiteLilyNA1/11/2017, 10:52:28 PM2 votes

Hey Robert, didn't expect to see you on post like this. Question, during testing, did you guys feel like the buffs on LucianLucian were enough to bring him back from the rough patch he's having?

LostFr0st1/11/2017, 9:37:57 PM2 votes

About Anivia:

Is the R-flash particle added to her ult considered a net neutral change? (I'm assuming it flashes for everyone so enemies now know to gtfo and players can better tell when E will be thrown onto a frosted target)

If she ends up too strong, where would you guys likely trim power?

Monstrous Yi1/11/2017, 9:27:58 PM2 votes

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EROTIC RAID BOSS1/11/2017, 9:23:30 PM2 votes

have you guys gotten to play around with any more shyvana sized champ updates? and how do you feel about Camille with these nerfs? still semi busted or in a fair place now or what

nice to see you guys are still doing these threads

Loco Mot1ves1/11/2017, 9:47:36 PM2 votes

Overall, I liked just about everything I saw in this patch except for one small detail. Halving Poppy's snap-cast damage in half was good, but was killing the AD ratio necessary as well? She builds full tank and this officially kills anybody playing around with a full damage build looking to assassinate someone for fun.

As far as the jungle goes, was still able to hit level 3 after 3 camps so it doesn't feel like the biggest nerf and feels pretty balanced for a first clear. For Shyvana, the only noticeable impact I felt was when clearing the raptor camp which you take a bit more damage at.