Update on Preseason Ranked

RiotRiot Socrates·11/15/2016, 10:47:07 PM·1 votes·36,358 views

It’s been a fast-moving week of launches, placements, fixes, and re-launches, so we wanted to take a sec and update you on what’s been going down.

First, sorry for the really weird week of Ranked. We knew something was up with Ranked Flex when we saw Diamonds landing in Bronze and Silvers in Plat, though it took us a few days to sort exactly what. We’re more confident in matchmaking quality after Monday’s downtime, but there’s still some loose ends that need to be tied off.

TL;DR: Because we crossed some wires with matchmaking (seriously, Diamonds in Bronze!), your placement was probably inaccurate and match quality wasn’t very good. We’ve rolled everyone’s MMR back to its last-known accurate state (the start of preseason), and anyone who has completed placements will need to play one more game to get re-placed.

To clarify, this is not a do-or-die placement match. It’s basically just fetching you a ranking based on your updated, not-wrong MMR. Whether this placement is higher or lower, it should be a more accurate reflection of where you’ll start your 2017 climb.

Your win/loss record remains intact, and will still factor into how you climb during preseason.

There’s one outstanding bug where if you’ve never played a ranked game of any kind on an account before, there’s a chance that you will be seeded at Bronze V no matter how your placements go. This is being fixed in 6.23, and is unlikely to affect many people, but just wanted to give you a heads up.

We’re gonna see some bumpiness as if this was the first day of preseason, but if matchmaking feels totally amiss after that, let us know -- we’ll be keeping a close eye on things. As a reminder, there will be a (much) softer reset and new placements at the beginning of the season in December.

For the curious, here’s a timeline of exactly what happened:

November 8: Ranked Flex launches globally

November 10: A number of issues crop up:

  • Some players’ MMR is (obviously incorrectly) set to literally zero, meaning that matchmaking has no hope of accurately making matches for them and their placement was guaranteed to be Bronze V
  • Some high-skill players lost a lot of MMR, further disrupting matchmaking quality
  • A number of low-skill players are bumped upward in MMR, again ensuring severe mismatches in matchmaking
  • The targets for each rank tier and division are recalculated to incorrect values as a result of the above, resulting in many players seeding too high or too low.

November 12: After two days of isolating the problems, we launched a fix aimed at solving all of the above issues. We immediately started receiving more player reports of poor matchmaking with crazy skill disparities. It was clear within hours that the fix introduced as many problems as it solved.

November 14: With a better vetted and more substantial fix ready to go, we took down Ranked Flex to implement wider changes to matchmaking. After standing it back up, issues seemed resolved and matches proved fairer across the board. We know some of you have considerably dropped, and we’re sorry for that too - but we made the call to make this reset now to avoid a situation where players get incorrectly placed at the start of the season. This prevents you landing in more unbalanced matches and unfairly climbing or dropping based on which team has more Fakers.

159 Comments

Phierce11/15/2016, 11:09:10 PM49 votes

we just want an update on solo queue

Bob413111/15/2016, 10:52:34 PM19 votes

Any idea when solo/duo queue will be up.? I know it was originally scheduled for today, but wanted to see what delay may have been caused by flex issues.

Fiesta Mexicana11/15/2016, 11:49:59 PM15 votes

I dont know if I can call that a fix for myself...

Being Plat last season and then playing my placements against Diamond-Masters going 8-2 and getting placed in Plat V and then start to climb even tho I still mostly play vs Diamond Players, only to get demoted to Silver just to play there against Plats and Diamonds again just dosnt feel right. Its just so frustrating and just not comprehensible.

Just dosnt feel like a fix.. more like messing up the flex ranked more and more :/

Xonra11/15/2016, 11:58:04 PM14 votes

Appreciate this but....We want an update about solo queue, not flex queue, which I won't be touching literally ever again once the season starts.

Meanie4011/15/2016, 11:11:50 PM11 votes

Still waiting for solo queue, which was promised to be released yesterday.

Ridan11/15/2016, 11:00:43 PM11 votes

We dont want flex q update ! We want soloq heads up !

Melinda May11/15/2016, 11:11:30 PM10 votes

Me and many others dont care about Flex queue... So where is SoloQ??? Wasnt it suppose to come out 1 week after flex??????

Zig ot011/15/2016, 11:28:27 PM10 votes

Are you guys not scared when he's talking about "Ranked" instead of mentionning the Flex queue, like if there will be only 1 kind of ranked queue for 2017?

Don't do it again Riot.

King Ezrath11/16/2016, 4:56:55 AM6 votes

So you "fixed" flex queue. I placed at Silver 5 originally and managed to climb to Gold 5 within a few days. However, because your system was "off", every game I played was against Platinum, Diamond and Master players. I STILL managed to climb my way to Gold 5 quickly getting 30+ LP a win because I was winning constantly. Now, you guys updated and I placed Bronze 5 after playing and winning one match. Now, after 24+ hours of climbing and beating players MUCH higher ranked than me, you guys have reset it and all of my work is completely gone with nothing to show for it. I hope you guys truly fixed the mmr issues, but because of your original error, all of my time climbing and dealing with playing high ranked players was wasted.

ThatsWhatŠheZed11/16/2016, 4:24:58 PM6 votes

I totally understand that Update ,, the problem is... How can someone win 9 out of his 10 replacements. going against Diamonds and plats mostly and carry most of the games end up In Bronze 1 ... And right after this new " Update " I played the new replacement and I got placed in Bronze 5 ! You didn't fix the problem, you made it worse ! this didn't happen only to me ... most if not all of my friends who were Silver/Gold got Placed in Bronze 5 after this 1 more replacement patch ... Can you just fix it ... I don't wanna be in Bronze again ... this elo drove me CRAZY !

BigDog80511/16/2016, 8:23:06 AM6 votes

Fine, did placements placed Bronze 4. Fine, win games, improve, enjoy game.

Won some games got up to Bronze 2 with 90 LP in spite of some really badly matched games. So log on, "We've fixed it folks, play one more placement game and you will place again."

Play 1 game, 4 unranked players, all horrible, lose badly, they FF at 20. "You have been placed at Bronze 5".

So the fix to low placements after 69% win rate (including placements) and earning the way up to Bronze 2 90 LP was to lose 1 game and get placed back at Bronze 5 0 LP. Yup, that one game sure fixed the "low placement" problem.

I am a support main and the reset really pee's in the face of working hard to improve a bad placement.

balkanskiratnik11/16/2016, 12:58:57 PM5 votes

This system is horrible and needs to be fixed,I recently have started smurfing and i got placed in bronze 4, it had a laugh and in 2 days i got from bronze 4 to bronze 2 and i needed 1 win for promos and guess what?i got these placements things and i win and i get back to bronze 4,Its honestly unfair from almost bronze 2 promos back to bronze 4 because of this "fix" i sent a ticket and the dude didnt say me anything in fact a horrible support specialist,this game has gone to sh*t

Risk of Fate11/15/2016, 11:31:55 PM5 votes

Could you please, like, just let me be 1 or 2 Divisions higher/lower than my elo from the last season instead of a whole rank?

Pre-S 4: Silver 4 "neat!" S5: Bronze 4 "aww, well I'll try to climb" End B2 S6: Bronze 4 "...I really don't want to climb again. Sigh, may as well tryhard this year" End S4 Pre-S 7: "Let's try this flex q thing" Bronze 4 "...do I really, really, really have to climb for a third time?"

It just becomes pointless to try and climb when things like this happen. Would have loved to get close to gold next season, but cause of this I don't really want to bother because I know with resets for the next season BRONZE AGAIN. Yes, I am bad, but there's no reason for me to prove I earned my rank every damn time. I mean, yeah I can just get back if I wanted, the thing is I'm tired of this hamster wheel thing.

me new no bully11/16/2016, 11:47:14 AM5 votes

I am just wondering why Riot hasn't admitted that this entire fiesta is a complete disaster and just completely reset the entire thing. The 'fix' that made things much worse than they were essentially was a middle finger to anyone who actually played ranked. ''Hey, see what climb you had over past 3 days? Well, it's all gone now. F**k you!'' Jeez, thanks Riot.

These horrid decisions regarding ranked play have to stop. Seems like any 'fix' or 'improvement' from your end has catastrophic consequences every single time and only makes matters worse.

let me sniff11/16/2016, 2:51:40 PM5 votes

This is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

Before you guys 'fixed' it, i was playing with/vs p5-d2 people (im p5 myself) and there were no silvers or bronzies or golds in teams. I won all my fucking 9 games vs high diamonds. AFTER YOU 'FIXED' it and i decide to play my last placement, i get bronze and a diamond in a same game. HOW IS THAT FIXED? can anyone please explain? because it feels like nobody wants to explain anything. They saying it's fixed, when' its actually still fked up..

oh ye and not gonna whine that i got placed in silver 2 after i wont all my 10 games vs high plats and diamonds.

Its Anubis11/17/2016, 5:48:51 AM4 votes

Riot says everything is good*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

Literally the entire League community*[slayer-jinx-unamused]*

Vandalieu11/20/2016, 11:34:04 PM3 votes

All I read is a lot of nonsense from Riot. Me as a Gold IV had to battle 10 games against Diamond and Master. Great games with nice people, but when you see 5 Diamonds versus 1 Gold (me), 1 Platinum V (my Premade) and 3 other Diamonds it does look weird. NO problem though, I went 8 wins 2 losses in placements and got Gold I. Too high, I agree. Then game quality dropped, because sudden Platinum and Bronze were matched up. Sure, Riot wants to fix it. Played after the fix, and got Silver V. That is just a joke. A friend of mine who played his first non 3vs3 team rankeds got Silver I with a 4 wins 6 losses record. Just the win-lose record does not justify this, on top of me being way better than him, but he is so new to the game its just not right.

buying gf 99gp11/16/2016, 1:31:43 PM3 votes

Diamonds in Bronze? How about Challenger in bronze? I had to play against IWillDomiate the other day lol.

Zig ot011/16/2016, 1:46:19 PM3 votes

December 5: We decided to not release soloQ due to the popularity of flexQ

December 6: We barricaded ourselves in the meeting room. Ghostcrawlers got decapitated yesterday. President Trump refuses to answer our calls cause he thinks we're part of the anti-trump riots. We have no food left. Tryndamere is drinking is own urine already.

KingChong11/16/2016, 2:34:39 PM3 votes

Last year I went 4-6 in placements and got Bronze 2 (deservedly), this year I go 7-3 and get Bronze 3. Not even bothering with ranked until soloQ is FINALLY reintroduced, I'd rather not have to deal with plats/diamonds climbing up in every game.

Pimpnkill11/17/2016, 5:25:12 AM3 votes

First time posting in the 5 years playing this game. Concerning the Nov 14 patch: Was Plat 5 before season ended. Went 7-3 in placements, get placed Gold 4. Okay cool, what I expected. Continue climbing to Gold 2. Haven't dropped a game since placements. 17-3. Patch comes out. Do this 1 game placement thing. Afker, team voted for remake at 3 min. Placed Silver 1 this time. What the actual heck Riot? Dropping 5 divisions for a soft reset is cool. HOWEVER, dropping 10 divisions with a 17-3-1 record. Did you say this was a fix? Come on. Since your making these quick fixes, I would like to propose making a quick fix where REMAKES do not count towards placements at the very least. Thanks Rito. I know math is hard.

Justive11/17/2016, 9:14:33 PM3 votes

This explanation doesnt make any sense and is not in accordance with what most players experienced. If the MMR is based on the end of season, how come so many still end up in Bronze with positive placement games and a preseason MMR of gold and higher?

The problem is not that you took away wrongfully earned MMR (everyone could accept that), the problem is that there was NO WAY to come out higher than bronze, maybe low silver even if u play PERFECT placements. With Gold IV and 7-3 you end up in bronze II etc, thats not a soft reset, thats just crazy clown fiesta, especially if you played the placement games against high golds, low platinums.

So the experience for many players is that the placement games DIDNT MATTER at all, just place us all in bronze next time and skip the placement.

GG Riot

tilt to win11/16/2016, 12:29:47 PM2 votes

SOLO QUEUE item 3070 item 3070

Niepkowski11/16/2016, 5:18:14 PM2 votes

You didn't fix anything, I and my friend were in the same division (plat 3) in the end of the season (don't say bs about mmr, we were playing together). Before "fix" I won 7 out of 10 matches and was placed in gold 1 (playing mainly against diamonds and plats) my friend who lost some more games was in gold 3, it was looking ok. This 1 match after "fix" decided I went to silver 2 (I was alredy in promo to plat with 1 win so thx very much)... and he got to plat 2... gold 1 -> silver 2, gold 3 -> plat 2, I will add I got higher win ratio. So are you going to do something about this or you will leave this mess?

Nausicaä hero11/16/2016, 5:53:45 PM2 votes

Hello, I made my 10 placement game on an unranked account before the fix, and got Bronze V with 10wins. So then I had to do 1 more game that I won and got Bronze I. So I have 11w 0 loss. I woul'd like to have you help me with that problem by deleting all my won games so I can start again my placements so I get to a rank of my level. Thanks.

Seoner11/16/2016, 8:39:43 PM2 votes

I just don't understand your "fix" thing... I've managed to do an 9W-1L placement playing half of my games against and within diamond players, I've carried most of those game by tryharding so hard that I've almost shettered world apart turning ssj3, but after all I got plat1 and yeah there was some quality level of gameplay especially by high diamond Lee in my team that showed some high level skill and carried game basicly alone... nevermind let's get back to my butthurt topic... so I had to play another game and it got me into gold 5 FOR REAL RITO? " We’ve rolled everyone’s MMR back to its last-known accurate state (the start of preseason), and anyone who has completed placements will need to play one more game to get re-placed." Yeah, cool I had plat2/1 mmr at the end of the season not freaking GOLD 5! [zombie-brand-mindblown]

PygmyRhino11/20/2016, 9:05:50 PM2 votes

So it's been a week since this dev posted. Is Riot going to admit there's still a problem, or not? Are we supposed to just silently start trying to scrabble our way back up the ranked ladder? It doesn't feel fair to the people who did well in our placements to be hit with the DOUBLE "reset" hammer. Also, by the way, looks like tons of silver and gold players have had successful games playing against players who are one or two brackets above their supposed level. Perhaps more rank mobility is in order, in general. If you're going to make me play 10 games against gold and plat players, do me the favor of noticing that I WON those games and not put me in bronze when I'm done.

VladTheMage11/16/2016, 9:40:01 AM2 votes

Did you fix it? How demoting people 1 tier is fixing?

P4H Niloc11/17/2016, 5:58:16 AM2 votes

Started riots new flex queue was warned I would probably drop a division. I was prepared for the worst, but to my surprise I did really well and went 7-3 and got placed in gold 5 (praise the lord) Then after a day of dealing with all the high plats and diamonds in gold I gained about 48 lp. Which to me was a big deal because I am a gold 5 scrub climbing against diamonds. Then two days later riot says I need to do another placement. No big deal right?....... False My team and I won in a very convincing manner and I was rewarded with being demoted to Silver 4 #feelsbadman

GhostOfShrimpmas11/15/2016, 11:31:58 PM2 votes

Any news on if I'll be able to queue up with my 3 buddies again? Or are we now banned from playing ranked together?

dirtyclean10111/16/2016, 1:49:42 PM2 votes

Ok so, ranked flex is total bull crap. I got placed in B4, and what ever I'll do the for ever climb out of elo hell. Then they said oh we have a fix for ranked flex que and you need to play one more placement game, and thought to myself thank god! Please fix this, that placement game I played, I ran mid VK and went 23/12/21 almost an hour long game, I coordinated my team to win, because the game was being thrown hard. What do I get? Take a guess before you read what rank it put me in.

I got freaking DEMOTED to B5 COME ON RITO THIS IS BULLCRAP AND YOU KNOW IT.

Booty Bus11/18/2016, 4:47:36 PM2 votes

Rip me...all the placement wins vs plat and i get dropped in bronze 5 summoner 3 [zombie-brand-mindblown]

LucidLunatic11/16/2016, 1:05:06 PM2 votes

I just logged in to play my additional placement, and my match was a remake at 3 minutes due to a DC. However, I was still placed into a new elo. Is this intentional? I suspect a bug, as it implies that either the additional placement match is not being used, or it just took the "Loss" from the remake as my placement match result.