As Riot is looking at changing the Boards. Lets chat about some Moderation tools.

Kai Guy··1 votes·2,967 views

What tools do Moderation staff want? What tools do Posters want moderation staff to have?

Personally, I would like to see the ability to move threads to the correct boards implemented already. I am aware that it could be abused but frankly its better to just Axe a moderator who abuses a tool then prevent any one from having it.

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KFCeytron2 votes

Riot is looking at changing the Boards? Adding? Improving? Where did you hear that? The only recent changes have been the obliteration of the top nav bar, which killed the updates button (but not the page itself) and mod message functionality; and the removal of votes on threads to stop vote bots/groups from exposing how shallow and thrown together this platform is. It's kind of like healing an infected finger by cutting it off (and I think you can guess which finger) because we're in the Dark Ages of forum software.

G0blinSlay3r1 votes

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Riot is looking at changing the Boards? Adding? Improving? Where did you hear that? The only recent changes have been the obliteration of the top nav bar, which killed the updates button (but not the page itself) and mod message functionality; and the removal of votes on threads to stop vote bots/groups from exposing how shallow and thrown together this platform is. It's kind of like healing an infected finger by cutting it off (and I think you can guess which finger) because we're in the Dark Ages of forum software.

Yet viable options exist broadly. Time will tell.

hopefully it's not too much like: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/V0gOaAGd-riot-if-you-genuinely-want-to-stop-smurfing-do-it-with-subdermal-microchips

KFCeytron2 votes

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Yet viable options exist broadly. Time will tell.

hopefully it's not too much like: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/V0gOaAGd-riot-if-you-genuinely-want-to-stop-smurfing-do-it-with-subdermal-microchips

I'm not sure what you mean by "viable options exist broadly" other than "there's like, stuff and things." There are many ways to resolve malicious/fraudulent voting, but Boards neither includes them nor has an active developer. Riot's basically written this place off as anything other than a sycophant's haven for Riot's artists and an opportunity for fake Riot engagement of "I had a sandwich for lunch today." Seriously, Bazerka's AMA threads are such vapid malarkey. They're shitposts like we'd get from CLG Ear (if he were still here... is he? haven't seen him around for quite a while, at any rate).

G0blinSlay3r2 votes

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I'm not sure what you mean by "viable options exist broadly" other than "there's like, stuff and things." There are many ways to resolve malicious/fraudulent voting, but Boards neither includes them nor has an active developer. Riot's basically written this place off as anything other than a sycophant's haven for Riot's artists and an opportunity for fake Riot engagement of "I had a sandwich for lunch today." Seriously, Bazerka's AMA threads are such vapid malarkey. They're shitposts like we'd get from CLG Ear (if he were still here... is he? haven't seen him around for quite a while, at any rate).

You do know if riot does not even look at these boards then support is in for a supersize party. That would mean the sent me here to die.

if riot does not want to talk to us all then were just trash to them. Fuck e'm.

To the moderation team: your gods abandoned you long ago.

You know what we call this in the real world everywhere? Being a giant chicken shit.

KFCeytron1 votes

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You do know if riot does not even look at these boards then support is in for a supersize party. That would mean the sent me here to die.

if riot does not want to talk to us all then were just trash to them. Fuck e'm.

To the moderation team: your gods abandoned you long ago.

You know what we call this in the real world everywhere? Being a giant chicken shit.

I'm not sure what you mean about the rest, but there is at least some Riot presence here. It consists of artists and lore writers magically showing up when someone makes a thread gushing with praise about a comic or a retcon or whatever, and Bazerka telling us "i HaD a SaNdWiCh," so it's not particularly meaningful, but it's not zero, I guess.

G0blinSlay3r2 votes

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I'm not sure what you mean about the rest, but there is at least some Riot presence here. It consists of artists and lore writers magically showing up when someone makes a thread gushing with praise about a comic or a retcon or whatever, and Bazerka telling us "i HaD a SaNdWiCh," so it's not particularly meaningful, but it's not zero, I guess.

understand i don't hate riot. i just want them to not let everything feel like a cold shoulder.

i feel many changes could have been avoided for the current meta. I feel riot is stretching thin when it comes to the game play and champion/meta rotation. Sometimes i truly liked a meta, but most of the time these days it felt like hell raining acid from the sky. So i'm completely wary of trying to enjoy the game without some real mumbo jumbo gameplay.

best for everyone i leave here. not making anyone happy anyway. i'm just annoying.

KFCeytron1 votes

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understand i don't hate riot. i just want them to not let everything feel like a cold shoulder.

i feel many changes could have been avoided for the current meta. I feel riot is stretching thin when it comes to the game play and champion/meta rotation. Sometimes i truly liked a meta, but most of the time these days it felt like hell raining acid from the sky. So i'm completely wary of trying to enjoy the game without some real mumbo jumbo gameplay.

best for everyone i leave here. not making anyone happy anyway. i'm just annoying.

[sg-lux-2]

If I left a place every time I got annoying I wouldn't be anywhere anymore.

Kai Guy2 votes

Adding? Improving? Where did you hear that?

The boards have been changed. Read my post again. Improvement? Additions? Note that I did not say those words once.

As Riot is looking at changing the Boards. Lets chat about some Moderation tools. What tools do Moderation staff want? What tools do Posters want moderation staff to have?

You failed to respond on topic. Its fine. I'd like you to try to address the thread now if you would be so kind.

KFCeytron4 votes

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The boards have been changed. Read my post again. Improvement? Additions? Note that I did not say those words once.

You failed to respond on topic. Its fine. I'd like you to try to address the thread now if you would be so kind.

"The boards have been changed" is true, and in the past tense. Your title, "Riot is looking at changing the Boards," is neither of those things.

The change happened. It's the new top nav bar that accidentally strips away some features but matches other Riot sites. It's done. It's not some kind of plan or roadmap. Fait accompli.

As far as your actual question, I think my first reply already answered that, sad as it is. What we want, what forum software should have in this day and age, what the mods have been wishing for since day one, is immaterial, because Boards is not an actively developed platform and hasn't been since the "beta" went live in a woefully incomplete state. I'm pretty sure most users and mods would like what is considered standard fare for forums these days: mod tools to track votes, the ability to move threads, better markdown/escaping/etc., less wonky embedding of images.jpg[], accurate post previews, threads that scroll back to the top when you navigate to the next page, and so on. These are standard fare precisely because web forums have been around for decades and we already know what should and shouldn't be involved. It's a solved problem. Riot simply chose to make their own from scratch for no apparent reason, release it with a ton of basic features missing or broken, never touch it again, and never even allow unpaid volunteers to work on it (exception: markdown for colors/highlighting etc. that virtually nobody uses because it's so laughably obtuse and just plain bad). And now they've trashed it even further without a second thought, breaking something as fundamental as mod messaging. The mods are so hobbled by what they can't do that they've even disabled voting. Other places with voting, like Reddit and Stack Overflow, can not only detect suspicious voting patterns but even automatically undo such when caught. The most mods can do on Boards is increase the level requirement to vote (it's 30, by the way) and then, upon discovering that the vote bot/group can just continue leveling, throw up their hands and disable voting.

TL;DR: The ship is sinking and you're asking us what color we'd like to paint the hull.

Zero Skill Tank2 votes

All we want is a moderation stuff that won't push personal agendas or ideas of what boards should be.

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