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Remove Downvoting

The Highest Noon··9 votes·2,444 views

In my opinion, it serves no use aside from trolling people or topics you dislike.You can already see how many views a topic has, and comparing that to how many upvotes a topic has reflects the value of the post. As it is now, we have many valid arguments and discussions being downvoted simply because people don't like the topic or the person making the statements. Instead, if the downvote feature is removed you have a very clear view of whether or not people think a post is worth discussing or a comment adds value.

Example of why downvotes fail: "Ahri shouldn't get another Popstar-related skin" downvoted to oblivion by people who want Ahri to have millions of skins because she's their favorite champion.

Example of why removing downvoates work: "Garen is broken and should be nerfed" 2 upvotes out of 10k views shows that not many people agree with this statement

What removing the downvoting option solves? If you don't like something, it's reflected in you not voting on it. If you think a topic or comment is worthy of looking at or considering, good news! You can upvote it!

Now, there's one issue that I think is both extremely relevant and detrimental to this, and that's the view count. I believe it's based on total views, not the number of people that view the topic. Correct or agree if either idea is true.

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ModThe Djinn6 votes

We've talked about this a lot but, ultimately, people seem to really like having the downvote option -- there was a lot of outcry during our brief test of removing it. It's a subject we're definitely open to revisiting, even on a board-by-board basis, but it is one that's a bit trickier than it seems at face value.

The Highest Noon2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=N2unaccg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-06T16:36:36.861+0000)

We've talked about this a lot but, ultimately, people seem to really like having the downvote option -- there was a lot of outcry during our brief test of removing it. It's a subject we're definitely open to revisiting, even on a board-by-board basis, but it is one that's a bit trickier than it seems at face value.

I can see why, but I wouldn't let people's fear of change deter any necessary adjustments. The reason I think change is more relevant now than ever is because whereas a site like Facebook has never had a wide-spread downvoating system, Twitter is reaching the point where they're removing the like button as well. It's spreading that the idea of a "Boo!" function is unnecessary in enviroments where discussion is valued moreso than preference.

Lv60 Retri Pala1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=N2unaccg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-06T16:36:36.861+0000)

We've talked about this a lot but, ultimately, people seem to really like having the downvote option -- there was a lot of outcry during our brief test of removing it. It's a subject we're definitely open to revisiting, even on a board-by-board basis, but it is one that's a bit trickier than it seems at face value.

You do realize though that it could have just been a very vocal minority that "outcried" about that right? Maybe create a poll and let it run for some time to see how the community truly feels about it.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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You do realize though that it could have just been a very vocal minority that "outcried" about that right? Maybe create a poll and let it run for some time to see how the community truly feels about it.

We are aware of that possibility, yes, and we did account for it in our consideration. We also have a feedback thread at the time where we saw some very good arguments from both sides.

Linna Excel1 votes

Considering not having downvotes has worked on Gameplay+, maybe you guys could start phasing it out of the other boards one by one.

Blue Moon Wolf1 votes

would be nice to see something at least close to it in some form, if it's even possible to have a system of "no downvoting without removing downvotes" (I don't even know if that sentience makes sense). It's honestly really frustrating to try to make a post that's thoughtful and tries to be respectful (like skin concepts for example), only to get downvoted by one or two guys who hates the topic/hate you just so it never sees the light of day.

Really just wish there was some kind of middle ground that could be figured out.

Big ol Nom3 votes

it think it would be better if downvotes didnt actually effect anything outside of showing opinion, but getting rid of them would be VERY annoying, if i dont like something i want a quick way to show it

Blue Moon Wolf1 votes

exactly, which is why I can see arguments for both sides. kind of hard to really come up with something that would satisfy both of those needs. In the end we might as well keep it as is till someone can come up with something creative .__.

Nsane1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Blue Moon Wolf,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=N2unaccg,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2018-11-06T19:08:43.159+0000)

. . .so it never sees the light of day.

Just use the recent sorting and this place becomes like a REAL forum.

Voldymort3 votes

On the other hand, having just upvotes visible gives a false impression of what the community preffers.

You can already see how many views a topic has, and comparing that to how many upvotes a topic has reflects the value of the post.

And, in case you haven't noticed, the number of upvotes/downvotes pales in comparison to the views. That's because most people don't actually bother with voting.

You don't need to remove downvotes to determine a post's value, based on that^

Example of why downvotes fail: "Ahri shouldn't get another Popstar-related skin" downvoted to oblivion by people who want Ahri to have millions of skins because she's their favorite champion.

Example of why removing downvoates work: "Garen is broken and should be nerfed" 2 upvotes out of 10k views shows that not many people agree with this statement

Your two examples are anecdotal. And anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.

The Highest Noon1 votes

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On the other hand, having just upvotes visible gives a false impression of what the community preffers.

And, in case you haven't noticed, the number of upvotes/downvotes pales in comparison to the views. That's because most people don't actually bother with voting.

Actually, that's probably because, as I mentioned but you failed to address, the view count is based on total views not unique views. I saw a post get 800k views. I bet there haven't been 800k unique viewers of that post.

You don't need to remove downvotes to determine a post's value, based on that^

And why don't people vote on a topic? Either because they don't like it or they don't care about it. Make my point for me, why don'tcha. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Your two examples are anecdotal. And anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.

And that matters...why? Don't just toss out words people have said to you as if it makes a point.

Voldymort2 votes

that's probably because

"Prpbably because" is not how you convince people that your statement is valid.

"Probably because" is an argument from ignorance

Try again

And why don't people vote on a topic? Either because they don't like it or they don't care about it. Make my point for me, why don'tcha.

Or

They cant be bothered to click on either of them (I do it all the time)

It would be nice if you recognize all options and not just the ones that confirm your bias

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

Don't just toss out words people have said to you as if it makes a point.

Right back at yah

[poppy-wink]

The Highest Noon1 votes

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"Prpbably because" is not how you convince people that your statement is valid.

Stop trolling.

"Probably because" is an argument from ignorance

Yes, because you're ignorant of information that isn't public.

They cant be bothered to click on either of them (I do it all the time)

In other words, you don't care enough to vote.

Just keep making my point for me.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Voldymort1 votes

Yes, because you're ignorant of information that isn't public.

no comment

Sukishoo2 votes

Having votes period does this. It's why I'm glad most other communities I'm part of do not use then and refuse too. They just cause too much bias towards things and in this company is are a real source of toxicity.

Big ol Nom3 votes

but then how will i know what player behavior post is the most entertaining?

The Highest Noon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big ol Nom,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=N2unaccg,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-06T17:58:20.230+0000)

but then how will i know what player behavior post is the most entertaining?

Y'know, that's actually a pretty solid point.

[zombie-brand-clap]

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