Contetnt removed , why?

MuteAllFromStart·Oct 8, 2019·1 votes·4,651 views

"Hey MuteAllFromStart,

We've recently removed your post for violating the Golden Rule on the Boards: "Always be respectful to players, community members, moderators, and Rioters. Harassment and insults will not be tolerated."" <-

I dont think I can post more... but what was removed was not targeted towards anyone, it was a rant. So who did I disprect Jikker? (he was the one removing my content)

Also, I cant take this to the discord .. you banned me there too after lying to me. Also, I would like to talk to you about tihs golden rule, seams it only applies to me, and noone of the users you have as favorite, who can basically do whatever they want without problems.

Also, why did you lock my thread?

31 Comments

ModJikkerOct 8, 20199 votes

Hello,

Your thread was locked as I explained. I gave the Discord as an option because anyone involved in that thread can comment on a lock so it is an option for most people. I do not see any evidence that you are banned from Discord; if this was on a different account, please provide me a name and I will look into it.

Your comments were uncivil towards others, accusing them of lying, asking if they were mature enough to admit they were wrong, and other inflammatory type comments. From the Universal Rules:

When you choose to participate in a discussion with the rest of the playerbase, always try to be respectful and receptive to another player's point of view. Also, be mindful of how you present your point of view. If a player feels strongly on a subject, don't get caught up trying to have the last word. Just state your side and exit the conversation gracefully rather than give them the opportunity to pick a fight.

While this does require that other posters be respectful to you (which is why some of their comments were removed as well), this doesn't mean that if someone disagrees with you that you are given permission to inflame others that are attempting to provide insight into your violation.

MuteAllFromStartOct 8, 20191 votes

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Hello,

Your thread was locked as I explained. I gave the Discord as an option because anyone involved in that thread can comment on a lock so it is an option for most people. I do not see any evidence that you are banned from Discord; if this was on a different account, please provide me a name and I will look into it.

You dont see any evidence? okey allow me to provide evidence for you, it will be in swedish and I will translate it for you. I suggest you check that my translation is okey. https://i.postimg.cc/LXwsNLj2/ogiltig.png The image text says: "oops! looks like you have been banned and can no longer access or interact with this server" blue text "Why are my invitations invalid?"

Yes, I did accuse them of lying is that really against the rules?

So if I undertand this correctly, I can lie about anyone, even you... and if you tell me Im lying, I can report your comments and you are forced to remove them? <- You dont think/see how this is a problem?

Yes, it takes maturity to admit when you are wrong. It also takes understanding. <- why would you think otherwise?

What other "inflammatory type" comments are you talking about?

"this doesn't mean that if someone disagrees with you that you are given permission to inflame others that are attempting to provide insight into your violation." <- Never made this claim and I have never given myself permisison to "inflame" the sitaution. And please explain how Im doing that?

Also once again: I chose to report you due to your actions here.

ModJikkerOct 8, 20195 votes

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You dont see any evidence? okey allow me to provide evidence for you, it will be in swedish and I will translate it for you. I suggest you check that my translation is okey. https://i.postimg.cc/LXwsNLj2/ogiltig.png The image text says: "oops! looks like you have been banned and can no longer access or interact with this server" blue text "Why are my invitations invalid?"

I'm not saying you are not banned; I'm just asking if it's under a different Summoner's name. I cannot find a Summoner with your username banned on the Discord.

Yes, I did accuse them of lying is that really against the rules?

So if I undertand this correctly, I can lie about anyone, even you... and if you tell me Im lying, I can report your comments and you are forced to remove them? <- You dont think/see how this is a problem?

Yes, it takes maturity to admit when you are wrong. It also takes understanding. <- why would you think otherwise?

What other "inflammatory type" comments are you talking about?

"this doesn't mean that if someone disagrees with you that you are given permission to inflame others that are attempting to provide insight into your violation." <- Never made this claim and I have never given myself permisison to "inflame" the sitaution. And please explain how Im doing that?

Also once again: I chose to report you due to your actions here.

While we understand that not everyone will agree with how we moderate the boards, ultimately we expect everyone to treat others with respect.

I'd also like to remind you that we are a volunteer team and are not employees of Riot or Rioters.

MuteAllFromStartOct 8, 20192 votes

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I'm not saying you are not banned; I'm just asking if it's under a different Summoner's name. I cannot find a Summoner with your username banned on the Discord.

No but you said you didnt see any evidence, so I provided you with evidence... THats what a good person does, right?

While we understand that not everyone will agree with how we moderate the boards, ultimately we expect everyone to treat others with respect.

I'd also like to remind you that we are a volunteer team and are not employees of Riot or Rioters.

Again: I have brought to your attention several times throughout years that you are treating evernyyone differently.

I also would like you to know this is not my first rodeo, you are not the first moderator to mistreat me (and refusing to answer my question) I knwo you are volunteers, hence why I dont understand why you cant talk to me like you talk to any of your friends or co-workers. Why do you have to mistreat men when you communicate with tme?

ModJikkerOct 8, 20196 votes

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No but you said you didnt see any evidence, so I provided you with evidence... THats what a good person does, right?

Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under.

Again: I have brought to your attention several times throughout years that you are treating evernyyone differently.

I also would like you to know this is not my first rodeo, you are not the first moderator to mistreat me (and refusing to answer my question) I knwo you are volunteers, hence why I dont understand why you cant talk to me like you talk to any of your friends or co-workers. Why do you have to mistreat men when you communicate with tme?

If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators.

MuteAllFromStartOct 8, 20191 votes

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Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under.

Im well aware of that, but you said you didnt see evidence, I helped you to see... so that thing is over... you now see evidence that im banend, correct?

If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators.

Yes, and you are still not providing answers for me, so why should cooperate with you when you dont cooperate with me? <- This is why you mistreat me. YOu expect answers from me but refuse to answer my questions... guess we are not equally valuable.

MuteAllFromStartOct 8, 20191 votes

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Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under.

If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators.

You had one moderator speaking for everyone, letting me know that all of you feel violated by me <- WHen I ask another modeator in private about this... its as if I had exposed his best friend and he refused to cooperate... Letting me know he was entitled to his own opinion... okey, evne when he is speaking for you? <-

Do you feel violated talking to me?

MuteAllFromStartOct 8, 20192 votes

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Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under.

If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators.

Its funny how there now are 5 , again 5!!! people , thats half of the peopel I interacted with today.... Who are now following me around downvoting everything I say <- This is the enviortment you have created, are you proud of it and how does it affect my experience here do you think? ' And no that didnt start today nor now. Its something that has been going on for a while.

BombeldrosOct 8, 20191 votes

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Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under.

If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators.

I have now chosen to report both you and Ulanopo (NA) due to how you have acted towards me and treated me, I find it unacceptable that you are trying to speak for me and tell others about my intetnions. Isnt there any rules about talking for others? Where I come from we have this thing called a "witch hunt" <- that is what you are doing towards me, maybe you know maybe you dont... it doesnt matter as it is an unacceptable behavior towards me. I wouldnt accept it IRL and I wont accept it here. Fact:It only happens on the internet, noone ever trying to speak for me irl, its only here... there is a reason for this.

I hope your co-workers are genuin and serious about this and get rid of these negative and destructive behaviors at once! They are not okey and should be condemned by everyone everywhere.

BombeldrosOct 8, 20192 votes

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Also, him just like you are well informed that Im banned in your discord, yet this is what he told me "If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the Moderation Discord here." <- Once again, this is unacceptable and really unprofesisonal behavior and I really hope your bosses takes care of this.

MuteAllFromStartOct 8, 20191 votes

"Hello all,

This thread has devolved to bickering and uncivil discussion. Since there is nothing productive coming from this thread at this time, I am going to lock it down. I will also be cleaning up some uncivil comments from this thread. Remember that the Player Behavior Guidelines ultimately require that posters are honest about seeking feedback and respectful of others when providing help.

If anyone would like to discus this lock, feel free to reach out to the Moderation Team via:

The NA Boards Discord The Discuss the Boards sub-board" <- Im banned here. I can not talk to you unless you talk to me here or willing to talk to me directly on discord or anywhere else.

Imperial PandaaOct 8, 20194 votes

I don't know if it is the language barrier that is leading to a misunderstanding or something else. At this point, Jikker and everyone else seeing your post understands you are banned from the Discord. The response was about learning what the name of the account that was banned. He was asking the name of that account so he could try and look up why it may have been banned.

@Jikker. Djinn talked briefly about it here. Djinn might have the name as he removed it once OP shared it.

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cFcPl6Ey,comment-id=00070001000000010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T23:15:33.842+0000)

MuteAllFromStartOct 10, 20191 votes

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I don't know if it is the language barrier that is leading to a misunderstanding or something else. At this point, Jikker and everyone else seeing your post understands you are banned from the Discord. The response was about learning what the name of the account that was banned. He was asking the name of that account so he could try and look up why it may have been banned.

@Jikker. Djinn talked briefly about it here. Djinn might have the name as he removed it once OP shared it.

I understand this, do you understand what he said that made me post that image? Please quote what you think Im reffering to.

Also, Im not looking to be unbanned from that place, a place where I have been lied to and at. <- I was simply stating the fact that , to tell me I can get more information in a place Im banned in is not only unprofessional, its rather rude.

Imperial PandaaOct 10, 20193 votes

Well my guess as to why you posted the image would be a result of:

I do not see any evidence that you are banned from Discord; if this was on a different account, please provide me a name and I will look into it.

I highlighted the part that would have also worked besides an imagr. Simply telling him the name you were using in the server at the time.

And telling you that you can get more information there is part of the template they use for deletions and responses. So actions taken on an account contain that bit by default. As for the lock of the post, that was direxted to everyone and not just you.

MuteAllFromStartOct 10, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T13:57:04.959+0000)

Well my guess as to why you posted the image would be a result of:

I highlighted the part that would have also worked besides an imagr. Simply telling him the name you were using in the server at the time.

And telling you that you can get more information there is part of the template they use for deletions and responses. So actions taken on an account contain that bit by default. As for the lock of the post, that was direxted to everyone and not just you.

That is great but I urge you to be more neutral to information and not as bias. The point Im trying to make (that you missed) is the part you didnt put on bold, this part right here: "I do not see any evidence that you are banned from Discord" <- Hence why I posted the image, its very logical and resonable.

To give him the name doesnt serve any purpose nor does it have anything to do with this thread, or maybe you can explain how me giving him my discord name helps this thread or the topic? <- Also whar do you think this thread is about?

Fact: People in here knows me, hence the amount of downvotes and negative feedback and people going offtopic regarding me. Its very easy for this moderator to contact any other moderator and the should know who I am, because they all dealt with me one time or another.

I understand that its a template <- I never questioned this, what I quesiton is the level of professionalism regaring this template as it is totally useles information for me and rather useless for everyone else as well.

"As for the lock of the post, that was direxted to everyone and not just you." <- This is super important that you said. No, if I own a car and there are 5 people in that car, me being one of them. If the police takes the car away from us... Im the one who suffers the most, the other people in my car didnt lose anything other then the temporary transport that they can get from basically anyone, there are even services like bus or taxi to aid them... for me I lost a car <- Its really important that you and riot understands this. I know explaining things here never changes anything, thats not why I do it. <-

Imperial PandaaOct 10, 20193 votes

I don't think one can be more neutral than neutral. I'm not against your or the mods. I simply look at information available to me. This was bot missed by me, but was deemed as not the main focus. He wouldn't have evidence of it if a different name was the one the punishment. Giving a name would have been better from a logical standpoint as he could both see the evidence that you were banned and understand why.

Part of the thread consisted on how you cannot take the topic to Discord and Jikker replied asking for information so he could understand it better. The thread is about topic being locked and inability to go to Discord. 4v5

The amount of downvotes most likely stems from the combination of speaking down to people, whether you are intending to or not; saying people are off topic if they don't talk about every single thing you mention; and/or referencing previous cases involving you.

If the template works for 90% of the cases, why develop another for 10%? I get the idea of where you are coming from. I actually had a removal done durinf a clean up. Didn't violate any rules, but the context of the reply was lost so they removed it. No punishment or warning, but at the end it sill said "Review the rules" which could cause confusion. That could stand to change, but I know the template works in the other cases.

Why did the police pull you over? It was just because you had that many people in the car. In the case of the post, you and the other poster's being uncivil. Again, because whether you intend to or not, it sounds like you are talking down to people in your replies.

MuteAllFromStartOct 10, 20191 votes

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I don't think one can be more neutral than neutral. I'm not against your or the mods. I simply look at information available to me. This was bot missed by me, but was deemed as not the main focus. He wouldn't have evidence of it if a different name was the one the punishment. Giving a name would have been better from a logical standpoint as he could both see the evidence that you were banned and understand why.

Okey, I dont even understand the first part of this... its very... idk, strange to me. "Giving a name would have been better from a logical standpoint" <- But that is not needed and you are hung up/focused on something that is totally offtopic. He made the claim he didnt see any evidence of something, so I provided evidence. As I previously said (and it is still not spamming, its repeating) it doesnt matter cause even if he got my discord name, he wont unban me, even if the ban in unjust... and that is not even related to this topic nor thread.

Part of the thread consisted on how you cannot take the topic to Discord and Jikker replied asking for information so he could understand it better. The thread is about topic being locked and inability to go to Discord. 4v5

Yes parts, but do you understand what the 2 quesitons in this thread are? They are up there in the OP... There were no questions in the OP about discord, its just mention that one of his suggestions were totally useless and something he should have taken responsibility for. Again: this thread is not about why I was banned from their discord. No: Im not asking anyone to unban me from their discord. <- This is really important that I say because if I dont people will think that is what this thread is about, its really not. What this thread is about I will allow you to answer because its up there in the OP, 2 quesitonsmarks that indicates what this thread is about.

Also, what is 4v5? (1 afk???)

The amount of downvotes most likely stems from the combination of speaking down to people, whether you are intending to or not; saying people are off topic if they don't talk about every single thing you mention; and/or referencing previous cases involving you.

That makes no sense, I want people to talk about the topic, not everything I mention <- Did you and the other 5-6 people who follow me around downvoting my comments get that so wrong? No Im not talking down to anyone, Im defendign mylsef... something I was taught to do both from my parents and from my culture. If I dont defend myself I die, yes really I die. I have been targeted by slander before and been doxxed because people have attacked me and I have had limited chances to defend myself <- If you attack me and I defend myself.. dont come complaining that Im talking down to you <- That is rather... well Im not allowed to put the word on that but you know what it is, its not a very postive word.

If the template works for 90% of the cases, why develop another for 10%? I get the idea of where you are coming from. I actually had a removal done durinf a clean up. Didn't violate any rules, but the context of the reply was lost so they removed it. No punishment or warning, but at the end it sill said "Review the rules" which could cause confusion. That could stand to change, but I know the template works in the other cases.

Okey, now I know that... again since Im not alloed to "talk down to you" ... the 90% - 10% .. hmm how do I explain this one without you feel i put you down or talk down to you... Okey how about this. If microsoft is worth 1 trillion dollars (google) and they lose/ignore 10% of their customers/market they will lose 100 billions dollars... For twice that you can buy/produce as much as Finland <- 10% is huge and should not be looked down upon, if anone did this they would lose so much, their stockholders would demand changes and people will get fired.

Why did the police pull you over? It was just because you had that many people in the car. In the case of the post, you and the other poster's being uncivil. Again, because whether you intend to or not, it sounds like you are talking down to people in your replies.

You are missing the point totally, the point is that Im the one losing things, its not a communist world we live in where my car is your car... we live in a captalistic market economy where my car is my car, I paid for it and Im paying for it. Im also responsible for it. So if the police takes my car away, it mainly affects me, not the other 4 people in that car <- Hopefully you understand now.

Again: If you think Im talking down to you or you feel threatened or any other feelings about me interacting with you... it doesnt mean its reality. Again, if I greet you and say "Hello" and you feel threatened and harassed about it, its not the reality. Its your feelings that are playing tricks on you. Thats why it is really important that you allow people to explain themselves. In this case, Im not talking down on anyone, Im trying to explain in a simple way to avoid missunderstandings. <- Im trying to be nice, and this you and others see as me trying to harass you... you see how this is a problem for me and you? If you allow me to explain my genuine thoughts and you then believe them, it helps us all. For you to mistrust me at all points and thin kthat everything I say is lies or alternative motives... liek how can you build up any good relationship with anyone with taht kind of mentality? We need to allow people to explain themselves and talk for themselves <- Stop pre-judge people , stop label people.

Imperial PandaaOct 10, 20193 votes

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Okey, I dont even understand the first part of this... its very... idk, strange to me. "Giving a name would have been better from a logical standpoint" <- But that is not needed and you are hung up/focused on something that is totally offtopic. He made the claim he didnt see any evidence of something, so I provided evidence. As I previously said (and it is still not spamming, its repeating) it doesnt matter cause even if he got my discord name, he wont unban me, even if the ban in unjust... and that is not even related to this topic nor thread.

You said to be more neutral, I am already neutral. Therefore, I cannot be more neutral. See, this is what I talked about in a later point. If I'm off topic for simply having the opinion a name would have been more effective than a picture; then you are equally off topic for posting the picture. A name was requested, not an image. So you deem my perspective off topic, but not yours? Sense my first response, I have only continued to mention it when asked about it.

Yes parts, but do you understand what the 2 quesitons in this thread are? They are up there in the OP... There were no questions in the OP about discord, its just mention that one of his suggestions were totally useless and something he should have taken responsibility for.

Since it was mentioned, in a sub thread of the thread, it became on topic for certain sub threads.

Again: this thread is not about why I was banned from their discord.

And we aren't fully discussing that. Simply that you are and I gave him an avenue to learn why should Jikker desire to check it out because it is a topic in a sub thread on the post.

No: Im not asking anyone to unban me from their discord. <- This is really important that I say because if I dont people will think that is what this thread is about, its really not. What this thread is about I will allow you to answer because its up there in the OP, 2 quesitonsmarks that indicates what this thread is about.

Never said you were trying to get unbanned from the Discord. I simply gave an avenue for people to understand why the ban was placed. As you don't need the reasoning explained, it doesn't need further mentioning; does it?

Also, what is 4v5? (1 afk???)

I have that swipe function enabled for texting/typing on my phone. Sometimes I type too fast and it thinks I did the swipe. Really should disable that. Sorry was a typo.

That makes no sense, I want people to talk about the topic, not everything I mention <- Did you and the other 5-6 people who follow me around downvoting my comments get that so wrong?

I have downvoted you 0 times as I am neutral. You have a general topic and then sub topics. We are on a sub topic now. If I'm off topic, so are you then.

No Im not talking down to anyone, Im defendign mylsef... something I was taught to do both from my parents and from my culture. If I dont defend myself I die, yes really I die. I have been targeted by slander before and been doxxed because people have attacked me and I have had limited chances to defend myself <-

As I said, whether you are talking down to them intentionally or not, it can come out that way. Especially since I have not attacked you, and if you feel I have then there was a misunderstanding somewhere. Even my original comment of a "language barrier" comment wasn't meant as a slight. Given you speak/read 3 languages, you understand that people can still misunderstand things. Nuances for reading or even environment the person lives in can change simple meanings of things.

If you attack me and I defend myself.. dont come complaining that Im talking down to you <- That is rather... well Im not allowed to put the word on that but you know what it is, its not a very postive word.

I could be wrong, and fully admit that. I simply gave my guess as to where the downvotes stem from. Some may just beinf doing it for a giggle since you have complained about them too, but that is neither here nor there.

Okey, now I know that... again since Im not alloed to "talk down to you" ... the 90% - 10% .. hmm how do I explain this one without you feel i put you down or talk down to you... Okey how about this. If microsoft is worth 1 trillion dollars (google) and they lose/ignore 10% of their customers/market they will lose 100 billions dollars... For twice that you can buy/produce as much as Finland <- 10% is huge and should not be looked down upon, if anone did this they would lose so much, their stockholders would demand changes and people will get fired.

Never said I took you as "talking down to me", as previously mentioned, just a theory on the downvotes. That is subjective though. Numbers and perspective matters when talking about percentages. If you win 50 million and have the option to pay 10% to keep anonymity, doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. Alternatively, if we talk about 10 people, 10% is 1 person and also seems small. I agree templates could use improvement. I do think it would be silly to keep a list of people who have been banned form the Discord just to send a specific one to them. Course that is my opinion and you may feel otherwise, which is fine.

You are missing the point totally, the point is that Im the one losing things, its not a communist world we live in where my car is your car... we live in a captalistic market economy where my car is my car, I paid for it and Im paying for it. Im also responsible for it. So if the police takes my car away, it mainly affects me, not the other 4 people in that car <- Hopefully you understand now.

I understood it the first time, there are still two things that cause issue though. First is still the fact that the "owner" was also participating (by mods opinion) in the misbehavior. At which point it was decided to lock the post/take the care. Second, the forum is free to use. No one has to pay a fee to post; so the only cost is time. Yes, everyones time is valuble but eh.

Again: If you think Im talking down to you or you feel threatened or any other feelings about me interacting with you... it doesnt mean its reality. -snip-.

Again, only my opinion and theory based on downvotes. I'm neutral. I look at data available and try to understand to the ebst of my ability.

MuteAllFromStartOct 10, 20191 votes

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You said to be more neutral, I am already neutral. Therefore, I cannot be more neutral. See, this is what I talked about in a later point. If I'm off topic for simply having the opinion a name would have been more effective than a picture; then you are equally off topic for posting the picture. A name was requested, not an image. So you deem my perspective off topic, but not yours? Sense my first response, I have only continued to mention it when asked about it.

I have to divide this up because it is once again very hard to understand due to how you express yourself (once again, I have not put a value on "hard to understand" , him being hard to understand might be the cause of English not being my first language) <- I have to say this or else Rioters think Im harassing you , or you thinking Im talking down to you... This is not the case as I explained,but I should not have to spend all this effort and space to explain this. <- Shouldnt have, but I must if I am not to be banned (once again)

"You said to be more neutral, I am already neutral. Therefore, I cannot be more neutral." <- This is really the words of a bias person. I am as neutral as I can but even I am bias. I can admit it without any issues. Im bias to the truth and science and will value both of those things above feelings, emotions and theories.

" If I'm off topic for simply having the opinion a name would have been more effective than a picture; then you are equally off topic for posting the picture." <- This part, you totally lost me.

Okey, now I got it... youthink there are "sub-threads" here, there are not. "Since it was mentioned, in a sub thread of the thread, it became on topic for certain sub threads." <- Thats not how it works.

By your way of thinking here (and you are not the first btw): If I make a Thread "Whats your favorite food?" <- someone mentions mcdonalds, you see Mcdonalds and then think its okey to talk about how they underpay their workers <- Because Mcdonalds was mentioned in the topic... and now when you mentioned underpaid workers, I can start talking about how in Sweden we concider firefighters to be rather uinderpaid, and on that topic they also need better equipment... Ohh so I mentioned equipment, then we open the discussion and thread up for basically any and everything.

Its important that you understand that when you go offtopic, like I believe you are now, you are in fact ruinign my thread. I previously asked you what you think this thread is about and I pointed to the OP where 2 questionmarks are pressent. You didnt quote any of the quesitons nor even touched upon them. <- Do you understand what this thread is abuot? Because its not about my name, its not about a picture, its not about me talking down to people nor me explaining things.

Here I help: first question: I dont think I can post more... but what was removed was not targeted towards anyone, it was a rant. So who did I disprect Jikker? (he was the one removing my content) <- This is directed at a specific person. There is no need for you to answer or even interact with this. But noone is holding you back nor saying you cannot post,but if you are to post we(the clients) expect you to be ontopic or else you ruin the thread.

The second question was: Also, why did you lock my thread?

To my understanding you nor Jikker have tried to answer any of these questions that are the topic of this thread and OP. Again, if anythign this is a sub-thread of "discuss the board" <- This is not a subthread of : Contetnt removed , why?

MuteAllFromStartOct 10, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T21:22:06.218+0000) I have downvoted you 0 times as I am neutral. You have a general topic and then sub topics. We are on a sub topic now. If I'm off topic, so are you then.

No not reallt, if you want to discuss something that has nothing to do with this: I dont think I can post more... but what was removed was not targeted towards anyone, it was a rant. So who did I disprect Jikker? (he was the one removing my content)

Or this: Also, why did you lock my thread?

Then you should make a new thread about the topic you want, to kidnap someones thread and say "the topics are these and these" <- this is somewhat rude and in fact ruining the original thread. I want this thread to be about whats in the OP, not what you want it to be from reading comments <- Is this really too much to ask for?

Yes I agree that Im offtopic, I have to be offtopic because moderators in these forums doesnt remove your content and they allow you to ruin my threads because they favorite you and hate me. This is nothing new. I had one dude talk about his teemo skins in a thread about my chat log <- Noone had even mentioned skins nor the character teemo <- No this did not just becoem a teemo thread nor a thread about skins, this is still not a sub-thread, these are comments and posts. Not sub-threads, posts/comments.

MuteAllFromStartOct 8, 20191 votes

Wait, you removed my content where Im being accused and defneding myself? letting the accuser know he is dead wrong because he/she misread <- What is going on here Jikker? Come talk to me? I wont bite <-

PigalishusOct 8, 20195 votes

Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to instert store name how may i help you today sir"

MuteAllFromStartOct 10, 20191 votes

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Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to instert store name how may i help you today sir"

Hello, context is important, how much of the context do you know/Understand? If you only read parts of a text then I agree, I looks like a monster, if you take in to account everything riot have done to me over several years... then my behavior is beyond mild <- Really, beyond mild.

I chose to report him because of how he and other moderators in here are behaving towards me and others... Like the one moderator lying about me, when I let him/her know he/she was, that comment got removed.

To only see one side is called to be bias. You know if you support a team, you dont think that team is ever doing anything wrong, its the best team in the world and you have the best players, even if you end up close to the bottom of the table... IM a TL/curse fan since Piglet joined, so I know what that is like.

Btw, how are you on topic?

PigalishusOct 10, 20191 votes

So for me at least my favorite sport is hockey, And my favorite team is the San jose sharks. But i dont sit there and say that they are the best team what so ever in reality they are a decent team but i also understand that they can totally suck at time's. You have to see the good and the bad at the same time not just the bad by its self or the good at its self. And then from everything i have seen the riot memebers talking here is that they have been nothing but nice. For instance with the discord thing you talked about getting banned they simply asked for the name of the account that got banned so they can have proof that you really did get banned.

And is riot a good company? They are not the best but they are not the worst company around town. And then the thing i said about a employee at a store yelling "Yoooooo what up dude" its not something you really should do. I dont know where you live at in the world, But at least where i live its not something that really happens and should not happen. When i walk into a store and hear an employee say that i dont get the best idea of the store. I see them more as a childish employee that if i was in the position of manager i would fire. I dont want my company being known by an employee that does something like that. I rather have my company known by employee's that are kind and respective.

And if this has been going on for 10+ years then that is impossible, The game has only been out for 9 years almost 10 years this month.

MuteAllFromStartOct 11, 20191 votes

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So for me at least my favorite sport is hockey, And my favorite team is the San jose sharks. But i dont sit there and say that they are the best team what so ever in reality they are a decent team but i also understand that they can totally suck at time's. You have to see the good and the bad at the same time not just the bad by its self or the good at its self. And then from everything i have seen the riot memebers talking here is that they have been nothing but nice. For instance with the discord thing you talked about getting banned they simply asked for the name of the account that got banned so they can have proof that you really did get banned.

Good for you, me neither. Btw how are you on topic here? I was makinga point that by the looks of things flew over your head (again, this is not to put anyone down, its a common expression for when someone didnt get the point one was making) <- I have to say this or it will be misinterpeted adn I will get punished for it.

I disagree ( and I hope I am allowed to argue and disagree in thsee forums) . If you take everything in to account, then a bad person like the german leader of ww2 can look like a decent persron when reality is he was a really bad man. That is why you divide things and look at things individjually. <- you are allowed to have your opinion just like I am,but I dont see how you are on topic now. Its okey for you to think rioters are nice. I dont think its nice when another person is trying to speakfor me. <- There are actualyl history here from my culture where a person, often a child accuses a woman of being a witch. This woman is put to test where the only outcome is death. <- This is called a witch hunt and was very real and you can read up on it. Same thing happens here, when a person (in this case a rioter) speaks for me, they are also accusing me... In this case of not being genuine and in fact lying about my intentions. <- I dont think this is nice at all, I think this is borderline slandering and a witch-hunt... Again, the only outcome of a witchhunt is death of the witch. So again, you can have the opinion that people are nothing but nice but I have totally different experience. LOL is the only game where I have been banned/suspended and punished, and I have been gaming for over 25 years and over 1000 games. <- Is it really me that is the problem when you read the cold statistics?

You make the claim that they only asked for my name, that was not the case and I urge you to re-read that message. I can absolutly take a print screen where I underline the parts you missed from that message, but I also think that you are capable of reading and understaning the parts you missing from that story.

And is riot a good company? They are not the best but they are not the worst company around town. And then the thing i said about a employee at a store yelling "Yoooooo what up dude" its not something you really should do. I dont know where you live at in the world, But at least where i live its not something that really happens and should not happen. When i walk into a store and hear an employee say that i dont get the best idea of the store. I see them more as a childish employee that if i was in the position of manager i would fire. I dont want my company being known by an employee that does something like that. I rather have my company known by employee's that are kind and respective.

And if this has been going on for 10+ years then that is impossible, The game has only been out for 9 years almost 10 years this month.

Again, you are entitled to your opinion, this thread is not about riot as a company, but sure... Riot is great, so great that they retracted an award that was given to a child with cancer. The award was to design his own champion <- He never got to do this becuase riot didnt want to honor their contract. These are just small things that makes me not believe in Riot as a company,but mainly its the toxicity from the top of the company down to the players who plays this game. <- But again,this isn ot really no topic. But dont you worry, moderators in these forums tend to not do anything about off-topic comments.

I agree with you, that you shuold not say "YOOOO WHATS UPDUDE! " and I never done that, what my argumetn was is that you can absolutly treat a customer as a friend and a buddy, I have been doind that for years and been awarded for the way I express myself and how I handle customers. <- That was the point I was tryign to make, once again it looks like it did fly so high it went over everyones head. I live in Sweden, but I have acted the same in about 10 countries without any problems. I have 0 criminal charges against me.

" When i walk into a store and hear an employee say that i dont get the best idea of the store. " <- To me this makes no sense and I have no idea what you are trying to express here,pretty sure you are offtopic though.

"And if this has been going on for 10+ years then that is impossible, The game has only been out for 9 years almost 10 years this month." <- No idea where that comment comes from. Again, pretty sure its offtopic.

To remind you, this thread is about:

I dont think I can post more... but what was removed was not targeted towards anyone, it was a rant. So who did I disprect Jikker? (he was the one removing my content)
Also, why did you lock my thread?

If you want to talk about rito as a company I suggest you make a thread about it, to talk about different topics other then the 2 subjects I listed is actually you trying to ruin my thread, maybe its not intional, I can understand that... But that is the reality. I seek information, my goal is not to sit here and explain the points I make nor to bash the previous decisions of riot-games.

I hope you can respect me and the forum-board culture enough to honor this request/suggest.

PigalishusOct 11, 20191 votes

Sorry i misread the part about the 10+ year's, I thought you said you have been dealing with riot for 10+ years on the current problem you have. And when you say read about the cold statistics what are the statistics you are talking about? All i have seen so far is riot trying to help you out by asking you for the discord name that got banned so they can see what was the reason it got banned so they could tell you about it.

And also I dont really know why you have to tell me that you have acted the same in 10 countries with out any problems and 0 criminal charges against me. And then when you say things like " but I also think that you are capable of reading and understanding the parts you missing from that story." It comes off as you being a douche and it makes you sound like you are holding your self at a higher standard then my self Which i do not like at all. It almost sounds like you are calling me dumb and i am not saying that you are, But it sounds like it from the way you wrote about it.

And i never said riot was a great and good company, But i am not saying that they are the worst company either. Also you keep talking about how am i on topic here and i am not talking about the current topic wrote about. I am rather talking along the topic of you responses to riot. And also if riot deleted something you wrote or locked a topic you wrote about or what ever they did. They have to have a reason for doing it, A large scale company is not going to single out one person and bully them for no good reason what so ever.

If it upsets you to the point where you have to keep this topic going so much then try to get a hold of the highest riot employee you can. Write an email to them or such, and if they dont respond then well you obviously did something to make it happen and you can say you did not all you want and ask riot to email you the proof they have to Cause what they did because i am pretty sure they will be happy to show you the proof behind the reason of their doings.

MuteAllFromStartOct 11, 20191 votes

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Sorry i misread the part about the 10+ year's, I thought you said you have been dealing with riot for 10+ years on the current problem you have. And when you say read about the cold statistics what are the statistics you are talking about? All i have seen so far is riot trying to help you out by asking you for the discord name that got banned so they can see what was the reason it got banned so they could tell you about it.

And also I dont really know why you have to tell me that you have acted the same in 10 countries with out any problems and 0 criminal charges against me. And then when you say things like " but I also think that you are capable of reading and understanding the parts you missing from that story." It comes off as you being a douche and it makes you sound like you are holding your self at a higher standard then my self Which i do not like at all. It almost sounds like you are calling me dumb and i am not saying that you are, But it sounds like it from the way you wrote about it.

And i never said riot was a great and good company, But i am not saying that they are the worst company either. Also you keep talking about how am i on topic here and i am not talking about the current topic wrote about. I am rather talking along the topic of you responses to riot. And also if riot deleted something you wrote or locked a topic you wrote about or what ever they did. They have to have a reason for doing it, A large scale company is not going to single out one person and bully them for no good reason what so ever.

If it upsets you to the point where you have to keep this topic going so much then try to get a hold of the highest riot employee you can. Write an email to them or such, and if they dont respond then well you obviously did something to make it happen and you can say you did not all you want and ask riot to email you the proof they have to Cause what they did because i am pretty sure they will be happy to show you the proof behind the reason of their doings.

LOL is the only game where I have been banned/suspended and punished, and I have been gaming for over 25 years and over 1000 games. <- Is it really me that is the problem when you read the cold statistics? <- Cold statistics

Thanks for understanding you misread, I respect anyone who can admit misstakes. Nobody is perfect and we all make misstakes, some of us are better at understaning it then others. Glad you are one who understands.

You understand that this thread is not about weather or not Im banned nor for what reason Im banned. <- Right?

This is why I urged you to re-read. By the looks of things you have not. When he tells me he sees no evidence for something, Im very friendly and cooperative and bring forth the evidence, thats how nice I really am.

Again, you are entitled to your opinion about rioters being nice. I have the totally different opinion, in fact quite the opposite. Reason for this might be the 4 accounts they ruined ingame and 5 accounts in these forums. Did you know I was once was braging about losing games? This according to riot-games. How did brag? I made a thread called "Help me end a loss stream!" <- Or something along those lines, In that thread I made 1 comment that they took out of context as proof that I had been braging, I was lifetime banned for "promotion of 3rd party services" <- But this is also offtopic, but a reponse to you.

I tell you my game and life statistics/experience to show you and let you know that we have totally different experiences. <- Why this is I dont know...but if you miss vital partsof information like when a moderator says he sees no evidence, that might be a huge reason as to why we have such different experiences dealing with this companty and the people related to it. My experience and Im 30+ years old is that LoL is theonly game that ever suspended me <- I have played well over 1000 different games. So if you play 1000 different games and you only get punished in 1 of them, like 30 times. <- Is it me or could it be something else that is the reason for why I get punished? <- This was the point I was trying to make.

" It comes off as you being a douche and it makes you sound like you are holding your self at a higher standard then my self Which i do not like at all. " <- Okey thanks for letting me know, this is not the case and I am thankful that you brought this to my attention as this was not my intentions, in fact its a compliment from me to you. Peopel make misstakes all the time and once again, English is not my first nor my main language. <- This is whyritoers and others need to allow people to explaint hemselves so we dont missunderstand and creat a hostile enviorment out of missunderstandings... In this case thuogh, you did actually miss the part I was talking about, the part where Jikker talked about he didnt see any evidence for me being banned. <-

"I am rather talking along the topic of you responses to riot. " <- Okey but this is really strange, if I have a conversation with a person, I dont really want anyone to jump in to that converastion, take it over, ask questions, potentially missudnerstanding etc, I dont think anyone wants this. It would be like a father is talking to his son about what they going to eat later that day, and I jump in and start talking about what Im going to eat, and I start asking them where they going to buy theirfood, and I suggest they go elsewhere etc... <- Thisis how I view that behavior. Again, maybe I missunderstand but I dont see how you are helping the thread not helpingme understanding the answer (noone provided) to the questions I posted. <- And that is what this thread is about. Its 2 questions, I still a have recived no answer to.

If you want to discuss me, then make a thread about it and Im more then willing to cooperate. But as of now, you are in a thread that isnt about me, its about:

I dont think I can post more... but what was removed was not targeted towards anyone, it was a rant. So who did I disprect Jikker? (he was the one removing my content)
Also, why did you lock my thread?

"They have to have a reason for doing it, A large scale company is not going to single out one person and bully them for no good reason what so ever." <- Well there are plenty of evidence against this. Tyler1 is a good one, you can google that name together with phreak and see what pops up, but once again this is offtopic.

"If it upsets you to the point where you have to keep this topic going so much then try to get a hold of the highest riot employee you can. " <- They run away from me. Riot-Tantram is scared of me, I tried to reach out to him several times but he doesnt dare talk to me. You cant reach him in any way shape or form. The top riot employee I spoken to (facecam) was Dwayne Jenkins. He was head of support back then, no idea whathe does now...but I believe he was not truthful nor honest with me, I also got an account locked down for simply asking to speak with him, when I did the same thing: Requesting to speak with him,from a new account I got the chance to. <- this can be looked up. <- This is also offtopic

I have written emails to tencent <- They own majority of riot-games, no response, cause they dont care and that is the reason riot-games and lol losing ~20% of their playerbase each and every year since 2014. No company in history have ever done this and still be alive for as long as Lol has.

"and if they dont respond then well you obviously did something to make it happen and you can say you did not all you want and ask riot to email you the proof they have to Cause what they did because i am pretty sure they will be happy to show you the proof behind the reason of their doings." <- Not really, tencent doesnt know me and I only sent them 1 mail. Riot-games nor people related to riot have never cooperated with me. The closes anyone related to riot games came to cooperate with me was Deep Terror Nami <- He/she helped me make a thread once, and when I posted it he/she yelled at me because he/she didnt like the tone I was using...and I had copied the exact text he/she help me type. So when I do what Im being told I get punsihed as well... You can ask her/him about this, doubt they will confirm it but defently not deny it <- If they do I have evidence.

MuteAllFromStartOct 10, 20191 votes

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Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to instert store name how may i help you today sir"

"And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works." <- this one I like. Im 30+ years old and have been working for 10+ years. I have been able to treat every customer/client I ever had like a friend or co-worker without getting in to any trouble with any of my bosses.... its strange huh? That I have this superpower that makes me able to do things that other people simply cant do.

MuteAllFromStartOct 10, 20191 votes

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Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to instert store name how may i help you today sir"

Really, your friends use "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" <- ? Wow okey... Im not allowed to ask your age here cause then I harass you according to riot games.

MuteAllFromStartOct 10, 20191 votes

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Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to instert store name how may i help you today sir"

Fact of the matter is: I have tried every single way to reach rioters and be able to talk to them, they have used same method every single time. Im the one trying to cooperate and adapt, they are not. They still think Spamming is: this this this this this... reality Im just repeating myself, Im not spamming.

So idk, maybe riot games should try that: "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" <- once with me and see if that helps or solves the issue that we have been having for ... is it 6 years now riot? Btw, I got the solution now and I will use it, just wait and see :)

MuteAllFromStartOct 8, 20191 votes

I have chosen to report Jikka to Support ticket. I was hoping we could talk but since you refuse to talk to me I was left no choice . I hope they actually take care of this so that LOL finally can become a great game again. WIth a toxic company and toxic workers for that company, ofc the products and customers also will be toxic <- Toxicity spreads, thats why you need to countain it.