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Your thread about Senna being too hard to gank for many junglers due to her AoE obscurity and MS boost was deleted? Dafuq? What was the given reason?
Your thread about Senna being too hard to gank for many junglers due to her AoE obscurity and MS boost was deleted? Dafuq? What was the given reason?
'Rant'
ye we are not allowed to discuss riots favorite champion(s) in a bad manner anymore, and if we do the mods are ordered to delete every negative post about the champion(s)
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This poster basically only makes rants with next to no content. I am surprised they are not banned given their incredibly long history of spamming the boards, with multiple posts per day on some occasions, of just rants.
Did you actually read the thread in question?
Did you actually read the thread in question?
Yep. It was mostly "Senna is a bad matchup for champions I like to play and I haven't figured out any counters" followed up by some not so great arguments:
Aside from that idiocy, the bigger issue is the inability to target. How about learn to play around it? Wait actually I think you're just looking for something to argue about going by your list of champions. there are so many ungankable lanes that i cant bring myself to care about one more. Honestly? Good. Fuck Xin Zhao. Fuck champions with point and click dashes in general, actually. Fuck them, they can rot at 20% winrate for all I care. Champions like Amumu, Shyvana, Hecarim, and others can gank her easily since they don't require point and click attacks. Like jeez...isn't that obvious? Then you are an utterly horrible Udyr who isn't spam cycling skills to abuse your passive or Bear.
There are a bunch more. Basically the thread started out not great and soured from there.
Yep. It was mostly "Senna is a bad matchup for champions I like to play and I haven't figured out any counters" followed up by some not so great arguments:
There are a bunch more. Basically the thread started out not great and soured from there.
Not only are the words you're putting into Yenn's mouth mean-spirited, but they also seem biased. Is it really so far-fetched for someone to discover that a newly-released champion is a bad matchup for the champions they like to play? If that was actually all the thread said, the removal would be understandable, but he actually provided reasoning and numbers for why it's so difficult to gank Senna, particularly as Udyr. Is the problem that he made a statement of fact about Senna being impossible to gank rather than asking a question of how to deal with her?
And can you explain why a thread with actual reasoning was removed while trash like this stays up?
Not only are the words you're putting into Yenn's mouth mean-spirited, but they also seem biased. Is it really so far-fetched for someone to discover that a newly-released champion is a bad matchup for the champions they like to play? If that was actually all the thread said, the removal would be understandable, but he actually provided reasoning and numbers for why it's so difficult to gank Senna, particularly as Udyr. Is the problem that he made a statement of fact about Senna being impossible to gank rather than asking a question of how to deal with her?
And can you explain why a thread with actual reasoning was removed while trash like this stays up?
I mean............. you gotta point about this one, not gonna lie "% HEALTH TRUE DAMAGE BAD ME WANNA MUNDO WHERE MUNDO PLEASES" is basically the gist of that thread lmao
Goes to report queue, sees the thread hasn't been reported. Golly, I wonder why it wasn't removed.
Golly, I'm pretty sure I reported that several times.
Golly, I'm pretty sure I reported that several times.
Regardless, it's gone now. It was posted about midnight, so it wouldn't have been addressed until sometime after the EST mods woke up anyhow.
Yep. It was mostly "Senna is a bad matchup for champions I like to play and I haven't figured out any counters" followed up by some not so great arguments:
There are a bunch more. Basically the thread started out not great and soured from there.
Yikes, you're putting words in my mouth to change the interpretation of the thread.
Of the champions I used as examples, I play exactly one of them. The purpose of the thread was to point out that Senna's E has too much power associated with it because it shuts down a large portion of the jungle roster with no counterplay, and also provides suggestions for toning it down.
If you want to go through this logic, any post suggesting something is overpowered is a rant. I can report 90% of the posts on the front page of Gameplay right now and they'll be deleted.
You clearly have an agenda to push here. Bring this thread to the attention of someone above you.
Yikes, you're putting words in my mouth to change the interpretation of the thread.
Okay... Let's play that game by going through your post:
[title]Half the jungle roster literally cannot gank a lane with Senna in it
Hyperbole. Breats the proposed rule against clickbait titles. Offers zero information about which champions are affected.
Any champion that relies on a targeted ability or moderate movement speed cannot do anything against her, thanks to her shroud.
More hyperbole. No conversation can follow from "cannot do anything against her, thanks to her shroud". People facing Yasuo have been told forever that they needed to learn how to play around Windwall. Surely her Shroud can be played around by skilled enough players?
As Udyr, I can't touch her lane. Her shroud gives more movement speed than my bear form until rank 4 and has double the duration. I can't blue smite for speed or slow, and if I somehow get close enough to see into the shroud, there's a point blank root.
This is mildly better because it gives a specific example and I have sympathy because Udyr isn't in a great place right now, but I have to ask, how many games have you played against Senna as Udyr? It's also more hyperbole.
Vi, Kindred, Xin, Ekko, Rengar, Yi, etc. all have the same issue.
People pointed out a number of counterplays from those champions, especially Vi, which was actually a factor in removing the thread because it highlighted how much of a raw complaint your post actually was. We're pretty clear about this, if you want to complain, we're not going to stop you. Just do it in RANT or GD.
The lane is almost immune to being ganked, because the shroud prevents you from using your engage, and it lasts long enough for them to retreat to the turret, even if they're hard pushing.
Senna seems to be in a pretty good place right now.
At top, she's strong against Garen, Riven and Jax, which seems good to me because this might increase diversity up there.
Senna as ADC seems to be a wash. She punishes the champions she should and loses to the ones I would expect.
As support, it makes sense she struggles against root/hook champions as someone with a super-slow shot delay.
Her E really needs to be cut back or replaced with another ability. 6 seconds is too long and it doesn't even need the movement speed.
That's an opinion you can have. I'll be interested to see how it shakes out over time.
Saying that Senna seems in a pretty good place when she's already at 50% winrate with a 12% pickrate WHILE PEOPLE HAVE JUST BARELY STARTED PLAYING HER AND DON'T EVEN KNOW OPTIMAL RUNES/BUILDS is a pretty laughable statement, tbh.
Saying that she can do well into 3 lanes as a champion that's supposed to be balanced as a support suggests she needs hard nerfs.
I'd suggest the removal of the MS steal on AA until at the very least until she hits 6. If you don't out-range her, she's untouchable in lane. And she out-ranges a good portion of the roster. Next would be reducing her AA range to 575 or 550 base.
Saying that Senna seems in a pretty good place when she's already at 50% winrate with a 12% pickrate WHILE PEOPLE HAVE JUST BARELY STARTED PLAYING HER AND DON'T EVEN KNOW OPTIMAL RUNES/BUILDS is a pretty laughable statement, tbh.
Most champions enjoy a honeymoon period while people figure out counterplay, so 50% is actually pretty weak.
Not really. Most start at a relatively low winrate unless they offer very little counterplay in lane...and Senna offers very little counterplay in lane.
This is all more yikes, you're just further proving that you have an agenda to push here by trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong.
Hyperbole. Breats the proposed rule against clickbait titles. **Offers zero information about which champions are affected. **
I listed out examples of champions who have this issue in the thread: Vi, Kindred, Xin, Ekko, Rengar, Yi, etc. all have the same issue. Which you even quoted after making this accusation. There is a strict character limit on titles. What the fuck?
These champions that I used as examples make up almost 40% of jungle picks. I can go through the entire roster and pick out the rest, but why would I do that if I've already demonstrated the types of champions that have issues against her? This isn't hyperbole.
More hyperbole. No conversation can follow from "cannot do anything against her, thanks to her shroud". People facing Yasuo have been told forever that they needed to learn how to play around Windwall. Surely her Shroud can be played around by skilled enough players?
Except I use Udyr as an example and give an explanation as to how there's nothing you can do about the shroud. If you think there's something that these champions can do about it, it's on you to provide counter strategies.
'Surely her Shroud can be played around by skilled enough players?' If you don't know the answer to this, are you in even in a position to be suggesting that there is something that can be done to play around it?
This is mildly better because it gives a specific example and I have sympathy because Udyr isn't in a great place right now, but I have to ask, how many games have you played against Senna as Udyr? It's also more hyperbole.
This is completely irrelevant. I've explained exactly why Udyr cannot interact with a Senna lane due to Shroud. Why is my experience even being brought into question? Again, if you're going to just say 'you haven't played against Senna enough' and not offer examples of counters, you're contributing nothing and should not be part of the conversation.
People pointed out a number of counterplays from those champions, especially Vi, which was actually a factor in removing the thread because it highlighted how much of a raw complaint your post actually was. We're pretty clear about this, if you want to complain, we're not going to stop you. Just do it in RANT or GD.
They pointed out a theoretical counterplay for exactly one champion, Vi, which is absolutely not a viable strategy at high elo, and most, if not all, other high elo players would agree with me.
If you really want to dig into this, the suggested counterplay for Vi, that she can just 'Q into the shroud' is completely absurd and not possible. Senna's Shroud gives +20% movement speed. Vi's movement speed is slowed by 15% while she charges her Q and she doesn't have any sort of speed boost. There's no realistic way for her to Q into the shroud, unless we're talking about a lane with no wards where Senna is pushed to the enemy turret.
'Your opponent just needs to be playing extremely badly' should not be considered a valid counterplay for any discussion.
Senna seems to be in a pretty good place right now.
At top, she's strong against Garen, Riven and Jax, which seems good to me because this might increase diversity up there.
Senna as ADC seems to be a wash. She punishes the champions she should and loses to the ones I would expect.
As support, it makes sense she struggles against root/hook champions as someone with a super-slow shot delay.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say with this. She has 0.4% pick rate and 47% win rate in top lane. This shouldn't even have any relevance. If you want to talk about her overall viability, she has 53% win rate as support at Diamond+, which is insane for a champion who has been out for only a week.
I'm really not sure why you're trying to debate Senna in a thread about your blatant abuse of moderation privileges, instead of the relevant thread which you deleted.
EDIT: Surprise, you're also responsible for the Yuumi bullshit going on in gameplay. You're very obviously abusing your privileges to push any conversation about support balance in the direction that you want it to go. I've opened a support ticket to bring attention to this abuse and suggest everyone reading this thread do the same: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=4584
No, but based on Ulanopo's summary, it appears my assumption (based on literally hundreds of threads of data, and that's just the ones I remember from when they posted 5+ on multiple days) was correct.
No, but based on Ulanopo's summary, it appears my assumption (based on literally hundreds of threads of data, and that's just the ones I remember from when they posted 5+ on multiple days) was correct.
Your assumption is based on nothing but bias and borderline harassment, and Ulanopo's summary is little better, so I'm honestly not surprised.