morgana black shield wont block "quinn's" nearsighted

SwiftKitten88··42 votes·1,873 views

i find this pretty bs...

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LXII5 votes

This is a weird one since nearsighted only comes from 2(?) other sources that I can think of. Noct ult and Graves Smokescreen. For the other two Black Shield has no business blocking it because.. well it's a shield, it shouldn't magically make you see through smoke or pitch black environments. The application of Quinn's is what makes it weird, because the way hers works absolutely should be blocked by a shield but because it's tagged the same as the other two it just doesn't.

Edit: Civil discussions now get downvoted I guess? Lol

SwiftKitten884 votes

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This is a weird one since nearsighted only comes from 2(?) other sources that I can think of. Noct ult and Graves Smokescreen. For the other two Black Shield has no business blocking it because.. well it's a shield, it shouldn't magically make you see through smoke or pitch black environments. The application of Quinn's is what makes it weird, because the way hers works absolutely should be blocked by a shield but because it's tagged the same as the other two it just doesn't.

item 3102 's block nocturn ulti, idk about smokescreen, but it woudl make sense if it did.

and for that matter morg's W wont procitem 3102 item 3814 or siver spellshield.

which is really a pain in the ass... but i suspect that is intended because its a damage over time

LXII2 votes

Didn't know that, thanks! I still doubt it blocks Smokescreen though. Definitely the damage, but there's still a cloud of smoke around you. Will test though to be sure.

Votable Jester3 votes

Pretty sure you're correct. If it's just a constantly applied nearsight though, they could make it so the shield works on it while it's up.

The Quinn interaction really feels bad though.

AidanWR1 votes

The reason that Banshee's blocks Nocturne's ult is because it's technically a spell used on every target, like a Karthus ultimate. It does block Graves' Smokescreen, but only the damage, you will still be Nearsighted inside of the AoE

Weaver91 votes

Sivirs spellshield would block aery if morgana used her w on sivir. so if the motive for getting her spellshield was to then q her, then there you go.

RainbowIcee2 votes

But like.. it's a bird that claws your eyes out. I don't think a spell shield can protect you from physical harm. So it logically makes sense right until the part were you can see again then that's just BS

No flash no life1 votes

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But like.. it's a bird that claws your eyes out. I don't think a spell shield can protect you from physical harm. So it logically makes sense right until the part were you can see again then that's just BS

the thing is physics doesn't apply to league. Like how you can blind lee sin, or how blitz can hook a target heavier than him over instead of getting pulled.

RainbowIcee3 votes

We all know lee sin isn't really blind. http://i.imgur.com/kQMO2uH.jpg

Xonra1 votes

Just like logically a wall of wind can block an incoming rocket...or LIGHT, which literally makes no sense. Morg's black shield blocks all sorts of physical projectiles, so why would a small bird be different?

Xonra2 votes

I agree with the Nocturne point but I disagree about it with Graves. It can block a sun beam from the heavens (Leona's ult) but it is completely ignored by a smoke grenade. It can ignore Cass's "on ground" effects, but what makes Graves smoke screen any different? It can block Teemo's blind, but it can't block Nearsighted?

The logic doesn't follow.

LXII1 votes

The logic is s solid though.. All those other things just hit you and have an effect. Smokescreen actually alters the environment around you. It surrounds you with smoke. It doesn't poke out your eyes (Teemo and Quinn) cause that can be blocked by.. you know.. blocking, even in real life an actual shield would stop both of these attacks. It wouldn't even need to be a magical shield.

Now apply that same logic to being surrounded by a huge cloud of smoke. If Morgana provided Black Tac Goggles, then yeah maybe you can see through it, but that's not the case.

VoidStaresBack2 votes

There are two other sources of nearsight which serve to muddle the matter further: Tahm Kench's devour and Rek'sai's Burrow.

LXII1 votes

I purposely left Rek Sai out since she can't do it to anyone but herself, but 100% forgot about Kench. Good catch there!

DorkunedAuras4 votes

Neither does Olaf Ult. Neither CC immunity ability will block any nearsight, whether it's Nocturne, Quinn or Graves

Ez dePaz1 votes

Malz passive still get poped by them thou.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Malz passive gets popped by the damage aspect of spells not the cc aspect

Anastaecia3 votes

it's not cc

Mordepool34 votes

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it's not cc

Whoever categorized it as not being cc must have been nearsighted

Morgan le Fey5 votes

It floats over your head just like "Stunned", "Slowed", etc.

Other than that, I can't really comment. I main Morg, but I haven't actually fought Quinn in a very long time.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Black sheild blocks 'spell effects' other than damage

Anastaecia2 votes

Black Shield is a magic (damage) shield that negates cc as long as it holds.

Nearsighted (which 4 champs apply) is not coded as cc, therefore BS doesn't negate Quinn. CC is an arbitrary term which can be any combo of movement and ability impairing, which differs from game to game. The only impairment that Nearsighted puts on you is the inability to use long ranged skills. I guess Riot figured that wasn't a big enough category to really consider Nearsighted CC.

QSS does remove it (but nothing else will). This does seems odd.

You all can downvote this too. I am not agreeing one way or the other. I am just explaining why it is the way it is based on the way RIot has everything set up.

The Blue Rajah3 votes

Why is Quinn in quotation marks?

Catastrophic1 votes

I came here just to point that out

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

Honestly it blocking Test of Spirit is a bigger problem imho. You already have to hit that slow ass skillshot with little range I don't need to throw it out and give Morgana enough time to E someone before it gets near them if they so happen to actually get "hit" by it.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Honestly it blocking Test of Spirit is a bigger problem imho. You already have to hit that slow ass skillshot with little range I don't need to throw it out and give Morgana enough time to E someone before it gets near them if they so happen to actually get "hit" by it.

umm thats working as intended..

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

Test of Spirit isn't really a disable though. That means I should theoretically be able to Cleanse/QSS Test of Spirit aswell which I am 99% sure is not the case.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

It applies a non-damaging debuff, and I do believe it slows on initial impact.

Blåbæret1 votes

The only BS here is Morgana herself. Play a real champ, buddy. You know - something that actually takes more than one button to play and isn't completely braindead.

ChuShoe2 votes

Actually, the only thing morgana can do as a champion (people normally play her support anyways) is land a Q and be irritating. Frankly, just a bad champion because she sucks.

(btw, nice garen + nasus matches)

Neidox1 votes

All champions take 4 buttons to play. And clicking on the mouse.

Blåbæret1 votes

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All champions take 4 buttons to play. And clicking on the mouse.

Not morgana.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Teemo?

abca981 votes

L M A O M A O

DariusDemiurge1 votes

I agree, Morgana should block all negative status effects with black shield. It should also be reverted to the old form that removes debuff after casting it as it should be.

Friendly Ram1 votes

well black shield also doesn't block terrain based knockups so yay for annoying exceptions.

Xonra3 votes

Well, that's cause otherwise the champion model would bug out and get stuck in an Anivia wall or something. That isn't really an argument on the same level at all. I mean, it isn't like she can put on black shield and suddenly walk through a wall, so it wouldn't make sense for Black shield to suddenly block a piece of terrain.

Friendly Ram2 votes

The point of yas being able to ult you while black shielded is on the same level as the quinn interaction.

Don't try to change my apple into a orange.

LordGeovanni1 votes

that happened to me with out a black sheild

Mighty Mortein1 votes

Yeah, and Nocturnes ult pops Malzahars passive.

Cornerstone11 votes

Didn't know that... Does seem wrong.

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