What's the problem with Nashor's Tooth on Twisted Fate?

Blitzidious·May 16, 2015·2 votes·10,486 views

Overall, it looks like he'd benefit from it greatly. The Attack speed synergizes with his E, the cooldown reduction, all of his abilities, the AP, albeit small compared to another item, still is beneficial. This is just raw stats, the passive itself seems as if it'd be tremendous on our Card Master. So please, could someone inform me of why it isn't recommended, and, to me, it seems, why it's shunned as a purchase? Of course you wouldn't choose it over the big three or Lich bane, but one extra slot is open to so much possibility, and one of them being this beloved Void Fang. For mana issues, sure, yes, besides Lich bane, you have no mana sustain.. Or do you? Cooldown reduction on your W will allow you to throw out more Blue cards in situations that demands it, when low, and need to conserve mana for a W+Q combo, you have sustained damage with your auto attacks and E. So, Why? Why isn't this built on him?

9 Comments

RenailleMay 16, 20153 votes

Short range and immobile.

Vistha KaiMay 16, 20152 votes

The issue with Nashor's on TF is that TF is really squishy and can't afford to stand there AA'ing people.

You'd basically need a dedicated bruiser/tank build to utilize Nashor's which is why nobody build it on TF.

BlitzidiousMay 16, 20151 votes

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The issue with Nashor's on TF is that TF is really squishy and can't afford to stand there AA'ing people.

You'd basically need a dedicated bruiser/tank build to utilize Nashor's which is why nobody build it on TF.

Kiting is a skill that most should use, and in this meta, you already, more than likely, have two tanks on your team peeling (for) you like a banana.

Vistha KaiMay 16, 20151 votes

In the solo queue environment you'd be rather buying item 3116 for kitting. I mean... how is Nashor suppose to help you with kitting in the first place?

BlitzidiousMay 16, 20151 votes

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In the solo queue environment you'd be rather buying for kitting. I mean... how is Nashor suppose to help you with kitting in the first place?

Um, I didn't say anything about Nashor's helping with Kiting, I typed, in quote, "Kiting is a skill that most should use," never did I say anything about amplifications to kitablity.

NorthernDruidMay 16, 20152 votes

Too short range mostly. AP TF is a bursty champion, while Nashor's is more of a sustained damage item.

In an on-hit/AP build sure, or if you're going tanky+AP.

Otherwise it's just not worth it because most of your damage is loaded into proccing lichbane and hitting your abilities. And the attack speed doesn't get you an extra E often enough to be worth it over something tanky, offensive/defensive or straight up raw power.

CronofugeMay 16, 20152 votes

He's super squishy so his playstyle revolves around weaving in and out of combat, which is why you have seen movement speed builds pop up every now and then, as well as pros taking ghost as an offensive/defensive summoner.

As much as it looks good on paper to build nashor's tooth (believe me, I look for excuses to build that item as well as excuses to try an AA intensive TF build) it just doesn't pan out in practice. Your best bet is to invest into burst/catch to make those short windows during your stun as impactful as possible. Buuuut if you're playing normals with a group of friends go for it, tis fun to listen to high attack speed Twisted Fate.

WindfallenMay 16, 20152 votes

It could work, just not as well as a cookie cutter build with item 3089 item 3285 item 3100 item 3157 item 3135 .

Then again, I've made ADC TF work wonders too.

DatalessMay 16, 20151 votes

TwistedFate is an Assassin, so you really want to build items that allow you to burst down a target with your stun card + Q & E proc. Items like item 3100 accomplish this, item 3115 is more for champions who like extended fights with LOTS of basic attacks, that's not really TF's shtick.