Kog'Maw Jungle?

Onwodori·Mar 16, 2015·2 votes·2,254 views

Hey there, Master Fledgling here.

Kog'Maw is actually pretty cool -- He's a Pokemon unleashed unto the unsuspecting world of Runeterra. Real talk -- He'd be Dragon/Poison or Dragon/Dark type (Or Bug type?) and would be a cool, unappreciated sweeper. I'm thinking 71/121/62/131/62/85. Ability, Sniper or Aftermath, what with his ult and passive. Not bad, you little monster you.

Ehem. Pokemon rant aside;

Has anyone ever taken him into the jungle? As I understand, he has a rough time in lane, but can become quite scary later. With lots of percentage damage and all the mana he wants from blue buff, why not take him there? He's squishy, sure, but slap some armor on him and kite for awhile. His ganks would be 'eh' but I imagine it would be the late game you live for, becoming an extra ADC that can roam, hold lanes, and hopefully burst down enemies.

Let me know if it's ever been or could be a thing,

I want to be the very best (like no one ever was)

-MF

16 Comments

PæanMar 16, 20151 votes

I feel like without a super hard leash he would die to his first camp. :/ Especially without the old soft leash higher cap, so I don't think you could do a full clear without 3 or more backs xD

OnwodoriMar 16, 20151 votes

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I feel like without a super hard leash he would die to his first camp. :/ Especially without the old soft leash higher cap, so I don't think you could do a full clear without 3 or more backs xD

I dunno -- I figure it would go golems for the stun off auto's (Since that's all you do) wolves, blue, back, trailblazer, clear accordingly. I think it's doable.

PæanMar 16, 20151 votes

Its probably possible with attack speed marks and quints as long as you have the stun passive up the whole time. Worth a try if you ever have the time.

OnwodoriMar 16, 20151 votes

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Its probably possible with attack speed marks and quints as long as you have the stun passive up the whole time. Worth a try if you ever have the time.

Well, the reason why I ask is because he's free this coming week and I need to find an ADC to add to my collection. I'm a jungler, support, so being able to use the ADC elsewhere would be a huge boon!

PæanMar 16, 20151 votes

Quinn can actually jungle pretty well too. She isn't the best adc, and is seen more in top or mid lane now but she CAN adc or jungle. http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/quinn-jungle-riotsavethequinn-5-4-ready-397519

And apparently someone has found success with Lucian! though the build is very strangely worded http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/drive-by-lucian-jungle-aka-the-homie-revamped-and-fully-load-381604

Sona PingMar 16, 20151 votes

Not at all. I tried solo clears with Kog'maw for the sake of it in customs a long time ago (before jungle nerfs) and I was able to clear.

Note: This is not a recommendation, suggestion, or approval of taking Kog'maw Jungle.

Zenba CatMar 16, 20151 votes

Thats an interesting idea since foresters have been getting buffs. A farming forester might be pretty interesting and with his kit he could farm fairly quickly. I'm not sure if Kog is the best suited for the role, but then again I am not good enough at ad mechanics to even try him in the forest. Maybe someone could try this out in 5s to see how it fairs.

OnwodoriMar 16, 20151 votes

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Thats an interesting idea since foresters have been getting buffs. A farming forester might be pretty interesting and with his kit he could farm fairly quickly. I'm not sure if Kog is the best suited for the role, but then again I am not good enough at ad mechanics to even try him in the forest. Maybe someone could try this out in 5s to see how it fairs.

I'm happy to be that guy. How about I get back to all of you tomorrow on this? xD I have two masteries already and, due to my low funding, I am going to just use my standard AD page with him. From there, I think I am going to build:

item 3726 item 3070 item 3006 / item 3111 / item 3020 and just see where to go from there. AD would be BotRK and what not, mostly focusing on his AA abilities, and an AP build would be the standard crazy damage items.

OnwodoriMar 16, 20151 votes

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Thats an interesting idea since foresters have been getting buffs. A farming forester might be pretty interesting and with his kit he could farm fairly quickly. I'm not sure if Kog is the best suited for the role, but then again I am not good enough at ad mechanics to even try him in the forest. Maybe someone could try this out in 5s to see how it fairs.

Also, what is a 'forester'? Someone who jungles who isn't really a jungler but benefits from it because their laning sucks?

Zenba CatMar 16, 20151 votes

I just say forester because jungler sounds dumb. Besides, the term jungler reminds me of DotA which is far more like a jungle than LoL's forest is. Forester is alot cooler imo.

OnwodoriMar 16, 20151 votes

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I just say forester because jungler sounds dumb. Besides, the term jungler reminds me of DotA which is far more like a jungle than LoL's forest is. Forester is alot cooler imo.

Agreed. It needs more palm tree and what not for 'jungle'.

Sona PingMar 16, 20151 votes

I love Kog'maw. And I have actually done things like Jungle Jinx or Twitch for fun in the past so it can be done.

Warning! Bubble bursting below:

However, it's not at all competitive. Like I kind of implied, Jungle Twitch was actually an off-jungler since a long time ago. The problem is that taking off picks now (Ranged ADs, APs, even tanks) is that there have been tons of "environmental nerfs" to off-picks that have been occurring for a long time. Especially now in S5, it's even worse. You can still clear the camps but there isn't anything stopping any of the Invasion/Early aggression Bruiser assassins that were so dominant in S4 that it warranted the change to the S5 that made them worse. You can clear the first two camps while the enemy Bruiser can clear his two camps, faster and with more health, and then comes over to bully you for your pocket change and buffs.

It's kinda sad, because Pow-Powing a camp, then shooting a Mega-Death Rocket to pick up a killing while walking to the next is a lot of fun, but it's kinda ruined when their champ can come beat you down whenever he wants and there's nothing I can do because his champ is just made better.

OnwodoriMar 17, 20151 votes

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I love Kog'maw. And I have actually done things like Jungle Jinx or Twitch for fun in the past so it can be done.

Warning! Bubble bursting below:

However, it's not at all competitive. Like I kind of implied, Jungle Twitch was actually an off-jungler since a long time ago. The problem is that taking off picks now (Ranged ADs, APs, even tanks) is that there have been tons of "environmental nerfs" to off-picks that have been occurring for a long time. Especially now in S5, it's even worse. You can still clear the camps but there isn't anything stopping any of the Invasion/Early aggression Bruiser assassins that were so dominant in S4 that it warranted the change to the S5 that made them worse. You can clear the first two camps while the enemy Bruiser can clear his two camps, faster and with more health, and then comes over to bully you for your pocket change and buffs.

It's kinda sad, because Pow-Powing a camp, then shooting a Mega-Death Rocket to pick up a killing while walking to the next is a lot of fun, but it's kinda ruined when their champ can come beat you down whenever he wants and there's nothing I can do because his champ is just made better.

Why is Jungle Karthus a thing then? And a fox-drop approved thing?

Sona PingMar 17, 20151 votes

I'm sorry, did you think I was trying to start an argument? I wasn't and I didn't mean to come off that way; I don't even see what I would have said that would be controversial. Unless I am just misreading your intention here.

Jungle Karthus is a thing because he had good clears and snowball potential; his weakness has always been to invasion, like I said was a drawback to AP junglers, especially now.

As for Foxdrop, I have to presume his opinions of course, but I do not believe he would be in disagreement with anything I wrote here. "Problems With The Season 5 Jungle & How Nidalee Jungle Was a Good Thing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEhEF7j4xXw His opinion seems to match mine (but watch the full video anyway; it's pretty good). He says:

Currently, the jungle is stale and boring [from being dominated by a few jungle bruiser]...So why don't we just play other champions. The thing is, off-meta junglers have never been in a worse spot. And currently, it's not fun or productive to play them. In my eyes, the biggest reason for this is that they fail on a very fundamental level; they can't handle the jungle itself.

Like I wrote, I'm not trying to rain on parades and I'm not saying "Don't do it". I'm just trying to inform you that if you were to try Jungle Kog'maw, there may be significant drawbacks that you could face, such as what has happened to me some games, getting beat down by the enemy bruiser/assassin at Level 2, Level 3, Level Whenever-He-Happens-to-Remember. Having two Ranged AD Champs was pretty cool but the first half of those games sucked.

OnwodoriMar 17, 20151 votes

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I'm sorry, did you think I was trying to start an argument? I wasn't and I didn't mean to come off that way; I don't even see what I would have said that would be controversial. Unless I am just misreading your intention here.

Jungle Karthus is a thing because he had good clears and snowball potential; his weakness has always been to invasion, like I said was a drawback to AP junglers, especially now.

As for Foxdrop, I have to presume his opinions of course, but I do not believe he would be in disagreement with anything I wrote here. "Problems With The Season 5 Jungle & How Nidalee Jungle Was a Good Thing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEhEF7j4xXw His opinion seems to match mine (but watch the full video anyway; it's pretty good). He says:

Like I wrote, I'm not trying to rain on parades and I'm not saying "Don't do it". I'm just trying to inform you that if you were to try Jungle Kog'maw, there may be significant drawbacks that you could face, such as what has happened to me some games, getting beat down by the enemy bruiser/assassin at Level 2, Level 3, Level Whenever-He-Happens-to-Remember. Having two Ranged AD Champs was pretty cool but the first half of those games sucked.

INB4 I read more than the first line ---

No, of course not! No arguing here ^_^ Karthus was just an example I could think of of a very fragile, early game champ that is a monster later. I'll read the rest of your note now! xD Thanks mate.

OnwodoriMar 17, 20151 votes

Well, in a -very- relaxed normals game, my first game went 9/4/10. Not necessarily credible though yet.