An AP Shaco player's reaction to upcoming Shaco changes demonstrated by cats

Onwodori·Oct 21, 2016·58 votes·4,566 views

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33 Comments

TheLastShadow45Oct 21, 201629 votes

http://imgur.com/YvVBXST

nami tfOct 21, 201627 votes

Shuck Faco

EvilUnicornLordOct 21, 201620 votes

And just when ADCs thought it was safe...

PæanOct 21, 20164 votes

Honestly seems like they are trying to phase out his AD Playstyles. Why build him ad when everything scales off ap now?

President Swa1nOct 21, 20163 votes

Even if they are, why is that an issue?

PæanOct 21, 20163 votes

Elimitating a playstyle cuts down on the people playing a champ.

Granted shaco is a hated champ and people are always happy to see less of him. I have over 250k shaco mastery playing AD, AD bruiser, tank or even attack speed. AP isn't my personal cup of tea and I would hate to see it as the only viable way to play my favorite champ.

ChoaruOct 22, 20164 votes

Same man same pats pats Shaco

hugs Shaco ;;

BoundaryBreakerOct 23, 20162 votes

RIP it was the clone on AP Shaco

Civet10Oct 21, 201613 votes

His passive still scales ad, his boxes are still good cc, his e still scales AD, his ult autos still scale ad, and you cant stack boxes anymore. Saying everything scaling ap will make ad useless is like saying ad ezreal is useless because he scales well with ap. its just not true

PæanOct 21, 20161 votes

The 20% backstabbing bonus applies to 2 shiv poisons active and I'd imagine it would apply to the Q ap bonus and items like lichbane.

Never said it was useless, just that he has AP on every single ability. And considering a 1:1 ratio on E and R still promotes ap playstyles.

TequilaZombieOct 23, 20161 votes

Split pushing and dueling power. Not to mention better jungling.

PæanOct 23, 20161 votes

Ap has higher potential burst. And the buff to Ap champs for damage to towers helped, plus a lichbane will chunk towers.

Granted, jungling caters to AD, but ap boxes and low cd E can help too.

Lintu PuckOct 21, 20161 votes

just because most abilities scale off of ap doesn't mean it's good to build that way. the ratio might not be that big compared to the AD scaling, not to mention Shaco's normally do more auto attacking then attacking with abilities. so AP Shaco is still going to be mainly for everything other then Summoner's Rift.

PæanOct 21, 20162 votes

1:1 on E and R, cant get much better than that.

The amount of damage enough boxes do is crazy with some ap as well, and now that the lifetime of boxes scales with AP that's even more zoning and stackable boxes.

AP shaco doesn't really auto attack and used Q as an escape or gapcloser, now it's more burst with the ap scaling.

Could open up some more builds but could also pigeon-hole him into ap only.

TequilaZombieOct 23, 20161 votes

Boxes do not stack that well anymore. If you place them on top of each other they slide away. The base damage on E has been nerfed a lot. His ult explosion is on a 18 seconds delay unless the enemy destroys it.

AD is still much more reliable.

PæanOct 23, 20161 votes

That's how Shaco has always been. Letting shaco detonate the clone would probably give too much power and create a dive-bomb ap shaco monster.

Stacking only really happens in the jungle, so lane shaco wouldnt be affected. while the "illuminati shaco" playstyle is a top lane counter to hard engage champs like riven/irelia.

Ozag the MightyOct 23, 20161 votes

I've never played him AD I love throwing a dagger and shredding half a tanks health :)

ChaosThiefOct 21, 20164 votes

Jesus christ... AP shaco's boxes have scaling duration now?!

RIP every player to walk into a bush.

The AqualiousOct 21, 20162 votes

Well… This will be fun

Psi21Oct 21, 20162 votes

AP and AD Shaco both got reworked alright (not well in my opinion)

Crits from Shaco are a lot less potent; in order to get the guaranteed crit, you MUST attack from behind. Before, as long as you use Q, you'll get the guaranteed crit + shiv crit + IE damage multiplier even when attacking from the front. Makes it much harder to burst.
Backstab passive no longer works with E. Prior to changes, E dealt more damage when landing from behind, courtesy of his passive. Not anymore.
His E base damage got reduced by half and is now an execute. The thing is, as Shaco your job is to hunt for squishies which don't have lots of hp to scale with your E. The old way of Q into E into hydra etc. won't work as well now because E base damage got lowered and the missing hp won't help that much due to squishies not having hp in the first place.
His boxes can no longer stack. This tremendously damages his clear in the jungle as two boxes at Krugs and two boxes at Red stacked up no longer works. The new jungle also kills him with all the mini Krugs spawning to ruin the set up.
The ult changes now with the clone dropping 3 boxes are nice, but they're not amazing. Not nearly enough to make up for the losses. In a teamfight with all the AoEs thrown around, these mini boxes with rapidly decaying hp won't even last 2 seconds.
The BIGGEST mistake is making his Q scale. Now it's down to 1.5 second and now scales. 1.5 second is not enough for jungle Shaco to reposition or invade or anything. 1.5 second, rendering the ability almost useless. They didn't even get rid of the poof of orange smoke you can see even in the fog of war with this change.
Jungle Shaco is now forced to upgrade Q for the extra invisibility at the cost of having less damage and burst from maxing E.
His E no longer slows monsters' attack speed in the jungle, further killing his jungle clear.
Boxes now have scaling hp, this further hurt Shaco's jungle clear due to having less hp at the start. Jungle monsters can kill them easier.

GrReaper96Oct 21, 20161 votes

Why doesnt his W stack anymore?

Psi21Oct 23, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Why doesnt his W stack anymore?

https://youtu.be/T3LusxYk6Xo?t=2m46s

Watch yourself.

Shaco was nerfed.

GrReaper96Oct 23, 20161 votes

This wont really effect his jungle is you place it right it should still work

HollowMimicOct 21, 20161 votes

So you guys think that Shaco will be that good after the rework? Would you recommend him to try?

I love his trickiness and need for preparation with the boxes and all before he gets into battle but I never felt it was rewarding enough, which is why I'm a bit reluctant to focus on him.

The AqualiousOct 21, 20166 votes

I would say try him now, they nerfed his invisibility in the early game, but mid to late game it's gonna be good. And his E now does percent missing health damage so... Yeah

MogarlOct 21, 20161 votes

I haven't really looked into Shaco, and I don't have acess to the pbe, but I am worried that I saw a shaco very successfully build a Deadman's Plate as a first item.

Hoping it was only succesful because everyone is playing squishy assassins on the pbe right now.

BatchBustsMetaOct 21, 20161 votes

Only complaint I have is I can't stack boxes anymore... Limits alot if plays, and really jacks up my level 2 cheese of takung gromp or golems and heading top. Besides that though, My eyeballs about flew out of my head when I combo'd someone late game, and saw the amount if damage I was doing.

A Kiting JannaOct 21, 20161 votes

What does stack boxes mean. Like will you not be able to place more than 1 box anymore?

BatchBustsMetaOct 22, 20162 votes

You can't place them one on top of the other. Instead the sorta bounce off, but not in a cool way like a teemo shroom, instead they kinda just jut out in a random direction, as far as I can tell anyway.

A Kiting JannaOct 22, 20161 votes

oh, damn that's retarded.

RocketRelmOct 22, 20161 votes

I know next to nothing about how the shaco box stack works, but would it be possible to either A, place them in a circle enough so that they all still hit the camp (given that buff doesn't have little creeps to soak the dps), or can you place them in a conga line/two separate sets and just walk the buff into the other half (ala illuminti shaco by Pink Ward)?