PSA to all smite/teleport toplaners. sincerely enemy jungler

Pæan·Apr 23, 2015·38 votes·4,509 views

If I'm jungling against you, and I see that you did this "strat" I will camp you, and I will make your life as miserable as possible. especially if you for some really dumb reason started with machete, which gives you zero benefit in lane, and honestly makes ganking you a non issue.

TLDR: expect to be camped by an early game jungler or jungler that doesn't like you stealing their camps.

Edit: this isn't meant as a salt post to destroy diversity, just please stop playing like you flash when you don't have an escape. IE don't push as a champ with no escapes.

46 Comments

Ronnie LawApr 23, 201522 votes

PSA to all junglers camping my lane because I have smite/teleport.

I teleported bot and got your dragon while you were camping.

Sincerely, Smite/Teleport Top

iamthegoatofwarApr 23, 20155 votes

And we took 2 towers while you were busying trying to kill my bot and take dragon. Sincerely, the enemy top and pissed off enemy jungler.

Ronnie LawApr 24, 20156 votes

2v0 Wins Top.

5v3 wins Bot and Mid.

You are now behind 2 towers 1-3 kills and a dragon.

Next?

Mr SpacemanApr 24, 20151 votes

you start to tp i jump on you cause im Zac

StealWolverineApr 25, 20151 votes

how behind 2 towers? top takes at least one and probably 2 towers. depending on whos left after the fight bot smite tops team can at best get one tower. thing is though the other top laner can now tp to whatever tower they are going for.

IcyPepperApr 23, 20157 votes

C-c-c-c-counterplay!

Faith BreakerApr 24, 20153 votes

Except games are played on The Rift not the board lol

TTUPhoenixApr 24, 20152 votes

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PSA to all junglers camping my lane because I have smite/teleport.

I teleported bot and got your dragon while you were camping.

Sincerely, Smite/Teleport Top

Too late, solo'ed.

SffcApr 24, 20153 votes

You mean, trying to take the drake that I warded and made sure that is protected by an ADC that I assisted before pitching tent?

Occams RaiserApr 24, 20151 votes

Oh please you told an ADC to protect something?

LeeDarkApr 24, 20152 votes

If you do that, top takes one of your top side camps and wards river.

PæanApr 24, 20153 votes

If you can accomplish all that pre-level 4 I'd be very impressed.

Ronnie LawApr 24, 20154 votes

I'm confused.

If we are talking pre-level 4, aren't you just a duo top lane? You can't clear camps/ward dragon/assist bot AND camp top in the first ~8 minutes of the game.

I don't really know what your definition of camping here is.

Generally, looking for a dragon at 8-10 minutes, a top lane teleport in on dragon while you assault turret top means everyone is either level 6 or close to.

If that is the case, then the trades I described are pretty much exactly what SHOULD happen.

Best option would be for your top to TP and contest dragon and hold turrets, but even then, you are trying to contest dragon smiteless and you will probably lose an all in fight AND it will cost you a turret. IF the "camping" jungler keeps split pushing, this will be answered by a bigger push bot or mid. 2 for 2 on towers with a team fight lost and a dragon conceded.

Granted, you won't see this in every game, not everyone watches the map.

But at high level play this is pretty much the picture to be expected.

Something could go wonky and you get a flip, but probably not.

As a general rule when I am jungling, my top laner is on his own until a dragon play has already been made.

Blue buff junglers are advantaged on the blue side, red buff junglers advantaged on the red side, because both clear paths lead to spikes on the dragon half of the map.

So take notes top lane, if you want ganks, you need to TP and take dragon when the play is called.

PæanApr 24, 20152 votes

I think we have a different idea about camping. I'm talking about ganking and killing the enemy laner whenever he appears. not so much about sitting there and pushing down towers all game. if we kill the enemy top laner with a big wave pushing in, he will need to TP to lane or he will lose a lot of xp And fall even more behind.

Thing is, I'm gold 2 at the moment so having that type of communication in soloQ would be no less than a miracle for either team. I would also love to have my riven be 3-0 in lane and be able to stomp basically anyone from there on.

Sorry if my initial post seemed a little lacking.

Ronnie LawApr 24, 20151 votes

Top lanes are bad at reading their waves and reacting to ganks, I'll give you that much.

IF you kill the laner it can easily be worth it, but that is a big IF.

That being said, smite/tele is dumb because the jungle items are not gold efficient if you aren't jungling (usually).

It's also pointless if you aren't going to port bot for dragon plays. I get alot of games where people seem to be confused as to WHY they are taking TP top.

It can be an interesting pick, but it actually hurts your laning and is only useful in the meta sense.

LeeDarkApr 24, 20151 votes

Except you just showed top, giving up mid, bot and dragon pressure. Then you showed top again, indicating your willingness to not give a crap about mid, bot, or Dragon at all. Now, as a top laner, yeah, I should be expecting the gank because I took Smite, so the first one shouldn't work. Trinket ward spots, and I'm back. The second one I'm not expecting, you know where the ward is, and maybe it expired, so let's say you get me. You just showed top twice in a row for one kill. My jungler is getting an exp advantage already. Twice in a row is going to make me wary... and then you come for a third one. Let's even say that you get it because you are strong enough to dive and everything goes right. You just lost two kills bot and dragon, and you MIGHT get my tower out of it, but if you stay to get the tower, we probably get one too.

All this, of course, assuming communication of the ganks/camping and intention to make a play bot and take drag. But, if we assume communication on one team's side, we have to assume it on both. Without that communication, you probably camp top three times for one kill, we get a kill either mid or bot, wherever our higher level jungler decided to go, and we still maybe get Dragon, though it is less likely.

The LovelessApr 24, 20151 votes

Assuming you don't get interrupted, sure.

SammystormApr 24, 20152 votes

except the other top laner has teleport and can also turn the fight around.

LeeDarkApr 24, 20153 votes

Still a 5v4 because both top laners TP, but one jungler is still stuck top because he was camping.

BouncingPecsApr 24, 20151 votes

and then Poppy TP'ed with you and pentakilled.

GanksLikeGast0nApr 23, 201517 votes

http://cdn.yourepeat.com/media/gif/000/624/011/668cdc1e44e8f20c51c5bd89ac231cc5.gif

PæanApr 24, 20152 votes

And that, is why you don't take Draven top lane >:D (or with smite) lol

Only Play DariusApr 24, 201514 votes

Notice how Rengoo successfully dived onto Draven despite him having 3 allies right next to him?

That is why I hate playing ADC in solo queue.

terkmcApr 24, 20151 votes

This is normally what happens during a stand off trading pot shots and one team suddenly initiate on one poor motherfucker. The rest of the team is going to panic run if your team collapse. Because if they stay and fight its 4v5 because that one motherfucker that got initiated on is not going to be of much help. Source: Nautilus ult.

GatiApr 23, 201512 votes

My favourite quote from a jg'ler

Warwick "I'll fucking pitch a fucking tent and start a campfire if a have to"

PæanApr 24, 20151 votes

I had a support "make" me a "tent" in botlane tribush. She put 3 wards in a triangle and i put my pink ward in the middle. It was quite cozy actually. Ganked that lane sooooooooo many times

Ariel the CruelApr 24, 20154 votes

Soraka I don't need a tent to attract junglers.

For some odd reason, they like having health. XD

aaronconlinApr 23, 20154 votes

If they start with item 1039 they deserve to be camped. Anyway, it's a pretty cool strategy and (at least in my elo), not a ton of people even know about it, but I expect that to change with the article on the front page. It's really only used for the dueling power and Cinderhulk health increase, and you can only steal the enemy gromp if you're on the North side of the map

Leti the YetiApr 23, 20153 votes

if u had every intention to camp a lane, not even flash would have saved em forever so might as have gone smite lol

PæanApr 24, 20151 votes

True, but it just reinforces my determination to ruin that lane. Normally I'll gank, get flash, then come back after a camp or if they stayed super close for some reason. But not having flash and not having an escape is one of the easiest ganks ever.

Ariel the CruelApr 24, 20153 votes

Azir Yes. stay top lane.

Varus I don't mind.

Leona See you in 4 towers.

iamthegoatofwarApr 23, 20151 votes

yha this smite tp bullshit is getting on my nerves.

The Real MugatuApr 23, 20151 votes

Once they nerf Cinderhulk to a point where its only viable in the jungle it will go away. Either that or tank junglers will once again be "out of the meta". Lets hope for the former.

iamthegoatofwarApr 23, 20151 votes

I agree however smite is to be taken for the JUNGLE. It slightly annoys me when a laner takes it not sure why.

IcyPepperApr 23, 20151 votes

counterjungling, objective control, challenger/chilling smite.

Colgate GatorApr 23, 20151 votes

This is a nice idea, I'll try it the next time I have a funny guy trying that out when I'm jungling.

OnwodoriApr 23, 20151 votes

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If I'm jungling against you, and I see that you did this "strat" I will camp you, and I will make your life as miserable as possible. especially if you for some really dumb reason started with machete, which gives you zero benefit in lane, and honestly makes ganking you a non issue.

TLDR: expect to be camped by an early game jungler or jungler that doesn't like you stealing their camps.

Edit: this isn't meant as a salt post to destroy diversity, just please stop playing like you flash when you don't have an escape. IE don't push as a champ with no escapes.

Lol I actually like it when I see this happen ... It lets you know that they will likely be poking around in your jungle, so if you ward smart, you can collapse on them most of the time and net a kill or assist :3

PæanApr 24, 20151 votes

The amount of free kills ive gotten because of smite toplaners trying to take my gromp or kruggs is hilarious.
They roll in at 1/2 hp and i come in and they are dead, behind, and get smashed in lane.

58738074DEL1Apr 24, 20151 votes

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PæanApr 24, 20151 votes

Yes I have.... and? o.o

Saminus MaximusApr 24, 20151 votes

._. All the people saying you're going to tp bot lane and get dragon if you get camped are relying on a whoooole lot of ifs. You're relying on your jungler being on the bot side of the map to make it a 5v4 instead of a 4v4. You're relying on your bot and mid to be winning lane and be in a good enough condition to fight. And the dumbest one of all you're relying on the jungler ganking you to just sit there after killing you when any half decent jungler would just start moving to do other things while you're still dead.

Stark6000Apr 24, 20151 votes

They probably are hoping you camp them. So they can passive farm while you lose the rest of the map.

Mister PunchesApr 24, 20151 votes

Not their fault Riot made Cinderhulk extremely broken, and they're just taking advantage of it.

Byakuya KuchikiApr 25, 20151 votes

dw i took either your red or my gromp or my red and will get first blood against your laner, use my minions well to 2v1, and also buy wards and deep ward, and if all else fails pray to god youre not lee sin, because he laughs at turrets, or one of the players that knows how to build to not take damage from towers

PæanApr 25, 20151 votes

You see, if I wasn't gold 2 then I would be worried. Nobody remotely close to my elo has ever been that organized. Most do a camp with smite for level 2 then just farm/push until ganking is basically a breeze. Top laner s in gold have no idea how to use a minion wave to their advantage other run around in the wave trying to dodge a skillshot. and yeah, I play Lee sin sometimes and it's sad how easy ganks and dives are with him, played right it really just feels unfair for the enemy. however played wrong and it's a free kill for the enemy xD

Byakuya KuchikiApr 25, 20151 votes

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You see, if I wasn't gold 2 then I would be worried. Nobody remotely close to my elo has ever been that organized. Most do a camp with smite for level 2 then just farm/push until ganking is basically a breeze. Top laner s in gold have no idea how to use a minion wave to their advantage other run around in the wave trying to dodge a skillshot. and yeah, I play Lee sin sometimes and it's sad how easy ganks and dives are with him, played right it really just feels unfair for the enemy. however played wrong and it's a free kill for the enemy xD

yea i main top and jungle so ive been learning how to deal with all of those cheese strats but i havent found one for the passive when youre then agressive when youre across the map top laners with smite its so obnoxious