how do you play vayne into blitz, annie, sona, and a few others

Byakuya Kuchiki·10/23/2015, 8:00:22 AM·1 votes·1,034 views

It feels like enemy supports can just walk up and zone me out of EXP range. If I try to harass them for being so far up they just q w or whatever their combo is and I take a quarter of my health bar. Junglers can't do anything because they just ward around scuttle and in tri bush

edit: http://imgur.com/Dd0KrGJ blue = enemy team red = my team square = adc circle = support diamond = cs wave

3 Comments

Loco Little10/23/2015, 12:41:13 PM1 votes

Answer? You have to respect it.

It's part of their strength, all the champs you just mentioned are designed to be poke, harass and zone supports. They are meant to exert pressure in lane. This game is everything about advantages and disadvantages.

Everyone finds these champs 'annoying' thats their point at this stage of the game, but the difference between them being annoying and generally giving you a hard time is your own skill, and how you interact with them.

Things you should learn to do-

Give up cs- No, you will not get every cs, and if you try, you will die. Stop trying, when that blitz is coming up to your side, you back the fuck up. You wait, let me tell you this, only your minions are damaging the enemy minions, this is a constant, you being zoned isn't going to make you miss further cs at max, you will miss 3/4 before its pushed to your tower and you can farm safely again. Wasting your abilities actually further pushes the wave, making you miss more, and getting in range when you really shouldn't will make you die and miss 15 cs.

Pay attention to cooldowns Why are you zoned? ask yourself that.

It's because the blit's q is up.

What can you do?

Nothing.

Oh wait, it's down now because he missed it. You now have 10 seconds to go ham af, go ham and YOU SHOW THEM WHO'S BOSS, YOU MISSED YOUR Q YOU CAN'T DO S** FIGHT ME FI- it's back up now, back off, you got your 5 cs, and calm down.

Vayne scales into late game, so for every CS you miss, be like Mr. Jotaro Joestar, make a little notebook, count all the times that laner has zoned you, annoyed you. and then late game, you are stronger, and you give everything back to him.

Just play to your strengths, and respect your enemies strengths, know your weaknesses, and know your enemies weaknesses.

Amelie10/23/2015, 2:29:24 PM1 votes

Just to add a bit more, if something like Sona is positioned at that blue circle as you say, go put yourself closer to your support so you are at an angle to stun her against a wall if she tries to poke you from that far up. Obviously not gonna work at level 1, but it should be possible by level 2+. Even if Sona/Annie used QW against you, guess what... it's on cooldown now. You can still chunk people pretty well if they mis-position or miss skillshots (like Blitz). You can also dodge Blitz hook with your Q and then fight him or the ADC if it's favorable.

If your support is bad enough to just afk in the bush, you can disregard almost everything I said. You will be farming under tower and have a hard time.

chipndip110/23/2015, 11:09:32 PM1 votes

If you're fighting Blitz: Dodge the hook, punish the adc WITH YOUR SUPPORT. If you concentrate your efforts harassing the enemy adc, you can sync up A LOT of damage onto them. If your support has a hook, when Blitz misses, they go in for their own. If Blitz hits, they go in with their own to disrupt the enemy adc's follow-up.

If you're fighting Sona: Any time she moves in to hit you, she should take a hit or two back. She's squishy and easy to destroy. If you beat her to level 2 go in and mess her whole day up. Without her level 2 she's gonna die extremely quickly since she doesn't have that extra 60-70 extra effective health. Adc needs to help you on this front.

If you're fighting Annie: This one is tricky and depends on character pick.

-If your support uses a hook, you gotta just burst her once or twice while her stun is DOWN. If she's low on health, she can't make big moves. Pulling her to you and getting a good combo off helps. If you can catch her in a position where her adc can't follow-up her damage, that's best. Blitz is probably the best hook to use vs. Annie. Make sure your support starts rushing that Aegis.

-If your support uses shields, you want to make her burn her stun on the shield. Do NOT let it hit you directly. Once it's down, you can harass much easier since she doesn't bring much utility to the lane. Make sure your support starts rushing that Aegis.

-If your support uses heals, they need to heal you right after you take a hit. Rush Aegis.

-If you as an adc has more range than Annie, poke her sometimes. She can't make big plays if she's gonna die. Same for most supports.

-If you as an adc have less range than Annie, you're probably a caster. Just let your support set up a good combo for you.

-If you have less range and you aren't a caster...this is gonna SUCK, but it's not impossible.