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Spellthief instead of Dorans Ring on AP mid?

Archon X··2 votes·1,163 views

I never mid so I wouldn't know, is it viable?

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LaoBushido3 votes

No because it has a really long cool down of not receiving gold on hit after you kill a minion

StoryDuck1 votes

It's a very greedy starting item. You don't get the better sustain nor the health. You can easily be punished for it. It is similar to buying item 3093 but for AP mages. You can get more gold out of it but it will not be easy as you are at a disadvantage in AP, HP and sustain. I would probably entertain buying it as a second item if you got FB and felt confident you could continue to win lane. I would not get as a first item in mid though. Doran Ring just adds too many stats to compete with at level 1.

Denims Wrath6661 votes

actually it is worth ish. the passive it gives is like an extra 15 true damage when fully stacked... so if you're roaming and find a fight early on that actually helps alot. it also pays for itself, and if its treated like your dorans item its the last item to go so can't go wrong with it. ill give an example... ezreal. you get this item on him mid, and you get to level 2. q, e, auto. the ratios on most abilities is actually less damage with the dorans ring compared to the passive of level 1 spell thief. remember though, dont bother upgrading it if its your start buy and you're not support.

StoryDuck1 votes

It's magic damage not true damage.

Denims Wrath6661 votes

item 3303 actually, it just says DAMAGE. so uh, yeah.

Denims Wrath6661 votes

also i was wrong on the amount of damage, its 10 each hit not 5... so yes, worth the damn buy. especially if you're gunna be going back to base early on then the mana regen it gives (lack of) wont be an issue

StoryDuck1 votes

Ah, my mistake. Its still not true damage though its "The damage type of the bonus damage will match the trigger" I always see magic damage though because I only buy it on AP supports.

Found Here

Doran adds +15 ap

Spellthief adds +5ap

I know you'll just say "But abilities don't use 100% AP" That is true but abilities don't become disabled when farming minions. Keep in mind that in the mid minions clash faster giving less time between waves to proc the passive extra gold. Now don't misunderstand, I'm not saying it is a totally bad item to get mid but it is very greedy. I would treat it like item 3093 and only buy it as a second item when ahead to help profit from your lead further.

Renaille1 votes

it used to be usable on ap trist, but really why would you? It gimps you and the gold doesn't add up that highly.

ShaftyMegee1 votes

It could work, because you get money from poking and cs; while you get mana regen and ap.

But Doran gives you more ap, and hp... so it's hard to say.

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