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Health Wu vs Lifesteal Wu, Pro Players Advise

GetMariahCarried·10/10/2015, 3:52:52 AM·2 votes·936 views

Well, in a duel between the two, I fully expect lifesteal/arpen/bork to win, but IN GENERAL: Which do you think is better in S5 for dueling OTHER champs, teamfights, etc. with all the new bruiser items? So here's the two SPECIFIC builds I'm referring to.

IN THE LEFT CORNER, WE HAVE

  • Merc's
  • Hydra
  • Last Whisper
  • Cleaver
  • Bork
  • Randuin's, Visage, or some tank, or trinity if you're feeling cocky

AND IN THE RIGHT CO- oh wait he's also in the left as well DANGIT WU QUIT CLONING

  • Merc's
  • Titanic (probably just build tiamat first and wait on titanic until you get a few more of the following)
  • Cleaver
  • Trinity Force
  • Sterack's
  • Randuin's, or Last Whisper if you're feeling cocky.

In either case, I lean heavily on Wu's passive along with scaling armor/mr/cdr runes to compensate for Wu's lack of fighter tank. The first build is a standard for me that usually produces ridiculous KDAs in lower elo/teambuild. I imagine at higher elos, team's are more juky and will compensate for more glass-cannony wukongs. But at least for most teams I come against, Wu's w is very strong.

The way I see it, Wu's w is very much a melee adc type juke/block maneuver to compensate for lack of tank (aka Yi's alpha strike, Trynd's ult). Hence, you can get away with a lot of glass cannon if you know how to rock that clone with a lot of cdr, which you can if you don't burn it on every freakin' engage, like I see a lot of wu players do. I imagine at higher elos, clone engages are almost essential to even get in range, but at lower elos, you'll have plenty of opportunities to smack people's face in anyway.

In regards to glass cannon though, for wu, unlike standard ad glass cannons, that doesn't mean crit, since his ult does a ton of damage, but basically requires about 4 seconds of uninterrupted non-auto-attacking (although his e's AS boost synergizes nicely with bork still.) Hence, the correct way to go for him is primarily ad and max arpen, not crit. So I generally rush tiamat, than last whisper (normally you wouldn't THINK an early LW is good, but even against squishies, it's generally equivalent to 20 flat arpen. I've seen some interesting spikes against squishies early the moment I finish it.)

I used to get trinity, not bork on the first build, but to be honest, I've found bork to be the missing piece in turning wu into a master duelist against really health-heavy champions he'd usually struggle against.

Now the LATTER build is one I've been experimenting with lately. Instead of using lifesteal and my passive to compensate for fighter tank, I go ahead and get all the health a fighter needs and then some (plus that handy sterak shield), but still lean on my passive heavily for remaining defenses. I don't have as much personal tank-busting from it, but I still have pretty much the same damage for all other scenarios, and the combination of titanic, trinity, and sterak make's for some BRUTAL q's on squishies.

Critiques? Suggestions? Anything interesting you've seen lately in pro builds as a side note? Has the massive synergy between health-ad items been utilized a lot lately, or is it seen as too health-heavy, not enough other defenses? I just love stacking all of them simultaneously... even if I then get melted in some scenarios as certain champs TT.

6 Comments

Brascus10/10/2015, 3:59:06 AM1 votes

Rammus

boosted frog10/11/2015, 4:22:45 AM1 votes

Hi hi fellow Wukong player

I find your BOTRK build interesting though as a wukong player, I feel that wukong's role is to try and deal the most possible damage with his ultimate and finish off weaker foes with his burst + hydra, and thus I believe its best if wukong revolves around a full high-AD build such as:

  • Ravenous Hydra
  • BF-Sword family (preferably IE)
  • Last Whisper
  • Black Cleaver (for more armor shred and CDR + CDR boots for ultimate spam)
  • CDR boots (to spam ult)
  • A defensive item (or if you're fed, which is very easy to do in low elo with Wukong, another BF-Sword family item)

This build makes the best use of his ultimate scaling but he lacks utility. With this build he's best to have ignite (to increase kill pressure = higher chances of being fed) and flash (to make up for his lack of utility item)

This build, of course is an ideal wukong build if you want to carry with him but its also risky

A wukong can be built as a utility champion with items such as (but not limited to):

  • Youmou Ghostblade
  • Righteous Glory
  • Solari
  • Deadman's plate
  • Black Cleaver

Because people mainly (or at least I do) play Ignite + Flash top lane Wukong, they build damage but since people now use a bunch of teleport, sacrificing flash for tp (since ignite imo is very important on wukong) means you have to build a utility item such as Glory or Ghostblade (for engages that requires flash E+R)

I'll most definitely try BOTRK Wukong some time soon as it sounds like another good way to play Wukong (since he can be played many different ways of course)

It's nice to see someone be very dedicated to Wukong every once and a while since Wukong was my first main (I played strictly played him when i was level 1 to level 30 in S4 because i was too stubborn and cheap to buy other champs. And plus, Wu Kong is one of my favorite childhood heroes lol)