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K54·Feb 20, 2015·1 votes·975 views

5 of the champions I have the most fun playing with are

Nothing is better than proc Q > E, get 3 to 5 hits then W out of there.
Proc his W > Q, get 2 - 3 hits , then E get out of there.
ABRACADABRA E > Q > Q > Q > then W out of there.
so many ways to engage, burst/kill and disengage, I don't really have a go to combo for him. Too many options.
R > W > you have many options here lol

Are there are any more champs like this or do I already have them all?

EDIT: These are champions who can instantly end up beside their target, do some damge and escape without taking damage. This because of deception.

This applies to LeBlanc, Kassadin. The key to their survival is a low CD ability that creates deception (clones, teleports, complete invisibility) and can go through walls. A simple speed boost or dash will not cut it against heavy CC in a team fight.

33 Comments

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

Yea, the rest of the assassins.

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

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Yea, the rest of the assassins.

Could you be more specific and give me an example. Also, Wukong isn't an assassin.

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

Please tell me more about how Wukong isn't an assassin, given that he favors short engages with an escape over dueling.

Rengar Zed Kassadin Diana Fiora

voila.

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

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Please tell me more about how Wukong isn't an assassin, given that he favors short engages with an escape over dueling.

voila.

I'll give you Zed Kassadin but it doesn't apply to Diana Fiora Rengar who have no escapes. Rengar gets a movement speed boost, but that's after his ult.

I use Wukong's W to escape. Evelynn's W to escape. Kha'zix's second E to escape (I can use his ult to escape if I don't get the kill), Akali's W has a lot of uses. I can either escape or give myself a few seconds to regain energy and decide who I want to attack next.

As for Wukong, he is not an assassin, without a doubt he melts people very quickly. But he's actually a DPS tank, not an assassin.

Wukong = DPS Assassin's Fizz Zed Akali Evelynn Khazix = burst damage

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

You realize you can build wukong as an assassin as well, right? You can build rengar as a bruiser or assassin. You can build fiora as a duelist or assassin. Diana, I prefer as an assassin. You don't need an escape when you can go in, do massive AoE damage and walk away virtually unharmed thanks to your W shields

Rengar has his ult to escape if need be Fiora has her parry/increased MS Diana has a large shield to cover her while she walks away TwistedFate Also an assassin.

An assassin's job is to take out a carry and deal as much damage as possible - not always necessarily get out

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

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You realize you can build wukong as an assassin as well, right? You can build rengar as a bruiser or assassin. You can build fiora as a duelist or assassin. Diana, I prefer as an assassin. You don't need an escape when you can go in, do massive AoE damage and walk away virtually unharmed thanks to your W shields

Rengar has his ult to escape if need be Fiora has her parry/increased MS Diana has a large shield to cover her while she walks away Also an assassin.

An assassin's job is to take out a carry and deal as much damage as possible - not always necessarily get out

I understand this completely. But I was speaking as early as level 3 in laning phase. The exceptions being Kassadin and Akali who can't gap close until level 6, though Akali can use her smoke screen over the minion waves to get close.

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

You don't always need a gap close to be considered an assassin.

again, TwistedFate The epitome of an old school AP assassin. Riven Katarina Fiora Fizz Akali Diana Evelynn Kassadin Kennen Khazix Leblanc LeeSin MasterYi Nidalee Nocturne Rengar Shaco Talon Yasuo Zed MonkeyKing

All effective as assassins. No assassin can 100-0 combo you at 3, ever.

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

Reread my post and show me anywhere where it remotely says I'm trying to assassinate a target. Is there a way to block you or delete your comments cause everything you've said is completely irrelvant to this post. If you look at the combos I mentioned, with the exception of Akali, none of them include an ult.

This is not about assassinating, this is being able to freely harass your lane opponent, counter jungler without too much consequence. The exception to this rule being Lee Sin.

All the champions you named are very vulnerable to being locked down by CC in a team fight. That's not what I want to happen. I do make it out. Yes, I can easily dive into 5 champions by myself with Diana and pick up a triple kill, maybe even a quadra or penta, point is, I don't have the option of disengaging, it's all in with her. I don't like that. 45 minutes into a game, I might just want to take out the ADC then return to base.

Anyways, you've gotten me completely off topic and ruined this post. Thank you.

Matthias9119Feb 20, 20151 votes

Generally the champions that have both strong engage and strong disengage (which seems to be what you are looking for) are assassins.

Some champs that weren't on your original list:

Ahri LeBlanc Lee Sin Shaco Talon Vayne(?) Yasuo Zed Elise (conditional, has to have a target to Rappel to) Quinn Rek'Sai Ezrael Kassadin Zilean (insane speed boosts/slows) Kalista

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

LeBlanc, yes Zed, yes Quinn, yes

the others, no!

I love Talon but his entire play style revolves around his ult.

I do well with Talon, but having to wait 50 seconds to engage is annoying. Same with Ahri Shaco

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

Not only are you cute when you're mad, you're also a complete idiot.

again, you want free escapes after an engage: Irelia Khazix Talon Rengar Shaco Riven Kassadin TwistedFate Zed

Advice for you, don't ask so vaguely for help then shoot down anyone who tries to help you.

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

Let me dumb this down further.

You're somewhere on summoner's rift. You have 15% health, your target has 60% health, 2 enemies with ranged heavy CC 900 units away. You have to kill your enemy then, then escape. Irelia can't do that, Talon can't do that (unless he kills while he blades are going out). Rengar can't do that, he just gets a speed boost. He will be stopped in his tracks.

To reiterate for the 1000th time. This works for Wukong but the CC will hit your clone, if it's lock on CC like Ryze even after it hits you, they'll end up attacking the clone.

Shaco, Twisted Fate, Rengar, Riven all die in that situation. Especially if the CC is point and click like Ryze or Malzahar

Does this make sense to you or you're still not understanding? Quite honestly, Even Evelynn may die in this situation if her passive doesn't let her slip through. Akali has to wait inside her smokescreen and weigh her options.

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

Why are you engaging with 15% health on a target with 60? Nearly every champ has CC if they aren't an assassin, why would you even bother? You'll get CCd and melted.

Unfortunately, anyone out of your Bronze V tier of play knows how to play against a wukong and understands his combos - therefore won't blow CC after he's already attacked you but will do so before he gets to you.

Irelia can, however, gap close (q) stun you (higher % health, e) regen health with true damage (w), and get the hell out again (q to minion)

Maybe you don't understand that concept.

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

Comment again to make yourself look dumber. You just want attention. We all see you. Now leave.

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

You're mad because you're stuck in the absolute lowest tier of play and don't understand champion kits.

That's okay, though you should probably learn to accept help.

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

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You don't always need a gap close to be considered an assassin.

again, The epitome of an old school AP assassin.

All effective as assassins. No assassin can 100-0 combo you at 3, ever.

Every one of those champs has a gap closer except Kennen and Evelynn. Rengar and Shaco even go completely unnoticed when they close the gap.

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

TF - doesn't have a gap closer.

Riven - Doesn't have a gap close (unless you're really so dull as to use E to gap close rather than escape, which isn't the brightest of moves)

Nidalee - requires pounce, will not gap close on 100% health.

Evelynn - doesn't have a gap close, has a slow and MS boost.

Kennen - massive MS boost

Rengar - requires a bush for gap close or blowing his ult (would not use it to initiate a fight)

Shaco - Q revealed by item 2043

Notice how a mass majority of these also have no escape? Yeah, that's a thing.

Need I go on?

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

I'm very familiar with Diana, but her playstyle is still not fit.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/50791689?champion=131

Let me dumb this down. These assassins have gap closers and escapes that can save them from CC. Hard CC hits MonkeyKing 's clone.

Even if you do hit Akali , you still won't be able to maximize damage cause you can't see her. Her smoke screen is large enough to stay inside and dodge Lux 's ult and stand outside of of Morgana 's tormented soil.

Khazix jumps away or goes invisible. Kassadin rift walks. Zed shadows away lol 70% move speed boost for Evelynn who disappears from sight after she gains a little distance. Keep in mind her enemies will also be afflicted with a 70% slow debuff.

Diana, even with her shield can still be a victim or Maokai 's root or Taric 's stun.

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

What the hell tier of wood are you that anyone expends CC on Wukong's clone? He can't move his damn clone, it's obvious when it's used.

Katarina ult /w > Akali W.

You listed 5 assassin style champions, asked for similar play style. I gave you similar play style, you argue. Just because you're being a halfwit doesn't make you right.

You want free escapes? play Zed Fizz Rengar Khazix Riven Irelia Shaco Talon TwistedFate

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 20, 20152 votes

Wait for skillshot CC, then use Decoy to block it. It's amazing. And most people will hit the decoy at least once, anyway.

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

Once or twice in a game, sure. They aren't going to spam CC on the clone forever. Alistar hiiii, no skillshots, equally effective as a top laner.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 20, 20151 votes

If they start being more careful with CC, then just start pressing S instead. Wukong is all about the mind games :)

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

He really is, and why people don't understand how easily it is to manipulate him into playing the mind games that you want him to, I'll never understand. He's only as effective as you let him be.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 20, 20151 votes

Wukong is totally an assassin =P One of the sneakiest champs in the game, great potential for outplays, and pretty good burst damage.

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

You guys have no idea what really makes an assassin an assassin. Do you know thar RIOT labels their champions based off of how their stats scale with items, as well as level 18 base stats?

Wukong should be ArPen with defensive items. They way I judge the legitimacy of my Wukong is if I E > Q > R into a team fight, can he survive the full duration of his R and put out damage. This is how I get my pentakills. You'll never get a penta with a glass cannon Wukong against a meta team. I admit, I have class cannoned a lot when I notice enemy team has 0 armor. That's it though.

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

Okay mister Bronze 5. We'll pretend you understand anything.

Yasuo - listed as primary fighter, more effective used as an assassin. Malzahar - listed as a secondary assassin, deals very little burst damage in comparison to other "assassins." TF - not listed as an assassin at all, yet is one of the original champs to be used as one.

Let's keep in mind, you're getting advice from two people that are ranked a fair bit higher than you are - hell, you could get advice from a squirrel and you should consider it. At your tier of play, you should be grateful for any and all help.

If you knew everything, as you act like you do, you'd be challenger and on a professional team- however you're in bronze 5 with a 43% win rate. We ALL have something to learn.

I'm sitting between high plat and low diamond on two accounts because of my decision making skills, they need major work. As does my target prioritization in early team fights.

Funky how you're also trying to defend a point that you yourself have gone against (go ahead, look up your match history where yesterday you built zero defensives on a Wu-kong and used him, not surprisingly, with mild success)

Let's not forget your ranked game as Riven with an astonishingly low 3.7CS per minute, didn't even finish your boots and instead opted to finish Maw of Malmortius which should've been your last upgrade from a Hexdrinker.

If you'd like, I can go on. However, I won't out of sheer respect for my keyboard.

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

Waiting for you to be remotely relevant. I'm a better player than you 10x over. You'll never compare to me on your best day. Furthermore, you level of stupidity is beyond help, your problems are in the real world clearly, glad this game helps you escape.

This post says, "I like to play with Spalding basketballs. They are leather, rubber, etc, inside, outside, hybrid. This is my preference, can you recommend something similiar."

A smart person says, "NCAA balls are awesome too, they do the same thing, made of same material, etc."

Then you come along and say, "Nerf footballs can be thrown, too. It's not about the champion, its' about how you use them. Screw your preference, I'm right, you're wrong. Throw away the Spalding, get a NERF football."

Please make yourself look like more of a donkey.

MrPerson10Feb 20, 20151 votes

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I'm a better player than you 10x over. You'll never compare to me on your best day.

Maybe you don't understand.

Bronze V < everything else.

Platinum I > Bronze V by a long shot.

I'll let you think about that.

Let me know when you'd like to 1v1.

The ChinFeb 20, 20151 votes

Most people are suggesting other bruisers or mages so here's some supports you'd probably enjoy

Leona Blitzcrank > do your biz and YOU'RE OUTTA THERE

ADC Graves Lucian > do a skill rotation and YOU'RE OUTTA THERE

BurgurduraFeb 20, 20151 votes

Trundle

You just Auto > Q then use your other two abilities to let you whack your opponent mercilessly. You can also save one to improve your escape by either speeding you up or slowing/blocking a threat.

K54Feb 20, 20151 votes

YOU SIR! ARE AMAZING! TRUNDLE IS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY FAVORITES!

Can't believe I forgot about him. I think I'll play a match with him right now actually.

DivewingFeb 20, 20151 votes

So basically you want to play an assassin that has the option of gtfo-ing in every circumstance without needing to commit? This is why we have stupid assassins. To answer your question, you have them all except Zed and LeBlanc. Moving on: "A simple speed boost or dash will not cut it against heavy CC in a team fight." THIS SHOULD SUFFICE, IF YOU GET CAUGHT BY CC IN A TEAMFIGHT THAT IS YOUR FAULT FOR POOR POSITIONING AND/OR TEAMFIGHTING, YOU DESERVE TO DIE FOR IT. Personally i feel you should be forced to learn how to play a champion like Talon to perfection in a teamfight before picking up the others, if this is your attitude.

You would rather not have to care about how and when you engage because you know that even if the fight turns to s***, you will get out, that is sickening. This is a strategy game, and you are literally looking for the champions that make one of the most important strategic essences of said game redundant.