AP Sona mid

Archon X·Sep 16, 2015·3 votes·1,590 views

Is it viable?

31 Comments

IcyPepperSep 16, 20152 votes

Depends on the match-up, the team comp, and the enemy team comp.

AP Sona brings the hurt with her Q aa lichbane combo, and her W lichbane helps win trades. Problem is getting into aa range first. If someone sees your passive up, they're probably going to make sure to either zone or poke you before you get into aa range to discourage it, or at least win the trade.

Sona excels in late-game teamfights, and full AP will mean decent shields and damage.

Problem is this:

Sona has assloads of synergy with support items. item 3504 item 3190 item 3222 item 3092 item 3050 are all really good on her. Building full AP on her benefits her ratios, but doesn't benefit her team overall as much. Sona is the aura mage, and she gets a bang out of her buck with a lot of support items. Playing her sheerly for burst is like building an ADC full AD but no attack speed. Sure, it's damage-y, but it's not always the best thing.

You can also play utility mages midlane instead too.

So is it competitively viable? Probably... not all that much. Maybe a comfort pocket pick, kind of like Poppy in the LCS.

Is it viable enough to try? Go have fun, don't see why you shouldn't. "Supports can do more than support," you know.

KotexSep 16, 20153 votes

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Is it viable enough to try? Go have fun, don't see why you shouldn't. "Supports can do more than support," you know.

I was raged at for trying to play Solo lane Lulu before. "This is why supports should never solo lane" is what they told me because i did happen to be bested by my opponent. But that statement was said in an aspect of "I know the game better than you" when if that were the case they would be aware of the viability that solo lulu has had for nearly two years. BUT i lost at that particular time so no one cared.

Sadly a lot of people mostly judge viability on winning or losing. If you win, its viable, if you lose it isn't and should never be considered again.

Oh for the record i was just expanding on the conversation with a cool story lol.

IcyPepperSep 16, 20154 votes

Sadly a lot of people mostly judge viability on winning or losing. If you win, its viable, if you lose it isn't and should never be considered again.

But only if it's not meta.

Remember, you can lose 50 games with meta picks and it's okay. You can win 50 games with a non-meta pick, but it's only the one time you lose that will set people off.

Or that's how it feels sometimes ;~;

Ah, I remember how I had a few games as Morgana jungle to prove it was viable and I could do it, but my friends were meanie heads and wouldn't let me. I guess it's a good thing I'm not a part of that group anymore, since they were kind of jerks.

colesySep 16, 20151 votes

right, they're jerks because they don't want someone to run a completely retarded pick.

yeah, fuck them for not wanting to deal with a troll pick, what scumbags.

IcyPepperSep 16, 20151 votes

Off meta doesn't necessarily mean troll pick or "completely retarded" pick, though.

There's a difference between ADC Singed and AP Miss Fortune.

As for my friends, they were jerks because of how they went about it :V I've tested jungle Morgana, and other people have too. It's a little better than "completely retarded," but it's not quite up to par with meta. Gotta keep in mind that this is also a game, and you don't have to tryhard in normals.

Also, quick tip: just because you don't like something or have the same opinion doesn't quite make it "troll" or "completely retarded." The only one who looks like an ass is you when you say that.

colesySep 16, 20151 votes

it's nothing to do with off-meta. jungle morgana is literally just so completely whack and out there that it isn't in any sort of meta and probably never will be. you're basically telling your friends "there's no reason for you to believe this works besides me saying so and despite everything about this champion telling you it probably won't work in jungle, but please bear with me".

it's nothing to do with tryharding, it's to do with playing normals in league to have fun, and people running ridiculous picks isn't fun at all. it's like if I were to play clarity/clairvoyance teemo in someone's game and say "hey man it's just a normal". yeah, no, it's stupid.

5000000000000000Sep 16, 20151 votes

Morgana jungle works because her passive spellvamp lets her sustain (it also works with smite). Ganking works well if you land the snare. Her early clear isn't the best (like pretty much all other off-meta junglers), but it isn't horrible.

So it's not "completely whack and out there." It's decent on paper, and people have done it before.

IcyPepperSep 16, 20151 votes

Not to mention that in some lane matchups, the spellshield can help your ally (especially midlaners) survive an all-in.

colesySep 16, 20151 votes

right, if you land the snare. except you know, you have no dashes and it's a slow moving projectile.

5000000000000000Sep 16, 20151 votes

I didn't say she was the best ganker. She has good potential, and she can farm decently. There are better junglers, but Morgana can jungle decently.

Faith BreakerSep 16, 20151 votes

Outside landing her Ulti Shyvana has no CC yet she's a viable meta jungler. Your point by the way. You don't have one anymore.

IcyPepperSep 16, 20151 votes

"there's no reason for you to believe this works besides me saying so and despite everything about this champion telling you it probably won't work in jungle, but please bear with me".

Actually I had a few matches under my belt to show that I had at least tried it first and liked what I saw (as a jungle main), and since we're friends playing normals I figured it would be okay to have fun and not try hard like it's a ranked game.

Chill.

colesySep 16, 20151 votes

Look at you thinking your definition of fun counts for more than theirs, lol. my trollpick is ok because it's fun, my friends just don't know how to have fun.

and how does you being a jungle main matter when you're silver lmao.

IcyPepperSep 16, 20151 votes

Well I didn't pick it because I'm considerate, but I would have liked to. And it's not a trollpick if it works, you know.

And this is a discussion about having fun in normals, not what's competitively viable in ranked. My rank has absolutely nothing to do with what I do on my fun time... please don't be one of those people who bring up rank when they have nothing better to say. I don't recall having to be challenjour to enjoy a video game.

EwokSoldierSep 16, 20151 votes

Jungle Heimer Troll or no? Heimer OP

Faith BreakerSep 16, 20151 votes

If Zyra can jungle with her plants (well actually post lvl2) why can't Heimroid?

EwokSoldierSep 16, 20151 votes

Lol It was a rhetorical question. Click the link and you can see Jungle Heimerdinger can work. So can jungle Morgana from my other comment somewhere on this page ;)

Faith BreakerSep 16, 20151 votes

Look at you racking up offensive reports in a single thread.

EwokSoldierSep 16, 20151 votes

I have run jungle Morgana in high plat elo it's actually really strong and have won 3 games and lost 2 overall her strong af ganks.

She can actually clear pretty well if you know how to reset camps to take less dmg

As a jungle main Ive done plenty of off meta whack picks

I even did heimer jungle 4v5 and carried I can link the match if you don't believe me.

A lot of jungling isn't even being good mechanically. It's just game knowledge and understanding rotations and power spikes.

morgana match history scroll down to the last 5 ranked morg matches with smite did fairly well except in one loss where the solo lanes got destroyed and i was invaded a ton

Faith BreakerSep 16, 20151 votes

People like you are what ruin this game, not Jungle Morgana or support Galio or AD Zac

EwokSoldierSep 17, 20151 votes

there is a difference between off meta and troll pick. Volibear support is off meta you may never see it in pro play but it is actually viable if you can get a lead in lane. He is good at catching out enemy players during rotations but he lacks in good peel like most good supports like janna.

Voli provides more tools to catch an enemy and alot of innate base damage, while janna provides more protection but less tools and tankiness.

Either way you sacrifice one strong suit to gain a different type of influence on the game. Same can be said about any champion going to any position.

Jungle morgana for example can actually be very viable but also has some weaknesses just like any other jungler same as junglers in meta. Just because it is off meta does not mean it is troll. Things such as Alistar Blitzcrank Braum old Gangplank Heimerdinger Irelia Jax Jayce Karthus Kassadin Kayle Malzahar Morgana Nasus Poppy Renekton Riven AP Shaco Singed TahmKench TwistedFate Twitch Urgot Vayne Yasuo Yorick Zyra I have had success with personally (most of what I listed) or a few I've seen and been impressed by others who have used them and did amazing in mid plat to low diamond elo in my RANKED games.

Each champion brings something to the table and they can fit into a well balanced team comp.

Faith BreakerSep 16, 20151 votes

Why such hateful, blatant toxicity?

SnugglePuggle94Sep 16, 20151 votes

I've done solo Lulu mid lane, and first time I was against a Zed. Lucky for me, he was not very good and would come up to harrass me and took a ton of turret shots, so along with my Q, I was able to flash and ignite for the first blood kill, and multiple kills after as he would stay in lane with low health. She's fun as a solo laner but just like Sona, you need to take her into certain matchups that she can do well. And yea, mostly people will flame at you for not going the meta, as she's seen as a support.

Don't listen to them. Do what you want. I play Zyra mid, and a lot wonder why I'm not playing support. I shut them up by wrecking my opponent. I've beaten many mid laners, such as Ekko, Zed, Kat, and lately Ahri with Zyra.

CatastropSep 16, 20151 votes

Wow that sounds like a clueless bunch. Lulu can practically go anywhere and still be viable.

GodarenSep 16, 20151 votes

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I was raged at for trying to play Solo lane Lulu before. "This is why supports should never solo lane" is what they told me because i did happen to be bested by my opponent. But that statement was said in an aspect of "I know the game better than you" when if that were the case they would be aware of the viability that solo lulu has had for nearly two years. BUT i lost at that particular time so no one cared.

Sadly a lot of people mostly judge viability on winning or losing. If you win, its viable, if you lose it isn't and should never be considered again.

Oh for the record i was just expanding on the conversation with a cool story lol.

Lulu's very situational, I think she works great with a hyper carry adc or master yi but probably not when you have no hyper carries.

innermethodSep 16, 20152 votes

YES!!!! I am completely a fan of AP mid Sona. I main Sona support, and most games I have to actively try to not ks my carry (though it does happen quite often). Going AP mid, I can let her true power loose with damage items and not feel guilty. And it is insanely fun to let her hair down, so to speak. And I like that her best support features are not wasted since in late game everyone is all bunched up anyway for teamfights, making her one of the most useful mids to have on the team.

Of course, there are drawbacks to her in a solo lane, like her wave clear is almost non-existent, and certain champs I will lose a trade to almost every time I step up. But I feel every role in any lane has challenges and counters, so... ~~shrugs~~

Oh also, a mid Sona will shut a Kat down. SHUT A KAT DAOOOOOWN.