im looking for tips on playing against a cait, shes just so obnoxious during laning phase. i know the basic ones like dodge her poke but if any of you could share more advanced tips it would be warmly welcomed, particularly with a draven matchup. maybe cheese strats or anything, i always struggle against her.
also on a side note i dont play adc much and im a really new draven player so i would really appriciate good help! :)
HitYouInTheFace2 votesFrom what I see below in the comments, a suggestion was to get your jungler to gank since she is an ADC that relies on pushing and outfarming/getting the tower to win her early vs an opponent. Here are my suggestions for what YOU can do in lane to beat a Caitlyn:
Note: I often to Jinx to counter Caitlyn, but here is an important factor! I dont play jinx to beat Cait in lane due to her having more mobility - I play jinx in lane to be sure I can farm even w/ Cait's range and that I can have the strength to react if my support makes a play
Choose a champion who can close the range gap: Lucian, Tristana, or Corki are good choices. Beat range by having more mobility than your opponent! She can't out-poke you when you get in her face and let her have it right back. Just be sure your positioned correctly so the enemy support cant immediately negate your damage/cc you. As noted before, WAIT FOR COOLDOWNS TO BE ON!
Wait patiently and farm under the tower: If Caitlyn is absolutely wrecking you in lane no matter what you try, commit to staying behind the tower and attempting to land EVERY. SINGLE. CREEP. 1 kill = ~18 CS (this is definitely not set in stone, more of a simple guideline for players). If you outfarm her or at least stay even, she wont have a huge lead. You can outscale a Caitlyn late game with almost any ADC and she can always be outplayed once you are full power :D
Let me know if you have any questions. I dont claim to be good at ADC, but it is my favorite role to play and I know the pain of going VS a good Caitlyn.
MOST IMPORTANT ADVICE: WATCH YOUR ENEMIES COOLDOWNS AND IF ALL ELSE FAILS, FARM FROM SAFETY.
As far as Draven match-up is concerned, perhaps the best best is too play with a Thresh support or someone else with hard cc/engage. You want to dish out your dmg while your support locks Cait down. I like Draven, but he is not the best choice VS Cait.
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The Chin2 votesOk, here's how I win against 
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Never be in range of auto's, you don't want to take any free poke.
But you want to use your Q, which bounces off minions, aim it at her ranged minions and you can poke her for free. It only takes like 3 shots to get her to half health. Then you can play aggressively, either all in her or zone her out of creeps. Every time she tries to get some CS fight her.
That's how you win lane, then just by the natural power spikes of the champs you'll have a much stronger mid game than cait.
However if it gets to the 5-6 item stage of the game, I'd give the edge to , so try and build a huge lead in the mid game, and end it asap
Gigahappytown1 votesOk, here's how I win against
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Never be in range of
But you want to use your Q, which bounces off minions, aim it at her ranged minions and you can poke her for free. It only takes like 3 shots to get her to half health. Then you can play aggressively, either all in her or zone her out of creeps. Every time she tries to get some CS fight her.
That's how you win lane, then just by the natural power spikes of the champs you'll have a much stronger mid game than cait.
However if it gets to the 5-6 item stage of the game, I'd give the edge to
or yah know braum miss fortune combo massively out dps caitylyn and block all counter attacks
Gigahappytown1 votesHeres one outscale her She falls off like a brick her strength is to keep the enemy adc behind then end the game early before they catch up playing passive in lane as caitlyn is NOT a option use that to your advantage
Raith Alghul2 votesShe doesn't fall off like anything, she has 4% attack speed per level which is the highest of any ADC and average base attack speed and damage scaling, her long range and literal safety net mean with the right team comp she can consider forgoing a defensive item in certain situations. Her reliance on auto attacks as her main damage source and passive steroid mean that she has a 100% up time on her late game damage output so she will be doing her maximum damage at all times without relying on active abilities like Graves or Tristana. Her traps and Q are amazing for turret siege situations as well.
If you want to deal with Caitlyn you do have a few options, you can try out scaling her with certain champions, Draven and Vayne can both outdamage her late game due to their massive damage steroids, though Vayne has trouble in lane vs Cait and Draven takes better mechanics than most ADC to manage axes. Sivir is another solid choice as her kit offers quite a bit to help deal with Caitlyns, boomerang blade offers long range harass and decent damage, fleet of foot allows you to kite her effectively and keeps her from range leashing you, ricochet allows you to harass her and keep her from pushing the wave at the same time, you can use spell shield early game to clear traps for free mana and late game can be used to block her ult. On the hunt can allow your team to rush down Caitlyn before or during a team fight and either kill her or taker her out of the fight. A Jinx Leona lane can have a lot of success vs Cait, Jinx outranges her at level 9 with her rockets, can puch vs her with her splash damage, and Cait has no real answer for the amount of CC that this lane provides. Some good ADC/Support combos: Draven/Leona, Graves/Taric, Sivir/Kayle, Galio/Kalista, Rengar/Nidalee, Riven/Orianna, even Yasuo/Janna if you play it right.
You could also consider a lane swap/kill lane to deal with her, sending a safe laner like Karthus while your ADC and support go top can be an option especially if you are playing Vayne and actually out damage her, alternatively you could swap out just the ADC and top laner depending on the matchup, sending a Vayne top vs a renekton while running a leona pantheon bot lane can both allow your ADC to farm pretty easily and keep the enemy ADC behind not only in gold but also levels. You could also consider asking your mid laner to lane swap for a double AP lane with certain supports, Lux/Morgana for example can be brutal for an ADC to deal with while certain mid matchups can be favorable to an ADC, Lucian and Ezreal can both mid quite well. If that isn't an option you could even run a jungle ADC, Twitch is probably the most common but with the changes to hunters machete that added a DOT effect you can now kite the jungle mobs quite effectively with just about any ADC, I would personally recommend jinx as a jungler since she can clear fairly will with rockets early on and her attack speed helps her kite mobs without taking much damage, just don't attempt the gromp on first clear. Also skirmishers saber into devourer on an ADC is amazing. Some other kill lanes that can work: Leona/Jarvan, Leona/Pantheon, Elise/Annie, Darius/Sion. Some safe 1v2 laners that can work: Yorick, Karthus, Shen, Ziggs, Heimerdinger, Xerath, proxy Singed.
In terms of dealing with Caitlyn in lane keep an eye on her passive stacks and be out of range when it is up, depending on the difference in range you may be able to use dashes to either get into range to retaliate after poke or get from your adc range to outside of her range after a successful trade. If you have an early ganking jungler consider calling for a gank as Caitlyn will tend to be extended quite far into the lane but make sure you clear as much of the incoming minion wave as possible before initiating. As a support clear her traps when it is safe to do so, Morgana is great at this due to her shield and she can sustain and counter push with tormented soil and her passive.
There are also a few champions that outrange her at certain parts of the game or with certain abilities active, these are Twitch(with ult), Kog'Maw(with level 3-5 W), Tristana(level 13+), Jinx(With Q on fishbones level 3-5). Varus can also outrange everything Cait has with his Q.
Gigahappytown1 votesRengar/Nidalee, Riven/Orianna, even **Yasuo/Janna **if you play it right. ADC/Support combos ADC
HOT DIGGIDY DAMN MELEE CARRYS GOING BOT IS A THING NOW? WHY HAS NO ONE TOLD ME THIS!
FiendOfOne1 votesCait will push the lane up. Pretty much always. She is going to try and get some poke, and in doing so, wipe down your minion wave. That's fine, let her. Let her push the wave up. Let her overextend. As has already been stated, she has to be aggressive and win early. Call in your jungler to gank when she overextends, come back into lane behind her, etc.
Also, as Draven, keep in mind that your spinning axes landing point is telegraphed, so watch for her to try and use that and hit you. Don't let her get the free damage (especially since you can see her about to throw down her big poke).
Grimspeake1 votesso basically your telling me dont be afraid to trade or take hits for cs? what i gather from this is that i need a sustain support? just asking to make sure man :)
thx for the input too its much appriciated :D
Grimspeake1 votes@fiend should i not use my spinning axes for cs and maybe just save them for trades?
FiendOfOne2 votesWell, generally you want to try and keep both spinning axes up by catching them, but since it's telegraphed and you can't hide behind minions for Cait, sometimes you will have to give that up.
Also, as was mentioned - a hard engage support (Leona, Thresh, to a lesser extent Blitz) will do wonders for you with Draven vs. Cait. Draven is going to excel in a close up fight between them, since he can get his spinning axes going, use Stand Aside to keep them in range longer, etc. Cait relies on that long range poke to keep her opponents unable to really engage her.
My point was in lane, on your own, don't let her get free damage. If you're going to get harassed, make sure you harass back. If you can't do that, then play safe. Farm under tower. Keep your distance, dodge her poke. Don't try to beat her in lane, just try to keep your farm going. You'll outscale her.
Grimspeake1 votesi love you man, that was a great response and i appriciate the effort you put into it just to help me! +1
Grimspeake1 votesword bro much appriciated with the advice, i look foward to utilizing it the best i can! +1 man
ujf2qEqxi91 votesGrimspeake1 votesthe first champion i ever bought (with the 400rp riot gives you) was mf when she was on sale, gotta say i did love playing her but i eventually refunded her to get someone else and play a different lane. im a huge MF fan and i kinda wish more people played her, i think shes actually a really strong pick if played properly but then again i havent played her in a dogs age but ill consider your advice man, thanks for the input +1
MattAkhavan1 votesCait is weak against all ins. Other than that you need to prevent being hit by autos and doding her spells.
Grimspeake1 votesthanks raith i appriciate all the time and effort u spent into that and i will try out some of the forementioned ideas you have brought forth, once again i appriciate the help and +1 :)
FantasySniper1 votesDon't try to trade with her, because you won't be able to walk out of her range without taking one too many hits. Just AA back whenever you can, especially when she's using her AA on a minion.
Push hard into her tower and dodge the resulting [Q] poke. Her wave clear isn't reliable and she ends up dropping everything in hopes of pushing you away. She'll go OoM pretty quick, and all you have to do is not step on traps. While she's focused on not missing out on CS, she can't poke you and either will be forced to back or try an all-in with her support. Never let her push to your tower, because her range is crazy good for free poke.
She's pretty safe because of her [E], so all-in situations have to be decided from the get-go. Risky tower dives are almost never an option because of how well she can kite you, not to mention what peels she'll get from her support.
As Draven, you can out-pace her pretty well, so try to force extended trades, if not all-ins, when she tries something. Use [W] to dodge incoming projectiles and get a lead so you can keep up when she uses her net.
Darkwind1 votesA lot of people have put a lot of thought into a lot of replies. Really though, beating caitlyn in lane comes down to not taking too much harass and getting a good engage on her asap. Her harass is really good in lane but her all in is pretty meh, so pair up with an aggro supp, survive a level or two and see if you can get an all in. If not you just have to really watch your positioning and hers and be willing to give up a creep or two if you would take too much harass for it. If you can, take krugs/gromp lvl 1 @ 1:55 with a tanky support that has lots of hp pots to hit lvl 2 first. that alone will win you a lot of lanes.