How the fuk do you play against Veigar?

LaserDeathBlade·Nov 5, 2014·2 votes·4,641 views

Thank god this champ's actually not popular because he's probably one of the few champions I have no idea how to play against as any role.

He can usually always insta-gib my squishies and if he's even a little ahead can insta-gib tanks as well. It's hard for me to go in on him as an initiator because his big-ass stun is like the entire width of the lane, and even if I manage to get to him, my team's probably way too scared to go in until his big-ass circle is down and by then I'm probably dead.

It's even harder for me to play against him as a carry again because his big ass stun is gigantic. And of course if you get CC'd you get gibbed.

I know people be like "he's so weak if he doesn't land the stun on the edge", but honestly if he just puts the big-ass circle over anyone, what are you supposed to do? Sit around in it and wait for his team to kill you or just walk into the back wall and die anyway?...

He also has like pretty decent waveclear and is relatively hard to gank because again, he has his big-ass circle and builds everyone's favorite item, Zhonyas Whoreglass.

Can't effectively push against him because if he lands 1 big-ass circle, someone dies. Can't really split push either, because some nigga's always going to get caught by his big-ass circle and gibbed.

Edit: I don't play mid very often. I know there's ways you can kinda shut him down in lane, but I'm asking more about how you play against him as a team once laning phase is over.

18 Comments

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RiotRiot MechaMooseNov 6, 20145 votes

I play Veigar sometimes, and a champion that can range harass me early is my worst nightmare. Even with his passive, Veigar is very mana hungry early on. If he wants to farm his Q (And he does!), he's going to want to save his mana to cast baleful strike for last hits. Poke and harass him when he goes in for those last hits, and force him to either back off, or expend that precious mana trying to harass you back.

Basically, force him to make choices he doesn't want to make. Instead of "Q and get a last hit!", make his choices "Q and get a last hit, but take a bunch of damage for it", and "Q my opponent in the hopes that they'll back off". Neither of those two choices are good sustainable options for Veigar pre-6.

EndlessSorcererNov 7, 20141 votes

I'm not sure about that. I've seen several Veigar players recommend harassing with your Q early and to focus on farming it when you have a few levels in it and the Fiendish Codex for the reduced cooldown. That advice may have been for laning against melee assassins though.

Anyways, Abyssal Scepter is a good first purchase against Veigar if your champion can work well with it. You get MR to reduce his burst, less AP so his ultimate is weaker, and Magic Resist Reduction to keep your overall damage similar to a larger AP item.

The ChinNov 5, 20142 votes

Funny you posted this. I JUST finished a game vs veiger, I was playing Zilean

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1619982201/210685423?tab=overview

Both our champs have very little counter play, so we just repeatedly killed each other in lane

I had 3 kills before 10 minutes...

There's really not much to do but try and bait out the stun and hope you're outside the circle... Such a bs champ

NinjavillaNov 5, 20141 votes

For me, the biggest point is level 6 and understanding his burst and cd's. Assuming you are playing another mage vs veigar and go chalice first, if you can get item 3028 pre-6 you will survive his full combo. At this point he has nothing and if you can survive one more q, go in hard. His q will be back up in about 3 seconds true, but his other spells will be on cd so he has no stun or other large burst. Take advantage of every missed stun and his relatively long cd's. If you do get behind, make sure you have enough mr to survive his combo or roam hard and take small jungle camps.

LaserDeathBladeNov 5, 20141 votes

I usually don't play mid, but it seems like most Veigars are perfectly content sitting in lane and farming Q even if they don't get a kill

vortical42Nov 5, 20143 votes

You are correct on that. Veigar is just like Nasus, if you just sit back and let him farm you loose. If you want to beat him you have to exploit his weaknesses. Veigar has no mobility and he is super squishy. Assassins will demolish him, especially anyone who can bypass event horizon (Fizzssss... we hates him forever :( ).

NinjavillaNov 5, 20141 votes

Then push lane in like you would against a Nasus, the speed that the turret takes down creeps reduces the amount of creeps he can farm with his Q.

TiropatNov 6, 20141 votes

No. When I play veigar i prefer when they push me under tower because early game no one can dive me so I can safely hit 6 and start gibbing people.

HeadHonchkrowNov 5, 20141 votes

I can't tell you lol ~~Yasuo~~

CLG FactorNov 5, 20141 votes

I crushed him with leblanc........... then he roamed bot

Rustling BushNov 5, 20141 votes

don't be a mage and hope hes not competent. also i hear fizz counters veigar. not sure.

HeadHonchkrowNov 5, 20141 votes

don't be a mage and hope hes not competent. also i hear fizz counters veigar. not sure.

Be sure

Zok72Nov 6, 20141 votes

One of the core problems with Veigar is his inherently low counterplay. I love playing him, but when he's ahead he's completely oppressive. I find as a veiger player that I struggle most against aggressive early laners. If you can force veigar out of lane or kill him a couple of times early he has a very minimal fallback pattern and will usually just end up useless in the mid-late game. Also, banshee's veil helps a lot because his stun when used properly has a much longer range than any of his skills. Furthermore, an early mercury tread rush can catch a veigar off guard if they only put 1 point into their stun cage.